Lost the last one, Boro chance to put it right

[boltonboris]

He skinned that full back numerous times in the first half before he swapped at HT

He's all fart and no dump.

[wigan white]

He skinned that full back numerous times in the first half before he swapped at HT

But then what did he do with it? Dont get me wrong, I like Chungy and I think he could be a very good player but somethings not right with him. There's no end product with him anymore and I don't recall him skinning the fullbacks on numerous occasions yesterday. The only time I can recall him beating a man was when their defensive mistake put him clean through against their keeper and he delayed that long that he ended up playing a poor pass to Spearing that he hit over the bar.

Actually Klansnicks has put it far better

[StaffsTrotter]

Yeah. Cross the ball into that empty box for the defenders to clear.

Chungy was one of our positives yesterday. always looking for the ball, probing inside and retained possession as well as anybody else.

I'd agree that he retains possession, but I'm afraid there is absolutely no threat with the lad. Its not a case of just throwing the ball in its about occupying and taking on the opponents full back and he just doesn't do it. There was a perfect illustration yesterday in the 2nd half when chungy managed to knock it past the FB and looked like he would be in, but the lad quite easily matched chungy for pace and muscled him off the ball. More often than not he receives the ball and either doubles back or cuts inside, all in front of the opposition. He had a good chance to let fly in the 1st half but hesistated and the chance went

seriously does he make you get on the edge of your seat when he gets the ball. the feeney loan illustrated the difference it can make having a wide player who can stretch and turn around the opposition

^100% with you on this. Chungy just wont take anybody on. As you said, time after time he cuts inside and narrows the game too much. He's soo undecided with what to do when he has the ball, that when he does decide to pass/shoot the defenders have had time to cover him. He's not been the same player since his injury, whether its a confidence thing, I dont know but its frustrating.

funny - we were talking about him at the game and wondering whether our collective memories (pre injury) were wrong - he used to be faster and more direct - didn't he ?

don't think it helps him when he plays on the left - he's not strong / confident enough on his left side to go on the outside, so inevitably cuts in

think mark illes should be told of the 'all fart and no dump' to use in the player ratings in the BN - could be a classic

[Beefheart]

If you look at his highlights from his first season here then he was very direct and often took people on. He has peformed like this on occassion post-injury so I believe he's still capable, but is definitely showing it on a much less regular basis if so.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

No point hitting the byeline and cutting it back if we've only got a diddyman up front.

What you should do then is link up intelligently with passes to feet. Sadly it's not something we do a lot of.

[wigan white]

Yeah. Cross the ball into that empty box for the defenders to clear.

Chungy was one of our positives yesterday. always looking for the ball, probing inside and retained possession as well as anybody else.

I'd agree that he retains possession, but I'm afraid there is absolutely no threat with the lad. Its not a case of just throwing the ball in its about occupying and taking on the opponents full back and he just doesn't do it. There was a perfect illustration yesterday in the 2nd half when chungy managed to knock it past the FB and looked like he would be in, but the lad quite easily matched chungy for pace and muscled him off the ball. More often than not he receives the ball and either doubles back or cuts inside, all in front of the opposition. He had a good chance to let fly in the 1st half but hesistated and the chance went

seriously does he make you get on the edge of your seat when he gets the ball. the feeney loan illustrated the difference it can make having a wide player who can stretch and turn around the opposition

^100% with you on this. Chungy just wont take anybody on. As you said, time after time he cuts inside and narrows the game too much. He's soo undecided with what to do when he has the ball, that when he does decide to pass/shoot the defenders have had time to cover him. He's not been the same player since his injury, whether its a confidence thing, I dont know but its frustrating.

funny - we were talking about him at the game and wondering whether our collective memories (pre injury) were wrong - he used to be faster and more direct - didn't he ?

don't think it helps him when he plays on the left - he's not strong / confident enough on his left side to go on the outside, so inevitably cuts in

think mark illes should be told of the 'all fart and no dump' to use in the player ratings in the BN - could be a classic

When we first signed him, well when he started regularly, he ran at defenders with pace, but now he just seems to jog with the ball??? I agree with you in regards to him being inaffective on the left as shown yesterday with how many times he cut in and then refused to shoot!.

[thebish]

my memory is that he used to have more tricky feet - now, more often than not, he stumbles and trips over the ball and loses possession.. it might be a rose-tinted memory - seems a long time ago - but i remember him skipping through a defence - ball bobbling about - but still managing to keep it under control and dink it past the goalie... maybe he only ever did that once - but nowadays it would clang off his shin and out for a gk...

[boltonboris]

His style of play hasn't changed at all. The players around him and the lack of movement has.

[thebish]

His style of play hasn't changed at all. The players around him and the lack of movement has.

that would be a coherent and plausible explanation... I like chungy - always have - I wouldn't want to be getting rid just yet... at the start of the season we had a big eagles vs chungy debate - at the momwent i can't see that many clubs wetting their pants over either of them...

[LeverEnd]

His style of play hasn't changed at all. The players around him and the lack of movement has.

That's true at times but as you've said yourself Beckford makes some good runs and Chungy consistently fails to see/find him.

[boltonboris]

I'll give you that.. If we played 2 up top, I think we'd see Chungy come into his own.

[wigan white]

His style of play hasn't changed at all. The players around him and the lack of movement has.

that would be a coherent and plausible explanation... I like chungy - always have - I wouldn't want to be getting rid just yet... at the start of the season we had a big eagles vs chungy debate - at the momwent i can't see that many clubs wetting their pants over either of them...

Neither of them offer enough over 90mins, Chungy is involved more of the two but Eagles has contributes more in the small periods that he's up for it. I think the Championship doesnt suit Chungy, he's closed down too quickly for him to be effective. In the Prem and at International level theres a bit more space to work in, albeit created by being surrounded by a better level of player.

[Enoch]

I see Lee as technically decent (in a cockney kinda way) yet totally ineffective.

And I can't come up with a decent (in a more jediistic kinda way) explanation why it's so.

[BWFC_Insane]

The only game I've managed to see in an absolute age was the Charlton game, I'm not Lee's biggest fan, but I thought he played well then, better than most first half at least.

He's a technical player surrounded by a hotch potch of players that don't really suit him. I've said before I think his style of play works better in the premiership where keeping the ball is more at a premium and he has better players around him to play off.

In this league to me at least it seems you get more reward more often for being direct and getting a quality cross in or thumping a shot at goal than you do from taking the extra touch or looking for the extra pass. And that for me is where Chungy doesn't work that well at this level.

In his brief stint, Feeney showed the way a winger (and he isn't a very good one either) can really make a difference, Chungy is just on the periphery and not likely to turn games in the championship IMO.

[StaffsTrotter]

His style of play hasn't changed at all. The players around him and the lack of movement has.

that would be a coherent and plausible explanation... I like chungy - always have - I wouldn't want to be getting rid just yet... at the start of the season we had a big eagles vs chungy debate - at the momwent i can't see that many clubs wetting their pants over either of them...

think you might be surprised wrt eagles - few fans of other teams I know rate him/ single him out as dangerman.

I know he's not always on his game but he's positive and wants to take people on and make things happen. strikes me as a kind of player who wants to take every free kick etc and don't think it helps him to be in and out of the side and for others to seemingly have taken the deadball specialist role (e.g. spearing !!!!)

oh and I forgot to say I'd have eagles over chungy if I was picking for 5 a side

[BWFC_Insane]

His style of play hasn't changed at all. The players around him and the lack of movement has.

that would be a coherent and plausible explanation... I like chungy - always have - I wouldn't want to be getting rid just yet... at the start of the season we had a big eagles vs chungy debate - at the momwent i can't see that many clubs wetting their pants over either of them...

think you might be surprised wrt eagles - few fans of other teams I know rate him/ single him out as dangerman.

I know he's not always on his game but he's positive and wants to take people on and make things happen. strikes me as a kind of player who wants to take every free kick etc and don't think it helps him to be in and out of the side and for others to seemingly have taken the deadball specialist role (e.g. spearing !!!!)

The trouble with Eagles is that after his good performances in the early and latter parts of the last season he has reverted to his inconsistent showpony displays.

I don't think his heart is in it.

[jaffka]

Eagles is out of contract in summer?

[BWFC_Insane]

Eagles is out of contract in summer?

Yep. So in other words he is gone in the summer at the latest.

[Andy Waller]

Eagles is out of contract in summer?

Yep. So in other words he is gone in the summer at the latest.

Brylcreem, Veet and fake tan sales in the North West will plummet..

[jaffka]

Eagles is out of contract in summer?

Yep. So in other words he is gone in the summer at the latest.

Bin him off in January then.