Grecians from Devon? At home to Exeter Sat,31st Aug ,3-0'clock

[BWFC_Insane]

We need a manager. Someone who will come in and knows how to run a club top to bottom. Who knows how to get out of this league. The last thing we need is some more modern football experimentation with Sharon and the boards money.

Still Gareth Ainsworth for me. Out of work. I think he would take no nonsense and motivate some of these players.

No one runs clubs from top to bottom in this era, and we don’t need that. We need a top football coach.

I disagree. We’ve lost all our identity and it’s because we are trying to do what modern top level clubs do in league one.

We need a manager - not some experimental coaching. A manager who sorts stuff out and doesn’t take nonsense.

Parky has two promotions at Wrexham and 10 points this season. Yes he’s had money but that brings pressure and it takes a good manager. Their owners are new to football but they put football business people in who know the game and they went and got a manager who runs the football side without interference and in his own image.

[GhostoftheBok]

Ainsworth has QPR's worst loss rate for anyone who got over 10 games, doesn't he? 19 lost in 28 tries. 10 of his last 14.

His win percentage for the season, at the time of his firing, was 14%.

I'd rather not appoint a pub quiz question.

He had a summer window and then produced that.

I've suggested Evatt get 15 games and he's only won one so far. They could be results twins.

[BWFC_Insane]

We need a manager. Someone who will come in and knows how to run a club top to bottom. Who knows how to get out of this league. The last thing we need is some more modern football experimentation with Sharon and the boards money.

Still Gareth Ainsworth for me. Out of work. I think he would take no nonsense and motivate some of these players.

As Ghost and DSB have pointed out much more eloquently than I could, we have a style of play through the club here now. It's a style that has a much higher potential ceiling than hoofing it. You can change the formation, change the pace, change the personnel, but that's the style, like it or lump it.

Hiring an agriculture merchant like Ainsworth would set us back years.

Organise the team one end, get us scoring some set pieces the other end. What Ainsworth might do with better players I suspect is different to how he had to live at Wycombe and QPR. Allardyce was a hoof it merchant - inherited a Todd side not suited to it. He adapted. Parky found the way to unlock Clough and Ameobi - inspite of his reputation for more basic stuff.

A good manager gets the best out of what they have. Ainsworth I think would do that here. We have some excellent players top end of the pitch and we overcomplicate it way too much.

[Bertie Wooster]

Ainsworth OMG - he's not the type of manager we need, he'd set us back more than Evatt.

Alex Neil or Ryan Lowe for me.

[Worthy4England]

Great reason to keep the faith. Not as shit as that one...

I still agree 15 isn't a bad pick, but the next 5 should determine whether he gets all of 'em.

[The_Gun]

We need a manager. Someone who will come in and knows how to run a club top to bottom. Who knows how to get out of this league. The last thing we need is some more modern football experimentation with Sharon and the boards money.

Still Gareth Ainsworth for me. Out of work. I think he would take no nonsense and motivate some of these players.

No one runs clubs from top to bottom in this era, and we don’t need that. We need a top football coach.

I disagree. We’ve lost all our identity and it’s because we are trying to do what modern top level clubs do in league one.

We need a manager - not some experimental coaching. A manager who sorts stuff out and doesn’t take nonsense.

Parky has two promotions at Wrexham and 10 points this season. Yes he’s had money but that brings pressure and it takes a good manager. Their owners are new to football but they put football business people in who know the game and they went and got a manager who runs the football side without interference and in his own image.

I don’t even know what you mean by ‘experimental coaching’ tbh, but I’d suggest you wouldn’t be happy if we were to hire coaches with the previous experience of say Des Buckingham or John Mousinho. However, things turned out quite well for Oxford and Pompey.

[GhostoftheBok]

I still agree 15 isn't a bad pick, but the next 5 should determine whether he gets all of 'em.

Yes. Today is a major issue for him. It was Evatt that lost that football match. Not fatigue, or options, or anything else.

Managers do feck up, but it looked too much like previous feck ups to write it off.

He's clearly staying, so he has to win games. If he loses badly against Huddersfield then I struggle to see how the stadium doesn't become an absolute cauldron for them to play in.

[GhostoftheBok]

I don’t even know what you mean by ‘experimental coaching’ tbh

The entire last 20 years of the game.

[Worthy4England]

I still agree 15 isn't a bad pick, but the next 5 should determine whether he gets all of 'em.

Yes. Today is a major issue for him. It was Evatt that lost that football match. Not fatigue, or options, or anything else.

Managers do feck up, but it looked too much like previous feck ups to write it off.

He's clearly staying, so he has to win games. If he loses badly against Huddersfield then I struggle to see how the stadium doesn't become an absolute cauldron for them to play in.

He's clearly staying. I think that calculation might evolve over the next couple of games maybe less than 15. We're in season 4 not season 1.

Today is a major issue. His results since 1/1/24 are a much larger one.

[Prufrock]

Missed the first half. Saw 30 mins of the second. Very very bad.

The test for me with a manager has always been, can I work out what the plan is here. For that 30, not a fecking clue.

[Bertie Wooster]

2nd half the manager decided to hide, just like 'his' players. We need people to step up and lead not go hiding.

[GhostoftheBok]

He's clearly staying. I think that calculation might evolve over the next couple of games maybe less than 15. We're in season 4 not season 1.

Today is a major issue. His results since 1/1/24 are a much larger one.

Yes, but today was everything in microcosm.

It was additionally highlighted by the fact he played against a "footballing" manager who changed the plan not long into the game to win it.

If Evatt feels he can't currently use his squad, because of medical advice or whatever else - okay. I'm unconvinced, but okay.

He wants to get his players as many minutes trying to make this work as possible, even though he knows it's not going to work properly yet. Okay.

Intellectually I can understand it. I am hating every minute of it.

Like you say, it's year 5 not 1. I have seen managers play teams through issues before and accept bad results for the good of the season. I've been part of that process and got the stick for it, whilst knowing we were doing what was necessary to sort the team out.

I don't think that explains today, but if we go on a winning run after the break then fair play and I'll hold my hands up. If we beat Huddersfield we are 2 behind them going into another home game.

I don't do panic. I am in a seriously bad mood, though.

[BWFC_Insane]

We need a manager. Someone who will come in and knows how to run a club top to bottom. Who knows how to get out of this league. The last thing we need is some more modern football experimentation with Sharon and the boards money.

Still Gareth Ainsworth for me. Out of work. I think he would take no nonsense and motivate some of these players.

No one runs clubs from top to bottom in this era, and we don’t need that. We need a top football coach.

I disagree. We’ve lost all our identity and it’s because we are trying to do what modern top level clubs do in league one.

We need a manager - not some experimental coaching. A manager who sorts stuff out and doesn’t take nonsense.

Parky has two promotions at Wrexham and 10 points this season. Yes he’s had money but that brings pressure and it takes a good manager. Their owners are new to football but they put football business people in who know the game and they went and got a manager who runs the football side without interference and in his own image.

I don’t even know what you mean by ‘experimental coaching’ tbh, but I’d suggest you wouldn’t be happy if we were to hire coaches with the previous experience of say Des Buckingham or John Mousinho. However, things turned out quite well for Oxford and Pompey.

I mean a focus on some perceived ‘style’ over substance. Allardyce wouldn’t rock up here and decide we have to play it out from the back regardless of anything else.

Evatt is just a big experiment. Play 433 with the best winger in the league - decide you don’t want to do that. Go three and the back. Unable to keep winger happy. Sell him. Fail with three at the back. Try a 343. Continue to play the same way regardless.

This is league one. We know what it takes to get out. Many managers have with far less. We need to cut the bullshit out and focus on being hard to break down and create chances for our forwards. And for god sakes work out how to score from set pieces.

[GhostoftheBok]

The test for me with a manager has always been, can I work out what the plan is here. For that 30, not a fecking clue.

I looked at that line up today and knew that if Exeter went man-for-man we'd struggle.

Caldwell tried to play and realised he was going to lose, so he went man-for-man.

Evatt and his staff must have understood that too. In the second half he brought on ball-carrying players and Vic, to break the lines when going short and make the long balls stick. So he clearly understands how it's meant to work.

I am left trying to understand why he set us up in a way that even Gary Caldwell, not the greatest tactical mind in the game, could counter.

Matete and Tutu not fit enough yet? Vic still carrying that knock? Collins??? No idea on Collins.

I'd be less annoyed if I knew why he was making the calls he's making. He can't have put that 11 out thinking, "Ooooo...that's bangin', that is!"

6 months from now, if he's still in a job, that team might work. The passing and rotations will have to be there for him to still be here and they'd just play out. Now, with it this disjointed...not a chance. You've got to carry the ball through the lines.

[TANGODANCER]

I will indeed say I don't think you're right TD...

You play what's out there in front of you, including the ref, and adapt accordingly.

Fair enough, but was there at any point today any sign of us winning ? If so, I must have missed it. I'm beginning to heartily dislike the word "possession" if it mean ping-ponging the ball about to no useful end till we lose it. Our passing is a joke and our ball control worse. Won One, drawn One, Lost two out of four is hardly encouraging for a team in eighteenth league position already and talking promotion. I'm a rose-tinter at best, but right now I'd best get some Windolene. My specs seem a bit fogged!.

[BWFC_Insane]

Ainsworth has QPR's worst loss rate for anyone who got over 10 games, doesn't he? 19 lost in 28 tries. 10 of his last 14.

His win percentage for the season, at the time of his firing, was 14%.

I'd rather not appoint a pub quiz question.

He had a summer window and then produced that.

I've suggested Evatt get 15 games and he's only won one so far. They could be results twins.

Managers have failure sometimes.

Parky at Sunderland for example. Now has a 66% win record or something like that at Wrexham.

I just think Ainsworth would be a fit here. There are ones I’d prefer but they are in work.

[truewhite15]

Ainsworth has QPR's worst loss rate for anyone who got over 10 games, doesn't he? 19 lost in 28 tries. 10 of his last 14.

His win percentage for the season, at the time of his firing, was 14%.

I'd rather not appoint a pub quiz question.

He had a summer window and then produced that.

I've suggested Evatt get 15 games and he's only won one so far. They could be results twins.

Managers have failure sometimes.

Parky at Sunderland for example. Now has a 66% win record or something like that at Wrexham.

I just think Ainsworth would be a fit here. There are ones I’d prefer but they are in work.

No, Ainsworth just plays a style of football that you personally prefer. He would absolutely not be a fit here with the style woven into the club right now.

[Worthy4England]

I will indeed say I don't think you're right TD...

You play what's out there in front of you, including the ref, and adapt accordingly.

Fair enough, but was there at any point today any sign of us winning ? If so, I must have missed it. I'm beginning to heartily dislike the word "possession" if it mean ping-ponging the ball about to no useful end till we lose it. Our passing is a joke and our ball control worse. Won One, drawn One, Lost two out of four is hardly encouraging for a team in eighteenth league position already and talking promotion. I'm a rose-tinter at best, but right now I'd best get some Windolene. My specs seem a bit fogged!.

Plenty we agree on TD. Possession is what you do with it, not how much of it you have...

[GhostoftheBok]

Managers have failure sometimes.

Parky at Sunderland for example. Now has a 66% win record or something like that at Wrexham.

I just think Ainsworth would be a fit here. There are ones I’d prefer but they are in work.

Parky won nearly 40% of his games at Sunderland.

His worst time was at Hull, where he was in a harder position than Ainsworth at QPR and still didn't manage to be that bad.

Ainsworth just isn't very good. He's a long ball version of Darren Ferguson - but with a much lower low side. He has a club that works for him, he may work at a very similar club. We are not that club.

He will get another job, because he did good work at Wycombe. I wish him well, because he's well liked by people I like. Please, not at my club. I don't care about the hoof all that much, I just think he'd be a disaster.

[BWFC_Insane]

Ainsworth has QPR's worst loss rate for anyone who got over 10 games, doesn't he? 19 lost in 28 tries. 10 of his last 14.

His win percentage for the season, at the time of his firing, was 14%.

I'd rather not appoint a pub quiz question.

He had a summer window and then produced that.

I've suggested Evatt get 15 games and he's only won one so far. They could be results twins.

Managers have failure sometimes.

Parky at Sunderland for example. Now has a 66% win record or something like that at Wrexham.

I just think Ainsworth would be a fit here. There are ones I’d prefer but they are in work.

No, Ainsworth just plays a style of football that you personally prefer. He would absolutely not be a fit here with the style woven into the club right now.

It’s nothing to do with style. He has the right sort of character imho.

There are plenty out there but a lot are in jobs.