The ianevattable sacking

[Bertie Wooster]

You do not come out with the comments Evatt made post match wanting to stay, to me he clearly wants out but on his terms.

[BWFC_Insane]

You do not come out with the comments Evatt made post match wanting to stay, to me he clearly wants out but on his terms.

I’ve heard he wants out but they don’t want to sack him.

These things are bandied about a lot so very likely is complete nonsense. But a few things have been said that make me think he wanted a way out after Wembley but couldn’t find one.

Wouldn’t surprise me if we are in that sort of position.

[GhostoftheBok]

You do not come out with the comments Evatt made post match wanting to stay, to me he clearly wants out but on his terms.

Certainly sounded like that, but then he was pissing and moaning about his future last year and stayed on after Wembley.

[The_Gun]

DSB’s favourite Twitter ‘itk’ charlatan just intimated that Evatt’s a goner.

It’s worth remembering that he also suggested we’d be getting both Fossey and Paris back, so this should be taken with a cellar full of salt.

[BWFC_Insane]

DSB’s favourite Twitter ‘itk’ charlatan just intimated that Evatt’s a goner.

It’s worth remembering that he also suggested we’d be getting both Fossey and Paris back, so this should be taken with a cellar full of salt.

A charlatan.

[Mar]

You do not come out with the comments Evatt made post match wanting to stay, to me he clearly wants out but on his terms.

I’ve heard he wants out but they don’t want to sack him.

These things are bandied about a lot so very likely is complete nonsense. But a few things have been said that make me think he wanted a way out after Wembley but couldn’t find one.

Wouldn’t surprise me if we are in that sort of position.

Certainly looks that way, and financially from Evatt's point of view he's likely to want to maximise his pay off.

Evatt's crappy tactic of three up top may just have been a way of making us easier to beat and getting him more likely to get sacked. Players may be underperforming to help get him out.

[officer_dibble]

You do not come out with the comments Evatt made post match wanting to stay, to me he clearly wants out but on his terms.

Certainly sounded like that, but then he was pissing and moaning about his future last year and stayed on after Wembley.

I’m assuming Sharon persuaded him to have another crack after Wembley. His comments last night were a lot more blunt. To summarise:
1) he doesn’t know how to change it
2) he doesn’t recognise the team - despite them all being his players (yes even Thomason !)
3) the fans who were singing his name are complicit / unhelpful and have created a negative atmosphere - this seems to be why we can’t win.
4) he would “seek conversations” with the owners, the inference surely being about his future.

I’m assuming he’s not expecting to go to them whining after he’s just been backed in the transfer window to get a public vote of confidence and request from Sharon to the paying public to be nice and not boo the fella who is quite clearly the main responsible party to a team that can’t defend and can’t score.

I know we have had basket case owners before and nothing is ever straightforward, but I just cannot plot a course out of this for Evatt now at all. And I wanted it to workout, I wanted to see us challenge this year, but it can’t. He’s done - he’s been found out. Champagne football with cheap lager players ain’t getting us out of this division (upwardly). And he is refusing to change, indeed he’s saying he can’t and doesn’t know how to. He wants out and he wants it with as much cash as possible. Fair enough. He also wants to protect brand Evatt…of that I am convinced. He needs to work again.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Evatt's crappy tactic of three up top may just have been a way of making us easier to beat and getting him more likely to get sacked. Players may be underperforming to help get him out.

I know it's a time for spitballing theories and ideas but I think it highly unliklely that Evatt is deliberately trying to get sacked by losing lots of games by buying the wrong players or playing the wrong formation.

It's very easy to lose football games (as we're proving) - you don't have to go to a lot of conspiracy-level effort. And as he publicly acknowledges, it's tarnishing the reputation he holds dear.

Again, I'm less inclined to baroque fantasy than to Occam's Razor - or indeed Hanlon's Razor, which I discovered recently: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

[officer_dibble]

He probably needs a time out from football/

I think he does - in all seriousness if he was a mate or a family member I would encourage him to take a break. He sounds like he is really suffering mentally.

[Mar]

Evatt's crappy tactic of three up top may just have been a way of making us easier to beat and getting him more likely to get sacked. Players may be underperforming to help get him out.

I know it's a time for spitballing theories and ideas but I think it highly unliklely that Evatt is deliberately trying to get sacked by losing lots of games by buying the wrong players or playing the wrong formation.

It's very easy to lose football games (as we're proving) - you don't have to go to a lot of conspiracy-level effort. And as he publicly acknowledges, it's tarnishing the reputation he holds dear.

Again, I'm less inclined to baroque fantasy than to Occam's Razor - or indeed Hanlon's Razor, which I discovered recently: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

I know what you're trying to say.

Evatt's looked mentally fatigued for ages. If he offered his resignation after Oxford and it wasn't taken, he's probably had time to think about it and not come round. I think Evatt would've wanted to make it work, but the more it doesn't work and the more it gets further away from the success we all want, then the more likely there's self sabotage in there, whether conscious or otherwise.

The players were probably aware of whats gone on and are sort of stuck in some doom loop if its not getting better. Like taking your favourite pet to the vets one last time.

I'm not attributing this to malice, more to 'we can't carry on like this'.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yeah Evatt isn’t ’trying to get sacked’ or losing games on purpose. Thats just not it.

I strongly suspect post Wembley he knew that he had just blown the season he had to get this club out of league one. Everyone knew it. He knew it and probably because he’s so thin skinned didn’t fancy the criticism that would come. Also because he’s deluded probably was thinking a championship club would come and take him whilst he was on holiday sulking.

When that didn’t happen his choices are - resign and take a risk and look like a failure or carry on and hope someone came in for him or the start for the next season was good to take some heat off.

I suspect he’s known from the minute that final whistle blew against Oxford he’s finished here. I suspect much of the reaction post game was very telling that he knew too.

But the thing is that resigning and walking and not getting the compo without a job to go to is very risky for a lower league manager. And he’d know that. If the timing is wrong you could be jobless for a long time and all that time perceived a total failure ‘couldn’t even get Bolton out of league one’. It pretty much would set him back to where he was when he joined us career wise.

So I think as it has been all along it’s down to the board to do the necessary. I’m not very confident.

[GhostoftheBok]

What would be interesting would be if Sharon wanted Ian's advice on his successor.

If we want to spitball conspiracy theories, that might end up with Gareth Ainsworth taking over.

[officer_dibble]

That would be a conspiracy theory for the ages! I wouldn’t ask Ian’s advice on what I should have for breakfast at the minute, so let’s hope she doesn’t!

[Worthy4England]

Yeah Evatt isn’t ’trying to get sacked’ or losing games on purpose. Thats just not it.

I strongly suspect post Wembley he knew that he had just blown the season he had to get this club out of league one. Everyone knew it. He knew it and probably because he’s so thin skinned didn’t fancy the criticism that would come. Also because he’s deluded probably was thinking a championship club would come and take him whilst he was on holiday sulking.

When that didn’t happen his choices are - resign and take a risk and look like a failure or carry on and hope someone came in for him or the start for the next season was good to take some heat off.

I suspect he’s known from the minute that final whistle blew against Oxford he’s finished here. I suspect much of the reaction post game was very telling that he knew too.

But the thing is that resigning and walking and not getting the compo without a job to go to is very risky for a lower league manager. And he’d know that. If the timing is wrong you could be jobless for a long time and all that time perceived a total failure ‘couldn’t even get Bolton out of league one’. It pretty much would set him back to where he was when he joined us career wise.

So I think as it has been all along it’s down to the board to do the necessary. I’m not very confident.

I'm sure I read there'd been at least three approaches for Evatt? Thought it was a Sharon quote. I'll try and dig it out...

As for the wider brimmed tin-foil, that he's deliberately destroying that which he's built, I doubt it, personally, albeit acknowledging that if he's not 100% behind his own plan, that could impact.

[Bertie Wooster]

Recruiting to play only one way is shocking management, he admitted post match that he's recruited to be technical and don't have the physicality to change it and be more direct - talk about a one trick pony, he has no element of surprise.

Even City mix it up occasionally, at Barrow he was successful and had a big centre forward - yet in this last transfer window even with a spare squad place he's not brought in a physical big tall centre forward, which would enable him to change things because we have been sussed, almost every club now knows how to stop us playing out from the back and we can't do anything about it.

There are a few rumours around that he's gone, which are probably only speculative - but to be honest he deserves to go, its no wonder that he has no answers in how to change things and its all down to him, he's had numerous transfer windows to bring in players to enable him to change it up every now and again, but his obsession in being pound shop Pep will be his undoing.

[DJBlu]

I doubt he's going soon.

The next 3 or 4 games are going to be interesting if he stays. If his luck has run out then we're going to lose 1 to 3 early on and surely will be shown the door. If he gets the luck from the past then he's probably going to win 6 or 7 of the next 8.

Really think he needs to show some humility and leave or accept he needs help to turn it round.

[Prufrock]

Yeah Evatt isn’t ’trying to get sacked’ or losing games on purpose. Thats just not it.

I strongly suspect post Wembley he knew that he had just blown the season he had to get this club out of league one. Everyone knew it. He knew it and probably because he’s so thin skinned didn’t fancy the criticism that would come. Also because he’s deluded probably was thinking a championship club would come and take him whilst he was on holiday sulking.

When that didn’t happen his choices are - resign and take a risk and look like a failure or carry on and hope someone came in for him or the start for the next season was good to take some heat off.

I suspect he’s known from the minute that final whistle blew against Oxford he’s finished here. I suspect much of the reaction post game was very telling that he knew too.

But the thing is that resigning and walking and not getting the compo without a job to go to is very risky for a lower league manager. And he’d know that. If the timing is wrong you could be jobless for a long time and all that time perceived a total failure ‘couldn’t even get Bolton out of league one’. It pretty much would set him back to where he was when he joined us career wise.

So I think as it has been all along it’s down to the board to do the necessary. I’m not very confident.

Too much going on consciously there for me, though I'm with the gist. If he wanted out, he could've said explicitly or otherwise to Sharon, "I'm not resigning but I think I'm done, sack me".

We're watching a breakdown of understanding. His ego clearly thinks he's elite. But an elite manager's team almost certainly doesn't get done like Oxford did. He was clearly hurt, went away, because his view is himself is "strong character" he decides I can work this out, shape change. But he hasn't been able to make that work, either because he doesn't get it, or he can't get it across. And now here we are.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

The next 3 or 4 games are going to be interesting if he stays. If his luck has run out then we're going to lose 1 to 3 early on and surely will be shown the door. If he gets the luck from the past then he's probably going to win 6 or 7 of the next 8.

The new few games are winnable. Which is why it's a great opportunity for a new manager.

[GhostoftheBok]

The "one trick pony" accusation is true this season, but it's not because we don't go from Pep to Pulis with a couple of subs.

"Go more direct to a big lad" isn't the only way to mix it up, as Arsenal showed yesterday.

If anything, asking Ian if we should go long lets him off the hook.

Where's the pace in behind to stretch games and reduce the press? Why does a team with 3 centre backs look so timid on set pieces? Why isn't the back three drilled on basic spacing to defend balls from wide positions, in a system that's designed to force the ball wide?

There are valid recruitment and tactical questions that are masked when people shout "get it to a big man."

[BWFC_Insane]

Evatt’s comments on Saturday published in the BN today are exactly the problem. All about him. Doesn’t want ‘his legacy tarnished’.

Now look Allardyce was exactly like this. But he was at the time probably in the top 3 managers in the country at least and had achieved stuff of legend.

Evatt is like this on the back of sweet FA.