Abdoulaye's going t'Souk transfer thread

[Athers]

Eaves is a real shame imo. We signed him as a young striker with experience of 3rd tier football, who'd just torn apart a premiership defence. He looked good during his first loan spell but since then he seems to have gone backwards.

It's a Championship version of the Premier League problem of stockpiling young players, never using them and ruining their development, save a few loans to whoever will have them

He could have 150 games for Oldham now.

[Bruce Rioja]

Eaves is a real shame imo. We signed him as a young striker with experience of 3rd tier football, who'd just torn apart a premiership defence. He looked good during his first loan spell but since then he seems to have gone backwards.

It's a Championship version of the Premier League problem of stockpiling young players, never using them and ruining their development, save a few loans to whoever will have them

He could have 150 games for Oldham now.

I still don't know why we didn't loan him back to Oldham the moment we signed him.

[Lord Kangana]

if any were that good we'd know by now.

In which case you're saying we may as well get rid.

I'd like to see them first.

Why? There is a difference between them being as good as an experienced striker such as Jutkiewicz and being ready for the scrap heap.

They might need more experience first via a loan or further development. Or they might be solid squad players without being ones to rely on to fire you to glory.

Sorry, I thought we were going to see youth given its chance under this bright new regime? Surely the only way to give them a chance is by giving them a chance? Or are we just doing what we've always done, only playing them if they're good enough?

[BWFC_Insane]

if any were that good we'd know by now.

In which case you're saying we may as well get rid.

I'd like to see them first.

Why? There is a difference between them being as good as an experienced striker such as Jutkiewicz and being ready for the scrap heap.

They might need more experience first via a loan or further development. Or they might be solid squad players without being ones to rely on to fire you to glory.

Sorry, I thought we were going to see youth given its chance under this bright new regime? Surely the only way to give them a chance is by giving them a chance? Or are we just doing what we've always done, only playing them if they're good enough?

We are seeing them given a chance. See Kellet and Threlkeld at the end of the season for example. No doubt both those lads will get even more chances next season.

Throwing youngsters in that aren't ready does not constitute giving them a chance. Neither does demanding that we play them and if they aren't good enough we bin them off before such a time as they are deemed "ready".

[Armchair Wanderer]

Most seasons we play kids in the last game or so because the game doesn't matter so why not. Then the following season they vanish again... until the last couple of games.

Agree with Athers... Chris Waddle was saying a similar thing the other day.

[Bruce Rioja]

Most seasons we play kids in the last game or so because the game doesn't matter so why not. Then the following season they vanish again... until the last couple of games.

Agree with Athers... Chris Waddle was saying a similar thing the other day.

Chris Waddle said 'Agree with Athers'? My word.

[Armchair Wanderer]

Most seasons we play kids in the last game or so because the game doesn't matter so why not. Then the following season they vanish again... until the last couple of games.

Agree with Athers... Chris Waddle was saying a similar thing the other day.

Chris Waddle said 'Agree with Athers'? My word.

Man of teh people!

[bobo the clown]

Funny thing about strikers .... you never know till they are tried.

I'm not saying play Iliev and we don't need the Juke. I'm saying we have bright, fast, goal-scoring juniors who deserve to be at least given bench time and tested. He didn't even do that in the final 4 or 5 matches last season.

If he's a 'developer' ... and I honestly think he wants to be .... then why not these ? Or, with his direct knowledge, are they not worth it ?

[BWFC_Insane]

Funny thing about strikers .... you never know till they are tried.

I'm not saying play Iliev and we don't need the Juke. I'm saying we have bright, fast, goal-scoring juniors who deserve to be at least given bench time and tested. He didn't even do that in the final 4 or 5 matches last season.

If he's a 'developer' ... and I honestly think he wants to be .... then why not these ? Or, with his direct knowledge, are they not worth it ?

I thought Clough was pencilled in for a game at a couple of points last season but got injured?

[wigan white]

From what I've seen of him (clough), he's a fantastic finisher but really lightweight and I'm not sure if he'd just get manhandled all over the place in the championship. Although the only way we'll know is if we try him.

One point, I thought I'd bring up was Dougies comments last summer about Hall, Sordell and Eaves, saying they're too young to play more than 20games in a season. now looking at this, isn't Hall 21 and Sordell/Eaves 22/23? If they can't play more than 20games a season then how unfit are they??? Look at Luke Shaw, he was 18 and played almost everygame for Southampton last season. I just wonder how real Dougie is being when he says he wants to give youth a chance but then comes out with stuff like he did last summer?

[boltonboris]

Fvck 'em, they're all shit.

If they weren't shit, they'd be playing for someone else

[boltonboris]

I just wonder how real Dougie is being when he says he wants to give youth a chance but then comes out with stuff like he did last summer?

That's because he's full o' shit

[BWFC_Insane]

From what I've seen of him (clough), he's a fantastic finisher but really lightweight and I'm not sure if he'd just get manhandled all over the place in the championship. Although the only way we'll know is if we try him.

One point, I thought I'd bring up was Dougies comments last summer about Hall, Sordell and Eaves, saying they're too young to play more than 20games in a season. now looking at this, isn't Hall 21 and Sordell/Eaves 22/23? If they can't play more than 20games a season then how unfit are they??? Look at Luke Shaw, he was 18 and played almost everygame for Southampton last season. I just wonder how real Dougie is being when he says he wants to give youth a chance but then comes out with stuff like he did last summer?

I think he was probably talking in terms of squad strength and not being able to rely on those three for a full season of performances (he was right).

If any were 1/10th as good as Luke Shaw then obviously it might be different.

I don't know where this message of wanting to give young players a chance has been twisted into "that means he must play every young player all the time". He obviously wants the club to grow its own players and clearly wants to play then when they are ready and it is appropriate.

Being committed to producing your own players doesn't equate to chucking in a load of kids and saying "there you go". It is about playing them at the right time for the right length of time, protecting them when necessary.

[Prufrock]

Fvck 'em, they're all shit.

If they weren't shit, they'd be playing for someone else

I think we can shut the forum; Boris has nailed it.

[wigan white]

From what I've seen of him (clough), he's a fantastic finisher but really lightweight and I'm not sure if he'd just get manhandled all over the place in the championship. Although the only way we'll know is if we try him.

One point, I thought I'd bring up was Dougies comments last summer about Hall, Sordell and Eaves, saying they're too young to play more than 20games in a season. now looking at this, isn't Hall 21 and Sordell/Eaves 22/23? If they can't play more than 20games a season then how unfit are they??? Look at Luke Shaw, he was 18 and played almost everygame for Southampton last season. I just wonder how real Dougie is being when he says he wants to give youth a chance but then comes out with stuff like he did last summer?

I think he was probably talking in terms of squad strength and not being able to rely on those three for a full season of performances (he was right).

If any were 1/10th as good as Luke Shaw then obviously it might be different.

I don't know where this message of wanting to give young players a chance has been twisted into "that means he must play every young player all the time". He obviously wants the club to grow its own players and clearly wants to play then when they are ready and it is appropriate.

Being committed to producing your own players doesn't equate to chucking in a load of kids and saying "there you go". It is about playing them at the right time for the right length of time, protecting them when necessary.

I do agree that there's a time and place to play them and they shouldn't necessarily play every game, but when does a player stop being a "Youngster", as previously stated, these aren't 16/17yr olds, some of these are players in their 20's who realistically should be able to play almost every game in a season to a decent standard. This is where my confusion comes in.

[BWFC_Insane]

Sordell has gone now officially.

Club haven't commented on rumours that Phil and Eddie have been seen buying half price bunting and party poppers in town this morning.....

[wigan white]

Bye Bye Marvin.

[boltonboris]

Good luck to him

[Riviman]

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Bolton News announcement of Sordell move. Let's hope he's a success then we get some money from the "add on" clauses.

[Riviman]

More funds for the Juke transfer ??