The New Freedman Poll

[jaffka]

Freedman isn't Allardyce.

Allardyce has the Midas touch.

Duggie is a duffer.

No comparison.

[BWFC_Insane]

He's wrong.


That's all.

He demonstrated his case via opta stats. It seemed to work out pretty well for us too.

That's all.

I'm sure that if Bish were here he'd be fairly successful at finding lots of threads where we all bitched and moaned about Allardyce doing it.

Aye but doesn't mean it wasn't right.

Allardyce made a case for it. His point was always that if you has Messi or Henry it was worth keeping them up because they were capable of scoring from any clearance. But most players aren't and therefore teams don't keep any extra players back and you don't benefit and have one less in the box.

I can certainly see his argument. Frankly I don't care how many we do or don't keep back from corners so long as we don't concede from them. But then I don't care how we play so long as we win.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Doesn't mean he was right either.

[bobo the clown]

He's wrong.


That's all.

He demonstrated his case via opta stats. It seemed to work out pretty well for us too.

That's all.

I'm sure that if Bish were here he'd be fairly successful at finding lots of threads where we all bitched and moaned about Allardyce doing it.

Aye but doesn't mean it wasn't right.

Allardyce made a case for it. His point was always that if you has Messi or Henry it was worth keeping them up because they were capable of scoring from any clearance. But most players aren't and therefore teams don't keep any extra players back and you don't benefit and have one less in the box.

I can certainly see his argument. Frankly I don't care how many we do or don't keep back from corners so long as we don't concede from them. But then I don't care how we play so long as we win.

It's nowt to do with the person/people kept up scoring. It's to do with them preventing the ball immediately being swept back in.

The stats covering goals scored for are pointless.

[Bruce Rioja]

As I recall it was Coyle, not Allardyce that said he had loads of stats about not leaving someone up top.

Leaving someone up top draws two defenders.

[BWFC_Insane]

As I recall it was Coyle, not Allardyce that said he had loads of stats about not leaving someone up top.

Leaving someone up top draws two defenders.

Coyle might have I don't know.

But Allardyce definitely did the whole stats justification thing. I remember hearing him discuss it on the radio.

[Bruce Rioja]

As I recall it was Coyle, not Allardyce that said he had loads of stats about not leaving someone up top.

Leaving someone up top draws two defenders.

Coyle might have I don't know.

But Allardyce definitely did the whole stats justification thing. I remember hearing him discuss it on the radio.

Well, perhaps you can provide us with a quote?!

Coyle might have? He did, at a fans forum when asked directly about it. I assumed you were there too.

[SmokinFrazier]

Setting up a team to win 1-0 is fine but you need the players to be suitable for that and it needs proper organisation from the manager. It doesn't work if you don't have those things, which we don't. We're much better off when we attack so setting up defensively is detrimental.

[bobo the clown]

Setting up a team to win 1-0 is fine but you need the players to ....

To be honest it's not. But if it gets points it's up to individual fans to decide whether that's worth £25-30 per game plus costs and half a day of your life and a huge amount of emotion.

It wouldn't be for me, to be honest.

But the point, currently, is moot. Coz we aren't doing it well enough so we aren't getting the "nil" nor are we efficient enough to be sure of the "one".

So, sort of worst of all Worlds.

[Hoboh]

Setting up a team to win 1-0 is fine but you need the players to ....

To be honest it's not. But if it gets points it's up to individual fans to decide whether that's worth £25-30 per game plus costs and half a day of your life and a huge amount of emotion.

It wouldn't be for me, to be honest.

But the point, currently, is moot. Coz we aren't doing it well enough so we aren't getting the "nil" nor are we efficient enough to be sure of the "one".

So, sort of worst of all Worlds.

Oh I don't know, I guess watching Jose's team over a season may be very rewarding.

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't care how we win. Results >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else.

A team that plays nice football but doesn't win much will not satisfy fans for long.

Frankly if you look throughout history there are very few teams that have been successful without the ability to keep clean sheets and play ugly when necessary.

The way this division is the road to success appears to be keeping it tight creating a few chances and having a striker capable of taking them. I haven't seen many teams, actually haven't seen any, ripping it up week after week. It's tight and really is about the quality at the two ends of the pitch each game.

[Hoboh]

I don't care how we win. Results >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else.

A team that plays nice football but doesn't win much will not satisfy fans for long.

Frankly if you look throughout history there are very few teams that have been successful without the ability to keep clean sheets and play ugly when necessary.

The way this division is the road to success appears to be keeping it tight creating a few chances and having a striker capable of taking them. I haven't seen many teams, actually haven't seen any, ripping it up week after week. It's tight and really is about the quality at the two ends of the pitch each game.

Don't you ever knock BSA again after posting that, you his twin?

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't care how we win. Results >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else.

A team that plays nice football but doesn't win much will not satisfy fans for long.

Frankly if you look throughout history there are very few teams that have been successful without the ability to keep clean sheets and play ugly when necessary.

The way this division is the road to success appears to be keeping it tight creating a few chances and having a striker capable of taking them. I haven't seen many teams, actually haven't seen any, ripping it up week after week. It's tight and really is about the quality at the two ends of the pitch each game.

Don't you ever knock BSA again after posting that, you his twin?

I don't like Allardyce particularly, in the same way I don't like Ferguson. But he probably laid down the perfect blueprint for how to set up a side like us. About as good as you get. He was brilliant here. But those frees he exploited here don't exist anymore and he's now spending an awful lot of money at West Ham to achieve what he did here, not even that.

Isn't a criticism, but even Allardyce can't do the impossible.

[Worthy4England]

I don't care how we win. Results >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else.

A team that plays nice football but doesn't win much will not satisfy fans for long.

Frankly if you look throughout history there are very few teams that have been successful without the ability to keep clean sheets and play ugly when necessary.

The way this division is the road to success appears to be keeping it tight creating a few chances and having a striker capable of taking them. I haven't seen many teams, actually haven't seen any, ripping it up week after week. It's tight and really is about the quality at the two ends of the pitch each game.

I doubt anyone would argue that if the oppo scores "nil" every week, then that's no bad thing in terms of enhancing your chances of winning.

Problem isn't with the words he speaks, it's our chances of keeping to nil. We've let in 2 per game all fecking season and have the joint worst most goals conceded, which given Fulham shipped 5 in their last game, is some going so he's clearly been at the skunk.

Playing ugly and conceding over 2 per game is clearly bollocks. Wolves have scored three all season and sit in fourth - because they've only shipped 1.

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't care how we win. Results >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else.

A team that plays nice football but doesn't win much will not satisfy fans for long.

Frankly if you look throughout history there are very few teams that have been successful without the ability to keep clean sheets and play ugly when necessary.

The way this division is the road to success appears to be keeping it tight creating a few chances and having a striker capable of taking them. I haven't seen many teams, actually haven't seen any, ripping it up week after week. It's tight and really is about the quality at the two ends of the pitch each game.

I doubt anyone would argue that if the oppo scores "nil" every week, then that's no bad thing in terms of enhancing your chances of winning.

Problem isn't with the words he speaks, it's our chances of keeping to nil. We've let in 2 per game all fecking season and have the joint worst most goals conceded, which given Fulham shipped 5 in their last game, is some going so he's clearly been at the skunk.

Playing ugly and conceding over 2 per game is clearly bollocks. Wolves have scored three all season and sit in fourth - because they've only shipped 1.

I agree. I wasn't really referring to what Freedman said. I mean it is a bit stupid to suggest we only need create one chance a game and win 1-0. We miss too many for that. Let alone our inability to defend.

[jaffka]

I bet insane idiot was gutted when the laws of association football were amended to prevent the back pass to the goalie.

Probably repeat masterd over watching Greece play international football.

[Lord Kangana]

He's wrong.


That's all.

He demonstrated his case via opta stats. It seemed to work out pretty well for us too.

That's all.

He also demonstrated it by the league table. That's where the two differ.

[TANGODANCER]

When we were kids, football was simply kick and rush. We didn't know what a tactic was. Somebody leathered the ball in the direction of the opposition goal, everybody chased it and a real battle ensued. It was brainless, rough and tough and not involving much of a plan except to score. It was a hell of a lot of fun. As we got older we adapted to a better level; it got tougher, but it was still a lot of fun. Watching Bolton scrap for a win and going for goals was a lot of fun. It wasn't science, it was sport and all about winning. Where did it all go wrong?

Bring in a new rule that six passes is maximum before a shot on goal or the other side get possession. It might not suit Barcelona but it would sure liven things up.

[bobo the clown]

Bring in a new rule that six passes is maximum before ..... the other side get possession.

Believe me Tango, we've been doing this for a while.

[Andy Waller]

Bring in a new rule that six passes is maximum before ..... the other side get possession.

Believe me Tango, we've been doing this for a while.

A whole SIX passes??!

If we could do that, at least we could have a highlights dvd this season.