January 2022 Transfer Thread

[brommers95]

Makes senses to me. He’s 34 in March and quite clearly not cut out for this level anymore. It would also free up £3/4K a week in wages, which is a really useful chunk of change to get a younger forward in with.

I can see this one happening.

[nicholaldo]

If he wanted leave (or was at least open to the possibility of leaving) and we could reach a deal that would be agreeable to all parties, I'd thank him for his efforts and let him go.

He's very likely one of our highest earners, possibly even the highest, and I think based on performances this season and his age we're only going to get diminishing returns from him from hereonin.

[Harry Genshaw]

If he wanted leave (or was at least open to the possibility of leaving) and we could reach a deal that would be agreeable to all parties, I'd thank him for his efforts and let him go.

He's very likely one of our highest earners, possibly even the highest, and I think based on performances this season and his age we're only going to get diminishing returns from him from hereonin.

Agreed.

[Prufrock]

It's a tough one. I'd like to keep him until the summer but if it's now or at the end of his contact I'd go now (as long as Charles is a done deal).

He's got to be on close to top whack and has been off it for a long time. Think going back up to this level has been a step too far. Would be great to have around off the bench but I don't think he's worth the wage I'm assuming he's on. Let him go and reinvest.

[GhostoftheBok]

I agree with what's been said above. He's paid too much to sit on the bench and he's not playing well enough to start. Might suit all parties.

[Worthy4England]

Not a million miles surprised. When Sarce left, I think the original gossip was both Sarce and Doyler on the way....but if Doyler goes, that would have me inclined to think we might need another option too.

[The_Gun]

Whilst it’s possible/probable that Doyle is now in terminal decline, I wouldn’t particularly be in favour of replacing him with a player new to the club who hasn’t played first team football all season. If we are letting Eoin go then I hope we have at least one more striker coming in addition to Charles.

[Gudnib]

I like Eoin Doyle but it always seemed to be the case that giving a big money, three-year contract to a 32 year-old striker was a bit risky if you were trying to be sustainable. Didn't it coincide with the £5m government funded convertible COVID-based loan? I think it might have.

[BWFC_Insane]

Doyle has probably got to the age and form where it makes sense for him to go. No issue with that.

But his only replacement cannot be a 26 year old who has broken double figures in league football just once.

I’m sorry but that’s just expecting a miracle. Replace a regular every season double figures at least striker with a lad who has not played much league football and is 26.

If Doyle goes we need another and they need to have a more proven record of bagging goals otherwise it’s just very foolhardy and risky.

For all his faults Doyle has 7 this season and will if he played the second half break double figures again.

[Prufrock]

Doyle has probably got to the age and form where it makes sense for him to go. No issue with that.

But his only replacement cannot be a 26 year old who has broken double figures in league football just once.

I’m sorry but that’s just expecting a miracle. Replace a regular every season double figures at least striker with a lad who has not played much league football and is 26.

If Doyle goes we need another and they need to have a more proven record of bagging goals otherwise it’s just very foolhardy and risky.

For all his faults Doyle has 7 this season and will if he played the second half break double figures again.

4 in the league, and only 1 from open play though, isn't it?

[Prufrock]

I like Eoin Doyle but it always seemed to be the case that giving a big money, three-year contract to a 32 year-old striker was a bit risky if you were trying to be sustainable. Didn't it coincide with the £5m government funded convertible COVID-based loan? I think it might have.

Always struck me as a way around the salary cap.

Doyle's wage demands (just top scored for a team promoted out of League 2) are X.

We are limited to offering Y.

Ok, we'll offer you Y over 3 years rather than 2.

[The_Gun]

Doyle has probably got to the age and form where it makes sense for him to go. No issue with that.

But his only replacement cannot be a 26 year old who has broken double figures in league football just once.

I’m sorry but that’s just expecting a miracle. Replace a regular every season double figures at least striker with a lad who has not played much league football and is 26.

If Doyle goes we need another and they need to have a more proven record of bagging goals otherwise it’s just very foolhardy and risky.

For all his faults Doyle has 7 this season and will if he played the second half break double figures again.

4 in the league, and only 1 from open play though, isn't it?

He’s not been good this season, but would you not agree that letting him leave in Jan to be replaced by Charles would be a big gamble?

[Gudnib]

I like Eoin Doyle but it always seemed to be the case that giving a big money, three-year contract to a 32 year-old striker was a bit risky if you were trying to be sustainable. Didn't it coincide with the £5m government funded convertible COVID-based loan? I think it might have.

Always struck me as a way around the salary cap.

Doyle's wage demands (just top scored for a team promoted out of League 2) are X.

We are limited to offering Y.

Ok, we'll offer you Y over 3 years rather than 2.

The total cost of the contract should always be a major consideration irrespective of the salary cap but they would have to work within the salary cap too.

I had wondered where the money was coming from. I had a bit of an inkling but didn't really find out until the accounts were filed. Late!!!

[Gudnib]

I like Eoin Doyle but it always seemed to be the case that giving a big money, three-year contract to a 32 year-old striker was a bit risky if you were trying to be sustainable. Didn't it coincide with the £5m government funded convertible COVID-based loan? I think it might have.

Always struck me as a way around the salary cap.

Doyle's wage demands (just top scored for a team promoted out of League 2) are X.

We are limited to offering Y.

Ok, we'll offer you Y over 3 years rather than 2.

The total cost of the contract should always be a major consideration irrespective of the salary cap but they would have to work within the salary cap too.

I had wondered where the money was coming from. I had a bit of an inkling but didn't really find out until the accounts were filed. Late!!!

[BWFC_Insane]

Doyle has probably got to the age and form where it makes sense for him to go. No issue with that.

But his only replacement cannot be a 26 year old who has broken double figures in league football just once.

I’m sorry but that’s just expecting a miracle. Replace a regular every season double figures at least striker with a lad who has not played much league football and is 26.

If Doyle goes we need another and they need to have a more proven record of bagging goals otherwise it’s just very foolhardy and risky.

For all his faults Doyle has 7 this season and will if he played the second half break double figures again.

4 in the league, and only 1 from open play though, isn't it?

And? He’s got 7 goals. His record of goal scoring is also immense. His direct replacement being a 26 year old with one good league season would be hugely, hugely underwhelming and not far off an Anelka and Rasiak situation. Sure Charles could be a later bloomer. He might be a 20 goals a season man from now on. I’d question if he’s that good why even with the contract situation Accrington aren’t playing him. But still. It’s a ‘hope this works’ deal for me - as an addition is ok. As a replacement for the man who took us out of league two with his goals last season is a massive massive jump.

[truewhite15]

Doyle has probably got to the age and form where it makes sense for him to go. No issue with that.

But his only replacement cannot be a 26 year old who has broken double figures in league football just once.

I’m sorry but that’s just expecting a miracle. Replace a regular every season double figures at least striker with a lad who has not played much league football and is 26.

If Doyle goes we need another and they need to have a more proven record of bagging goals otherwise it’s just very foolhardy and risky.

For all his faults Doyle has 7 this season and will if he played the second half break double figures again.

4 in the league, and only 1 from open play though, isn't it?

And? He’s got 7 goals. His record of goal scoring is also immense. His direct replacement being a 26 year old with one good league season would be hugely, hugely underwhelming and not far off an Anelka and Rasiak situation. Sure Charles could be a later bloomer. He might be a 20 goals a season man from now on. I’d question if he’s that good why even with the contract situation Accrington aren’t playing him. But still. It’s a ‘hope this works’ deal for me - as an addition is ok. As a replacement for the man who took us out of league two with his goals last season is a massive massive jump.

Replacing a misfiring Doyle with an out-of-favour striker who has done the biz at this level before is IN NO WAY comparable with replacing an in-form Anelka with a never-had-it-never-will-have-it panic-buy Pole. Hyperbole alert.

[Bertie Wooster]

I think that there may be some truth in this rumour, and IMO it would be a good for both parties (a move back to Ireland for Doyle, and decent wages freed up for us to bring in a younger, better striker), as I think that Doyle is now sadly on the decline and is certainly mis firing - I also mean bring in another striker as well as Charles. He (Doyle) helped get us promoted last season but he misses far to many easy chances and we must be able to bring in a more clinical, younger finisher ?

Apparently Doyle knows the new manager well & responded to him being appointed on twitter on Dec 1 with a 'I'll book the ferry now !!' comment.

[BWFC_Insane]

Doyle has probably got to the age and form where it makes sense for him to go. No issue with that.

But his only replacement cannot be a 26 year old who has broken double figures in league football just once.

I’m sorry but that’s just expecting a miracle. Replace a regular every season double figures at least striker with a lad who has not played much league football and is 26.

If Doyle goes we need another and they need to have a more proven record of bagging goals otherwise it’s just very foolhardy and risky.

For all his faults Doyle has 7 this season and will if he played the second half break double figures again.

4 in the league, and only 1 from open play though, isn't it?

And? He’s got 7 goals. His record of goal scoring is also immense. His direct replacement being a 26 year old with one good league season would be hugely, hugely underwhelming and not far off an Anelka and Rasiak situation. Sure Charles could be a later bloomer. He might be a 20 goals a season man from now on. I’d question if he’s that good why even with the contract situation Accrington aren’t playing him. But still. It’s a ‘hope this works’ deal for me - as an addition is ok. As a replacement for the man who took us out of league two with his goals last season is a massive massive jump.

Replacing a misfiring Doyle with an out-of-favour striker who has done the biz at this level before is IN NO WAY comparable with replacing an in-form Anelka with a never-had-it-never-will-have-it panic-buy Pole. Hyperbole alert.

Rasiak had hit double figures in the championship a couple of times. Yes not in the premiership.

But Charles has had one decent season in league football.

So it’s not miles apart however you might want to paint it.

The possibility of Rasiak who had cost a couple of million quid in his last transfer stepping up for half a season in the premiership was remote but I’m not sure significantly more remote than Charles replacing a lad who has spent his career scoring goals in the bottom two divisions of the league pyramid.

[Prufrock]

Doyle has probably got to the age and form where it makes sense for him to go. No issue with that.

But his only replacement cannot be a 26 year old who has broken double figures in league football just once.

I’m sorry but that’s just expecting a miracle. Replace a regular every season double figures at least striker with a lad who has not played much league football and is 26.

If Doyle goes we need another and they need to have a more proven record of bagging goals otherwise it’s just very foolhardy and risky.

For all his faults Doyle has 7 this season and will if he played the second half break double figures again.

4 in the league, and only 1 from open play though, isn't it?

And? He’s got 7 goals. His record of goal scoring is also immense. His direct replacement being a 26 year old with one good league season would be hugely, hugely underwhelming and not far off an Anelka and Rasiak situation. Sure Charles could be a later bloomer. He might be a 20 goals a season man from now on. I’d question if he’s that good why even with the contract situation Accrington aren’t playing him. But still. It’s a ‘hope this works’ deal for me - as an addition is ok. As a replacement for the man who took us out of league two with his goals last season is a massive massive jump.

He's 28 until he's 29

The "and" is pretty obvious. When considering how good a striker is it's perfectly reasonable to discount penalties (which are a uniquely clear chance to score, and which you'd expect your second choice taker would be only slightly less likely to score) as the player not adding much value, and ditto goals in the nobody cares U23 piss take competition (and one of those was a penalty, so feck that sky-high).

I was perhaps a bit harsh in that one of the none open play goals was a v neat header from a corner. So in half a season, our main man has scored 2 league goals that weren't penalties. That's nowhere near good enough for me. If he was 28, then given his track record you'd be inclined to give him time to get it back. But at nearly 34 I'm more inclined to think that time and standard have caught up.

The Rasiak/Anelka comparison is ridiculous. I do agree that Charles as a straight swap is a gamble. But I thought Kachunga and Bakayoko have both looked at their best through the middle so I'd rather sign a winger to replace Doyle (assuming Charles is signed to play through the middle). I think we need to replace Doyle in the front three rather than as an out and out #9

[BWFC_Insane]

Doyle has probably got to the age and form where it makes sense for him to go. No issue with that.

But his only replacement cannot be a 26 year old who has broken double figures in league football just once.

I’m sorry but that’s just expecting a miracle. Replace a regular every season double figures at least striker with a lad who has not played much league football and is 26.

If Doyle goes we need another and they need to have a more proven record of bagging goals otherwise it’s just very foolhardy and risky.

For all his faults Doyle has 7 this season and will if he played the second half break double figures again.

4 in the league, and only 1 from open play though, isn't it?

And? He’s got 7 goals. His record of goal scoring is also immense. His direct replacement being a 26 year old with one good league season would be hugely, hugely underwhelming and not far off an Anelka and Rasiak situation. Sure Charles could be a later bloomer. He might be a 20 goals a season man from now on. I’d question if he’s that good why even with the contract situation Accrington aren’t playing him. But still. It’s a ‘hope this works’ deal for me - as an addition is ok. As a replacement for the man who took us out of league two with his goals last season is a massive massive jump.

He's 28 until he's 29

The "and" is pretty obvious. When considering how good a striker is it's perfectly reasonable to discount penalties (which are a uniquely clear chance to score, and which you'd expect your second choice taker would be only slightly less likely to score) as the player not adding much value, and ditto goals in the nobody cares U23 piss take competition (and one of those was a penalty, so feck that sky-high).

I was perhaps a bit harsh in that one of the none open play goals was a v neat header from a corner. So in half a season, our main man has scored 2 league goals that weren't penalties. That's nowhere near good enough for me. If he was 28, then given his track record you'd be inclined to give him time to get it back. But at nearly 34 I'm more inclined to think that time and standard have caught up.

The Rasiak/Anelka comparison is ridiculous. I do agree that Charles as a straight swap is a gamble. But I thought Kachunga and Bakayoko have both looked at their best through the middle so I'd rather sign a winger to replace Doyle (assuming Charles is signed to play through the middle). I think we need to replace Doyle in the front three rather than as an out and out #9

If you accept your premise that Doyle has finished or is struggling at this level. Then what we need to do is replace his goal potential. Last season he got 19. And if we are arguing he’s not good enough then for me the priority is a player who will score the sorts of goals he’s capable of or has been in the past.

I don’t mind Charles though the fee seems a bit high. But he’s not a replacement for Doyle just an addition. If Doyle goes we need another central striker with more proven track record in league one.