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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by ChrisC » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:19 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:I said this would happen a while ago. Teams above us have got limited squads so rely on the same players over and over again. We have a far stronger squad than they do, so as other teams start to falter due to fatigue, we can bring in quality like Wheater, Holden, Mark Davies, Medo, Sordell, who haven't played that many games this year or have had breaks.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us start to close the gap further. I wish we were playing better than we are but our squad depth might seem us conjure up a few more wins against tiring opposition.

So we are still shit and we fluked a 4-1 win today because poor old Hull were tired?

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by CAPSLOCK » Sat Feb 23, 2013 9:33 pm

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Feb 23, 2013 10:51 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:I said this would happen a while ago. Teams above us have got limited squads so rely on the same players over and over again. We have a far stronger squad than they do, so as other teams start to falter due to fatigue, we can bring in quality like Wheater, Holden, Mark Davies, Medo, Sordell, who haven't played that many games this year or have had breaks.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us start to close the gap further. I wish we were playing better than we are but our squad depth might seem us conjure up a few more wins against tiring opposition.
Beating second in the league, three up in seven minutes and winning 4-1? Gee, bring it on. Is that the same squad depth that some say are all crap anyway? "Get rid of the lot" was called for not long back. Steve Bruce must be wondering what hit him today.

Oh, and any particular reason they'll be more tired than us? Like we haven't played with the likes of Chungy, Holden and Wheater missing for endless months and Mills and Joe Riley currently injured in the bargain?
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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by SmokinFrazier » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:54 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:I said this would happen a while ago. Teams above us have got limited squads so rely on the same players over and over again. We have a far stronger squad than they do, so as other teams start to falter due to fatigue, we can bring in quality like Wheater, Holden, Mark Davies, Medo, Sordell, who haven't played that many games this year or have had breaks.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us start to close the gap further. I wish we were playing better than we are but our squad depth might seem us conjure up a few more wins against tiring opposition.
Beating second in the league, three up in seven minutes and winning 4-1? Gee, bring it on. Is that the same squad depth that some say are all crap anyway? "Get rid of the lot" was called for not long back. Steve Bruce must be wondering what hit him today.

Oh, and any particular reason they'll be more tired than us? Like we haven't played with the likes of Chungy, Holden and Wheater missing for endless months and Mills and Joe Riley currently injured in the bargain?
One performance isn't indicative that a team is playing well. QPR were on a horrible run, then they beat Chelsea 1-0 but would anyone say that the team had been playing well? Of course not. It was a good win for them, just like it's a good win for us, but we haven't been playing well at all. Unless you count sloppy defending, a lack of cohesion and creating very few attempts "playing well". In the previous four games, we were been incredibly poor but, thankfully, we got a good result today.

So, yes, I do wish we were playing better than we were. Could we have played better today? Maybe, but we couldn't have got a better result. Could we have played better in recent games? Absolutely, and anyone who suggests otherwise is being dishonest. Todays performance doesn't eradicate the previous patch of poor form.

Like I said though, I hope this game is a catalyst for us. Maybe this will finally give the players a boost they need and we start putting in these impressive performances more often. If we do, I'll be happy then, but I'm not happy about bad defending about going 45 minutes without any shot. Who would be?

Other teams have much less squad depth than us. Holden and Wheater aren't fully fit yet but they're great players to bring in when they are. They're not fatigued, tired players because they've played 40 times that year, so that's a bonus for us.

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:14 am

SmokinFrazier wrote: One performance isn't indicative that a team is playing well. QPR were on a horrible run, then they beat Chelsea 1-0 but would anyone say that the team had been playing well? Of course not. It was a good win for them, just like it's a good win for us, but we haven't been playing well at all. Unless you count sloppy defending, a lack of cohesion and creating very few attempts "playing well". In the previous four games, we were been incredibly poor but, thankfully, we got a good result today.

So, yes, I do wish we were playing better than we were. Could we have played better today? Maybe, but we couldn't have got a better result. Could we have played better in recent games? Absolutely, and anyone who suggests otherwise is being dishonest. Todays performance doesn't eradicate the previous patch of poor form.

Like I said though, I hope this game is a catalyst for us. Maybe this will finally give the players a boost they need and we start putting in these impressive performances more often. If we do, I'll be happy then, but I'm not happy about bad defending about going 45 minutes without any shot. Who would be?

Other teams have much less squad depth than us. Holden and Wheater aren't fully fit yet but they're great players to bring in when they are. They're not fatigued, tired players because they've played 40 times that year, so that's a bonus for us.
Impressive performances are fine if they result in the points. We've played decently before and lost, and badly and won. Like I said earlier, despite all the analysis and technical jargon, nothing gets remembered but the results. Today we got a good performance and a result. Cast your mind back a while to when we got wiped off the park by the other team from Manchester. They anailated us, rattled our wood work half a dozen times and lost to our one goal despite it all. Who worried about the performance? Certainly not me. If we win, that's great and all that matters; if we lose, who remembers how well we played?
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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by SmokinFrazier » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:36 am

TANGODANCER wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote: One performance isn't indicative that a team is playing well. QPR were on a horrible run, then they beat Chelsea 1-0 but would anyone say that the team had been playing well? Of course not. It was a good win for them, just like it's a good win for us, but we haven't been playing well at all. Unless you count sloppy defending, a lack of cohesion and creating very few attempts "playing well". In the previous four games, we were been incredibly poor but, thankfully, we got a good result today.

So, yes, I do wish we were playing better than we were. Could we have played better today? Maybe, but we couldn't have got a better result. Could we have played better in recent games? Absolutely, and anyone who suggests otherwise is being dishonest. Todays performance doesn't eradicate the previous patch of poor form.

Like I said though, I hope this game is a catalyst for us. Maybe this will finally give the players a boost they need and we start putting in these impressive performances more often. If we do, I'll be happy then, but I'm not happy about bad defending about going 45 minutes without any shot. Who would be?

Other teams have much less squad depth than us. Holden and Wheater aren't fully fit yet but they're great players to bring in when they are. They're not fatigued, tired players because they've played 40 times that year, so that's a bonus for us.
Impressive performances are fine if they result in the points. We've played decently before and lost, and badly and won. Like I said earlier, despite all the analysis and technical jargon, nothing gets remembered but the results. Today we got a good performance and a result. Cast your mind back a while to when we got wiped off the park by the other team from Manchester. They anailated us, rattled our wood work half a dozen times and lost to our one goal despite it all. Who worried about the performance? Certainly not me. If we win, that's great and all that matters; if we lose, who remembers how well we played?
Of course, but the better you play, the more results you should get. In some games, you can play brilliantly and lose, and in others, you might play terribly and win 3-0. That's just the nature of the game, but generally, the better a team plays, the more results you should get.

I was happy with us today. However, I think if we can improve our movement going forward and I think we get a bit more structured defensively, this sort of result and performance will be the norm rather than the exception. I think we're capable of playing like this every week too, and if we can do that, we'll pick up plenty of points. It's what we all want to see and I know we have a squad capable of doing that.

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by Bruce Rioja » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:06 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:we got a good performance and a result.
We got a result, that much is true.
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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by Annoyed Grunt » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:10 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:we got a good performance and a result.
We got a result, that much is true.
The first ten minutes, best we've played for a long time....the other 80......meh.

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:57 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:we got a good performance and a result.
We got a result, that much is true.
I stand corrected.
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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by 89bwfc89 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:32 pm

I can't believe we scored 4 goals and conceded 1 from an unlucky deflection and still people are saying we didn't perform well.

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by bobo the clown » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:38 pm

89bwfc89 wrote:I can't believe we scored 4 goals and conceded 1 from an unlucky deflection and still people are saying we didn't perform well.
Ah .... "people who know football".
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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by seanworth » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:51 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
89bwfc89 wrote:I can't believe we scored 4 goals and conceded 1 from an unlucky deflection and still people are saying we didn't perform well.
Ah .... "people who know football".
Hey leave me out of it.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:36 am

I notice we're now above Burnley.

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by ChrisC » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:52 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:I notice we're now above Burnley.

Sean Dyche in anyone?????????????
Wins are as rare as seeing BL3 on here lately.. No win in 6 for Burnley.

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by Enoch » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:19 pm

The fickle nature of a football manager's fortunes, mind you, 'Barnsley's new manager' is still doing ok.

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Cracking result at Bristol City
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Post by Enoch » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:08 pm

You can't win 'em all!

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by Peter Thompson » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:28 pm

Credit to DF - 3 on the spin....it's too late IMO for the play off's but if this carries on for a few more games, we'll be in good shape next season and will have a better chance of getting promoted.

All that chopping and changing every week though earlier in the season from DF didn't work - it's good to see he's playing a more settled side now who are gaining confidence from playing together and a run in the side.

Dawson has made a huge difference, as has dropping Kevin Davies, it's always better playing with 11 men than 10. I still wasn't sure about Freedman until very recently but he seems to have turned a corner - he's somehow got the players confident, together & fighting with a spirit that we haven't had in a few years and he's now managed to put a smile or two on the faces of the long suffering fans who now believe that perhaps he is the man to get us promoted next season....

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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by Bruce Rioja » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:35 pm

He still hasn't sorted the defence out though, and for as long as he continues to play Knight I'm convinced he never will.
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Re: Dougie Freedman - New Manager

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Mar 02, 2013 5:39 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:He still hasn't sorted the defence out though, and for as long as he continues to play Knight I'm convinced he never will.
Since Dawson came in we've conceded an average of bang on 1 goal a game. Going in the right direction you could say....

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