A letter to Owen Coyle

[Choppers]

Fair enough, I just feel Davo & Jussi are Bolton through & through. Speculation with the others I guess.

No such thing.

The right offer and the right coin, and they'd be gone like a shot.

[truewhite15]

Fair enough, I just feel Davo & Jussi are Bolton through & through. Speculation with the others I guess.

No such thing.

The right offer and the right coin, and they'd be gone like a shot.

You think. The truth is, none of us can say for certain. If there is such a thing as loyalty in football (and I happen to think that in some players, there is) then Jussi and Davo are loyal.

[Armchair Wanderer]

These days it probably depends who their agent is.

If leaving means more money, bigger stadiums, bigger crowds, more trophies, Champions League, more international football, more endorsements, etc then is it loyalty or stupidity to stay put?

Normally when they leave it's to Blackburn or Middlesbrough, in that case it's disloyalty and stupidity

[Athers]

I imagine for the most part the players are disappointed for themselves and each other rather than the fans, after all they are a group who've been working & training together a while now; whatever field you're in you share in a big disappointment with your mates/colleagues.

1) We know that the emotion between fan and team is mainly a one way street.

2) We know that football has a tendency to cause heartbreak & disappointment.

[Il Pirate]

They won't be anywhere near as upset as we are and they never will.

What bollocks..... They're professionals and will be hurting and be as embarassed as the rest of us

[BL3]

The following was sent to Phil Gartside, he responded within a minute.

That'll probably be an auto response he's set up to prevent people sending him that sort of drivel.

[Choppers]

You think. The truth is, none of us can say for certain. If there is such a thing as loyalty in football (and I happen to think that in some players, there is) then Jussi and Davo are loyal.

I thought Nolan was "loyal".

It's a job nowadays, not something they do for love.

[Tombwfc]

I know it's different, but if your Sunday side got to a Cup final, completely didn't turn up and got dicked 5-0, you'd be gutted and embarrassed. You can love your football and be passionate about doing well without being a die-hard fan of the club you play for.

I've no doubt they're devastated, just for different reasons. Wandering around on that pitch for 60 mins in front of 70,000 and millions on TV, knowing you'd fecked it all up can't have been fun.

I thought Nolan was "loyal".

It's a job nowadays, not something they do for love.

Nolan never put in a transfer request, or asked to leave. We accepted a bid for him. The fans thought he was a fat nice person stealing a living. Where was our loyalty?

[TANGODANCER]

Fair enough, I just feel Davo & Jussi are Bolton through & through. Speculation with the others I guess.

No such thing.
The right offer and the right coin, and they'd be gone like a shot.

In both cases they've been here a long time and are both approaching the twilight of their careers. How settled they and their families are plus what contracts they are offered by the club will have a bearing. For me, both will end their playing careers here. Might be wrong but I doubt it.

[TANGODANCER]

Nolan never put in a transfer request, or asked to leave. We accepted a bid for him. The fans thought he was a fat tw*t stealing a living. Where was our loyalty?

Very true. Decent player I wish we still had on the books.

[Beefheart]

Nolan never put in a transfer request, or asked to leave. We accepted a bid for him. The fans thought he was a fat tw*t stealing a living. Where was our loyalty?

Very true. Decent player I wish we still had on the books.

I think it was a catch 22 situation, he needed championship level football to find his form, he wasn't going to get that here. At the time 4m seemed a good deal from our point of view, but now he's scoring in the prem again there seems to have been a revisionist view and we should have kept hold of him.

[Tombwfc]

I'm not saying we shouldn't have sold him, just that it's a bit rich to slag him off for a lack of loyalty. Infact, it's ridiculous.

Same with Jussi. How can anybody question his loyalty when half the board thinks he's past it and we should ditch him for Al Habsi? To a lesser extent, same goes for Davies.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I know it's different, but if your Sunday side got to a Cup final, completely didn't turn up and got dicked 5-0, you'd be gutted and embarrassed. You can love your football and be passionate about doing well without being a die-hard fan of the club you play for.

I've no doubt they're devastated, just for different reasons. Wandering around on that pitch for 60 mins in front of 70,000 and millions on TV, knowing you'd fecked it all up can't have been fun.

Yeah, I've been thinking that. There simply is no comparison in (I would guess) any of our professional lives for how gapingly, horribly, publicly wrong they got it. I know I've had bad days at the office, and I know I've f*cked things up, but this was on a different level. The nearest comparison I could possibly imagine is a newsreader deciding to ditch the script and start reciting the Marquis de Sade.

[Hoboh]

I know it's different, but if your Sunday side got to a Cup final, completely didn't turn up and got dicked 5-0, you'd be gutted and embarrassed. You can love your football and be passionate about doing well without being a die-hard fan of the club you play for.

I've no doubt they're devastated, just for different reasons. Wandering around on that pitch for 60 mins in front of 70,000 and millions on TV, knowing you'd fecked it all up can't have been fun.

I thought Nolan was "loyal".

It's a job nowadays, not something they do for love.

Nolan never put in a transfer request, or asked to leave. We accepted a bid for him. The fans thought he was a fat tw*t stealing a living. Where was our loyalty?

I'd forgotton that, its cheered me up as that

[officer_dibble]

tell you what if he read that in a minute he's some reader!

I reckon it was an out of office...

[Lord Kangana]

I know it's different, but if your Sunday side got to a Cup final, completely didn't turn up and got dicked 5-0, you'd be gutted and embarrassed. You can love your football and be passionate about doing well without being a die-hard fan of the club you play for.

I've no doubt they're devastated, just for different reasons. Wandering around on that pitch for 60 mins in front of 70,000 and millions on TV, knowing you'd fecked it all up can't have been fun.

Yeah, I've been thinking that. There simply is no comparison in (I would guess) any of our professional lives for how gapingly, horribly, publicly wrong they got it. I know I've had bad days at the office, and I know I've f*cked things up, but this was on a different level. The nearest comparison I could possibly imagine is a newsreader deciding to ditch the script and start reciting the Marquis de Sade.

People can get terribly upset when they don't like their food. Some take it as a personal slight.

To the point of refusing to pay and insulting staff.

So it is interesting, because would you be happy to pay for a meal in advance unsure as to what exactly you were going to get? (Something a little bit more than McDonalds, mind).

[keveh]

The first post would have been great as one of our front page articles, I'm afraid it will probably fall on deaf ears at the club. The complaint letters have probably reached their thousands already, from the simple to the most articulate.

[officer_dibble]

Not sure about thousands Keveh but yeah I imagine its been diluted somewhat...I've penned my own in my head before now before seeing sense. Its part of the grieving procedure!

[ohjimmyjimmy]

I doubt it was an auto-response given the reply was '-Thanks my feelings too safely on its way to Owen - Phil Gartside' - cos then that would be a response to a letter where somebody is ranting and raving how sh*t the manager was and that he's a knobhead and should be strung up by his knackers and every man woman & child in bolton should be able to walk up to him with a cricket bat and shove the thick end up his jacksy...

'thanks, my feelings too, safely on its way to Owen'

[Worthy4England]

I won't be happy until Steinsson has paid for my pint in Wembley. Then I'll forgive.

Robbo bought you a few, but then he passed them to the wrong person.