Is there anyone now who wouldn't sack him?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

For me, the difference with Coyle over Megson is that I WANTED Megson to be sacked... I don't WANT Coyle to be sacked.

the tipping point for me was this Villa game... at home - perfect opportunity.. thrown away without a whimper and with seemingly no heart for the fight... a sad day indeed...

Excellent points and the parts in Bold just about sums it up for me also

Indeed. I said on Saturday that it's a melancholy feeling, like the end of a relationship you really wanted to work. We're now at the point where the other person is in tears on the floor crying "I can change". Sadly, Owen, it seems you can't. Better for both now to go our separate ways.

No, really: better for him. If he takes us down in a Derby-diabolical way, the whiff will linger longer than if he walks now with head held high; next time he's up for a job people would remember his BWFC spell for the FA Cup semi (and perception of good football) rather than the almost total whitewash since. Just for the record: since that semi-final, we've played 21 games, winning four and losing the other 17. That's 0.57ppg, and that's a return reminiscent of another idealist former Wanderer I wanted to see succeed. I haven't lost faith in idealism, I just need it tempered with realism.

[thebish]

Glee? You're not very good at reading people. Glee? feck off.

I won't "feck off" if you don't mind...

but - like it or not - it IS kinda how you come across - gleefully telling everyone how you told them (the "dickheads") so and how you predicted it all and how you knew it would happen - endlessly repeating the same points on thread after thread. The way it comes across, you DO seem to enjoy wallowing in it. I can only report what I see...

[BWFC_Insane]

Glee? You're not very good at reading people. Glee? feck off.

I won't "feck off" if you don't mind...

but - like it or not - it IS kinda how you come across - gleefully telling everyone how you told them (the "dickheads") so and how you predicted it all and how you knew it would happen - endlessly repeating the same points on thread after thread. The way it comes across, you DO seem to enjoy wallowing in it. I can only report what I see...

Don't enjoy it, it's more like exorcism of the frustration!

[thebish]

Glee? You're not very good at reading people. Glee? feck off.

I won't "feck off" if you don't mind...

but - like it or not - it IS kinda how you come across - gleefully telling everyone how you told them (the "dickheads") so and how you predicted it all and how you knew it would happen - endlessly repeating the same points on thread after thread. The way it comes across, you DO seem to enjoy wallowing in it. I can only report what I see...

Don't enjoy it, it's more like exorcism of the frustration!

if you don't enjoy it - can I politely suggest doing summat else for a while? summat you do enjoy?

[Prufrock]

BWFCi is pissed off because he invested so much in Mr Coyle. It isn't that long we were being told he was the best manager we'd ever had, better than Allardyce, and destined for Champions League football. I certainly don't think he is enjoying this, but the level of vitriol is astonishing from somebody who was in the sensible camp on Ginge (I mean sensible not in whether he was a good manager, but whether or not he personally wished him harm!).

[BWFC_Insane]

BWFCi is pissed off because he invested so much in Mr Coyle. It isn't that long we were being told he was the best manager we'd ever had, better than Allardyce, and destined for Champions League football. I certainly don't think he is enjoying this, but the level of vitriol is astonishing from somebody who was in the sensible camp on Ginge (I mean sensible not in whether he was a good manager, but whether or not he personally wished him harm!).

Just pure frustration.

In the cold light of day you sit down and re-assess.

In the heat of the moment you lose a bit of reason. Well I certainly do.

My main frustration is that with Megson there was at least the relief folk got from shouting for his head and the belief that a new man would rejuvenate us. Now it seems like everyone accepts we are doomed rather than expecting the club to do something about the abject failure we are having to endure.

[Lord Kangana]

Megson had the money. Coyle doesn't.

Coyle gave us one good season. Or 3/4 of one anyway. Megson didn't.

He's bought the goodwill.

[BWFC_Insane]

Megson had the money. Coyle doesn't.

Coyle gave us one good season. Or 3/4 of one anyway. Megson didn't.

He's bought the goodwill.

Coyle has the same players though, and has been able to add plenty. His signings haven't been good enough. Even the 4M one or the winger on top wages.

He may not have had the same amount, but as I've shown he's not had to buy as much because he had the basics already here.

As for buying goodwill, some of that is true. But this is the worst run in over 100 years, goodwill ran out some time ago.

There is definitely something that has happened within the club though, because last season for large parts e squad seemed together, and played as a unit.

Since Wembley there has been far more limp, uninterested performances than real committed displays. I'd love to know what happened....

[officer_dibble]

When I look back on it all it will still be Wembley that pisses me off the most - we were always going to get relegated at some point but 0-5 in a semi, f*ck me that's special

[Lord Kangana]

I know, its a decade since we've been to Wembley.

Lord knows when we'll get back there.

[officer_dibble]

play offs at some point no doubt
lord knows which ones though! we've always been a team associated with play offs though

[One Hump Or Two?]

What's the Sherpa Van trophy called nowadays? Do they still have it?

[EagleEye]

I don't think there is anyone who could be brought in that would be able to fix the problems and save the club from going down. The team has been in decline for years and I think staving off relegation for so long has been an achievement in itself.
Last season I think the squad as a whole was pretty poor. To get that squad so high up the table in the early part of the season was a minor miracle but it seemed to be based on everything going right and a few players who were instrumental keeping things going nicely.
It was only ever going to be a fragile thing and sure enough in the second half of the season the team went back to the appropriate level. It was almost certainly an over-achievement rather than the current plight being an underachievement.
The club is where it was almost destined to be. Money is probably the biggest issue because no matter which manager comes in there's never really going to be much to work with. Signings like Pratley are exactly what happen when a team is on a budget and the majority of signings are gambles which, for a team that is struggling, rarely pay off.

Tactically Coyle might be naive, perhaps his training methods aren't great either, but you'd expect professional footballers to do much better than what is currently being served up. It doesn't seem to matter which players are sent out onto the pitch, the results still seem to be the same.

Part of me thinks that this is just the nature of football. Some clubs just can't sustain themselves in the top flight for a long period of time and perhaps Bolton's time is up.

I do wonder whether relegation now would be better for the club, rather than desperately trying to maintain top flight status and risking an even bigger disaster further down the line which could seriously threaten the club.

I think Coyle should stay, if only because he's worked a minor miracle before in getting many of these players to play above their capabilities and I live in hope that somehow he'll be able to turn things around. Really though I'm just apathetic, because I think nothing will make a difference and the club is already as good as down.

[BWFC_Insane]

When we go down there is more chance that we will not see the club back in the premiership in our lifetimes than there is we will go straight back up IMO.

But the apathetic 'ah well if we go down least we might win some' attitude that prevails worries me far more than anything else.

Let's hope we still have a club in a few years time eh? And watching us play in front of 10 thousand on a cold Tuesday night against Doncaster at the Reebok will get old very quick!

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

When I look back on it all it will still be Wembley that pisses me off the most - we were always going to get relegated at some point but 0-5 in a semi, f*ck me that's special

this times a million.
knee jerked at the time that the majority of those 11 should never play for the club again
doesn't look such a bad shout now