The club has given up...

[ohjimmyjimmy]

There you go DSB, you can change your magazine name to Four Two Two Two !

[boltonboris]

basically 4222 is a widely used formation by teams like brazil / arsenal

it consists of

rb cb cb lb
cdm cdm
ram lam
st st


basically we would likely use our defence to win the ball and our midfield to pass it and our strikers to kick it into the net i know these new fangled formations are a bit mutch for you lads that think a cf is a striker a winger acam and a cf all in 1 but lets be honest footballs a very diferent game now.

for help i have found a website with modern football formations dumbed down for you heres a link to 4222

http://www.soccer-training-guide.com/4222.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


being that we have eagles petrov davies cyl holden kakuta tuncay who all play the ram or lam roles im sure this would be usefull as a formation choice for us being we need to shore up the defence while keeping some attacking form.

So.............


Pretty much the same system that is failing us now?

Unless you mean..

There is also the 4-2-2-2 formation, as regularly used used by the Brazil team. This is like a 4-4-2 but all 4 midfielders play narrow with 2 attacking midfielders in front of 2 defensive midfielders.

It relies on attacking full backs (such as Roberto Carlos and Cafu) for width. It can be useful for accommodating a wealth of creativity whilst also keeping things compact.

That I pulled from that link you provided..

I've highlighted all the problems with US playing that system..

[thebish]

am I the only one who doesn't buy this "club has given up" theory?

it's bollox!

[boltonboris]

No, you're not..

[thebish]

good!

[BWFC_Insane]

good!

What are they doing about the worst run of form in over 100 years then? Apart from trying the same things that have been failing them in over the past 6 months?

[boltonboris]

I do agree with them, that we're shit though

[bobo the clown]

But U have to say that, listening to that interview live on Saturday it did seem that Coyle had given up. Depressed after another poor performance & defeat OK, but he simply had no fight left in him.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

I think he knows he's tried everything..and has no clue what to do next.

[Armchair Wanderer]

I think he knows he's tried everything..and has no clue what to do next.

Bingo!

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Nothing that a bit more ping pong cant sort.

[thebish]

saying we are shit or that Coyle is a crap manager is not the same as saying the whole club has given up.

[boltonboris]

I never it was squire...

What I was saying, is: Yes, we're woefully shit. But I don't think we've given up (yet)

[Armchair Wanderer]

saying we are shit or that Coyle is a crap manager is not the same as saying the whole club has given up.

We're shit and the club can't/won't/isn't going to do anything about it... i.e. has given up.

[thebish]

saying we are shit or that Coyle is a crap manager is not the same as saying the whole club has given up.

We're shit and the club can't/won't/isn't going to do anything about it... i.e. has given up.

I think what you mean is that the club doesn't appear to be doing what you want them to do at the time you want them to.. which isn't the same as the club giving up. My guess is that Phil and Eddie have a whole lot more at stake in this even than BWFCi.

[Prufrock]

basically 4222 is a widely used formation by teams like brazil / arsenal

it consists of

rb cb cb lb
cdm cdm
ram lam
st st


basically we would likely use our defence to win the ball and our midfield to pass it and our strikers to kick it into the net i know these new fangled formations are a bit mutch for you lads that think a cf is a striker a winger acam and a cf all in 1 but lets be honest footballs a very diferent game now.

for help i have found a website with modern football formations dumbed down for you heres a link to 4222

http://www.soccer-training-guide.com/4222.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


being that we have eagles petrov davies cyl holden kakuta tuncay who all play the ram or lam roles im sure this would be usefull as a formation choice for us being we need to shore up the defence while keeping some attacking form.

So.............


Pretty much the same system that is failing us now?

Unless you mean..

There is also the 4-2-2-2 formation, as regularly used used by the Brazil team. This is like a 4-4-2 but all 4 midfielders play narrow with 2 attacking midfielders in front of 2 defensive midfielders.

It relies on attacking full backs (such as Roberto Carlos and Cafu) for width. It can be useful for accommodating a wealth of creativity whilst also keeping things compact.

That I pulled from that link you provided..

I've highlighted all the problems with US playing that system..

How did it go last time Brazil used it anyway? The Ronaldo, Robinho, Kaka, Ronaldinho dream front four....

Game has moved on. To play 4-4-2 at all you next very good, mobile, athletic central midfielders, say Muamba and Holden, and a striker who gets involved deeper, say or Rooney, or if you can't afford him, an Elmander. If you don't have that you definitely need pace up, say a Sturridge.

I think he kept his face straight though...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

We have a surfeit of players whose best position is the one between midfield and attack. Mark Davies, Martin Petrov, Chris Eagles, Darren Pratley, Gael Kakuta, Tuncay Sanli - these are all players whose skillsets are best suited to being "between the lines", attacking midfielders, trequartistas, deep-lying forwards, whatever you want to call it - finding space and creating chances. Some are busier than others and will get in the way - which is fine, it's all Allardyce told Okocha to do when we didn't have possession – but none can tackle. So in effect they're not midfielders, and they're certainly not the folks you want directly in front of your defence without the security of a couple of diligent ball-winners like Holden, Muamba or Reo-Coker. Or, in the last game, any.

Which only renders even more frustrating Coyle's utter failure to adopt a more sophisticated system than 4-4-2 (swapping wingers doesn't count).

[Horza]

I'm trying to think of equivalents for his obsession with pure 442 - all I've managed is a movie producer who thinks da yoof want more Schwarzenegger action comedies.

[mrpiccollo]

basically 4222 is a widely used formation by teams like brazil / arsenal

it consists of

rb cb cb lb
cdm cdm
ram lam
st st


basically we would likely use our defence to win the ball and our midfield to pass it and our strikers to kick it into the net i know these new fangled formations are a bit mutch for you lads that think a cf is a striker a winger acam and a cf all in 1 but lets be honest footballs a very diferent game now.

for help i have found a website with modern football formations dumbed down for you heres a link to 4222

http://www.soccer-training-guide.com/4222.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


being that we have eagles petrov davies cyl holden kakuta tuncay who all play the ram or lam roles im sure this would be usefull as a formation choice for us being we need to shore up the defence while keeping some attacking form.

So.............


Pretty much the same system that is failing us now?

Unless you mean..

There is also the 4-2-2-2 formation, as regularly used used by the Brazil team. This is like a 4-4-2 but all 4 midfielders play narrow with 2 attacking midfielders in front of 2 defensive midfielders.

It relies on attacking full backs (such as Roberto Carlos and Cafu) for width. It can be useful for accommodating a wealth of creativity whilst also keeping things compact.

That I pulled from that link you provided..

I've highlighted all the problems with US playing that system..

How did it go last time Brazil used it anyway? The Ronaldo, Robinho, Kaka, Ronaldinho dream front four....

Game has moved on. To play 4-4-2 at all you next very good, mobile, athletic central midfielders, say Muamba and Holden, and a striker who gets involved deeper, say or Rooney, or if you can't afford him, an Elmander. If you don't have that you definitely need pace up, say a Sturridge.

I think he kept his face straight though...

In all honestly i dont expect us to play like brazil but this suggestion was focused on us utilising our strongest lineup while keeping attack and defence fairly strong

if i were bolton manager using this formation i.e. 4222 id line them up something like this

gk jussi /bogdan

rb steinsson / boyata
cb cahill /boyata
cb knight / wheater
lb robbo / gardener

cdm muamba
cdm reocoker

ram eagles/ either davies (if skd it would be akin to how bigsam used him nock ball to him have him holdup play and focus on rightsided dominance for attacks)
lam eagles / tuncay / petrov / kakauta / davies(mark) personally wouldent use petrov or kakuta much here as i feel there creativity is lacking due to confidence

st klasnic all day he should be in hes our main goalscoring threat
st ngog (the pace you talked about) skd (we know what he adds)/ tuncay(creativity possibly :p)

its all situational of course but really kinda feel it suits alot of our team being that we can change it hugely by for example switching wingers and having our more defnsive players playing attacking mid roles too (skd) tbh still can hardly belive were doing so poorly this year its just conusing

[One Hump Or Two?]

We have a surfeit of players whose best position is the one between midfield and attack. Mark Davies, Martin Petrov, Chris Eagles, Darren Pratley, Gael Kakuta, Tuncay Sanli - these are all players whose skillsets are best suited to being "between the lines", attacking midfielders, trequartistas, deep-lying forwards, whatever you want to call it -

You used the words "Pratley" and "skillsets" in the same sentence. BZZZZZ. Thanks for trying, next caller please.