How many points will it take to stay up?

[BWFC_Insane]

how many points we guna get outa next 5 games? zero or 1

Zero.

And we'll be lucky to get that.....

[CAPSLOCK]

35-37 to stay up

[RedStarBelgrade]

If we can't be better than Wolves,Blackburn and Wigan,than we are not worthy of playing in PL.

But I'm sure we'll get more than nothing from the next three games.

Guess we must win half of the remaining games to stay up.Not impossible,but the schedule destroyed us this season.

[trotterjay]

35-37 to stay up

Agree with this 37 will keep us up this season and it is definatly not out of our reach. Hopefully a new signing or two on the way!

[aussie_wanderer]

or 3 or 4

[officer_dibble]

if we cant take a point or two from the next few matches we dont deserve to stay up anyway. Every other team in the league competes against the big teams, why shouldnt we?

[a1]

if we cant take a point or two from the next few matches we dont deserve to stay up anyway. Every other team in the league competes against the big teams, why shouldnt we?

every other team gets a fecking breather between the "big team" games.

we get them in consecutive weeks..

[Prufrock]

Not sure about take a point, but we'd better fecking compete.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

every other team gets a fecking breather between the "big team" games.

we get them in consecutive weeks..

We played Chelsea on Oct 2nd, more than three months ago. Since then we've got 13 points in 13 league games. Hardly gulping in the fresh air.

[Salford Trotter]

You'd like to believe that with a change to a more compact and defensively minded 4-5-1 that we'll have a better second half of the season than we did the first so we can get to 30+ points but our home form will be the key to staying up.

[a1]

We played Chelsea on Oct 2nd, more than three months ago. Since then we've got 13 points in 13 league games. Hardly gulping in the fresh air.

yeah, but the previous five-or-six weeks seemed to be - united , liverpool , city , arsenal , tottenham etc.

i'd back them to "take points of the big teams" if the these games werent clumped together.

theyre ,say, never eight week apart- united , six games, chelsea, six more games, arsenal , etc.

this wedge of big teams games is just in time for their big bucks new january signings to hit the ground running and replace their injured multi million pound players. just like the last wedge was when they all had full strength teams.

its no fun not pickin' up points for a month or more coz the fixture list was designed to feck us over.

36 points* we'll never even get a sniff of because of how and when the games are laid out. not to mention how it might affect (or did affect) the 'easier' following games coz getting beat becomes a habbit.

bastards

* yeah, i know its not two groups of six games each, but it feels like it...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Last time I looked everybody plays each other twice. If there's a hard run then there must be an easier run. My point is, we've averaged 1ppg since the Chelsea bumming.

the fixture list was designed to feck us over.

Are you really claiming conspiracy? 'Cos that's a hell of a conversation-ender.

[a1]

yeah, but i were giving a possible reason for "we dont take points of the big teams anymore" - that we seem to play them consecutively (or near to it). i know the fixture list not "random" , but at least make it look somewhat so.

i dont have it to hand now but i had a fixture paper with everyones fixtures on , and ours was one of (or The) most cramped when "top six" teams were involved..

i seem to remember some allardyce season , and one of the megson seasons were similarly this "big team fixtures all next to one another" .

conversely "the everyone play everyone twice" thing makes me think why they dont have it so a team plays another team twice in 8 days. and have that happen so that way is more the norm.
if that happened folk would make similar "conspiracy" noises.

i'd be more happy if it were really random.

bet you carnt get much money on "bolton to get no more points in january" at some bookmakers.

good job they beat everton.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Anelka's rag-buster aside, we didn't take many points off the big boys under the last manager whether we played them in a rush or at leisure.

I can see where you're going that a bad run against the biggies begets fearful failure against the also-rans. My point is that we're only just scraping the minimum relegation-avoiding 1ppg even *discounting* the big'uns.

I don't think there's any way that the fixtures can be organised that suits everyone. If it were completely random, nearby clubs would clash and there'd be massive problems with policing and (arguably) reduced attendance. So there's an element of organisation, but I think it's several steps too far to cry conspiracy.

It's interesting (relatively) that the PL have recently gone to a system where the same teams play each other in related 'rounds' - so when we do our return game against QPR the other opening-day fixtures will be played elsewhere (Arsenal-Newcastle, etc).

For the record, back in the day teams frequently played 'double-headers' against each other. People didn't like that either - if a star player was injured you could pick up four easy points - and I certainly wouldn't have liked us to have our September schedule mirrored in October!

[a1]

It's interesting (relatively) that the PL have recently gone to a system where the same teams play each other in related 'rounds' - so when we do our return game against QPR the other opening-day fixtures will be played elsewhere (Arsenal-Newcastle, etc).

didnt know that.

or even notice it when i were going thru it all with a felt pen going "shit , they jipping us big style with that september fixture run. the bastards"

:/

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It's interesting (relatively) that the PL have recently gone to a system where the same teams play each other in related 'rounds' - so when we do our return game against QPR the other opening-day fixtures will be played elsewhere (Arsenal-Newcastle, etc).

didnt know that.

or even notice it when i were going thru it all with a felt pen going "shit , they jipping us big style with that september fixture run. the bastards"

:/

It's not a perfect mirror in that the 20th round of games matches the 1st, the 21st the 2nd, etc - but they do work out as "second legs".

[officer_dibble]

still, fixture computer out

[Prufrock]

[officer_dibble]

good win for swansea today...

[thebish]

'tis on TalkSport - so it must be true,

and 'tis Colin Todd - so must be doubly true!

Former Bolton Wanderers boss Colin Todd has told talkSPORT that the club ARE in crisis – but he insists manager Owen Coyle can save them from relegation.

The Trotters have made a woeful start to their Premier League campaign, losing 14 out of their 20 games so far this season, conceding 43 goals along the way.

And Todd, who managed the Lancashire outfit from 1995-1999, feels that despite the impending loss of defender Gary Cahill to Chelsea, the club can survive what looks to be a gruelling relegation battle.

He told the Weekend Sports Breakfast: “I was at Bolton when [Owen Coyle] was a player and his enthusiasm is tremendous but this is a new crisis, it is a little bit of a crisis, but in management you have to deal with it. Whatever is thrown at you, you have to deal with it in the best possible way.

“The one thing in [Bolton’s] favour is that, apart from the disappointing BWFCi, the supporters haven’t turned. They’ve had a very disappointing season but if you look at some of the other clubs, especially Blackburn, supporters have turned [against the club] and that doesn’t help the players.

“The crowd are right behind them and they feel they have a good chance of escaping but it’s a tall order. There are a lot of clubs in that battle for survival and I use the word survival because that’s what it is, it means such a lot.

“I think credit to Owen, he’s kept going, kept positive and he’s continued to try to play in the right manner that he has done since he’s been at Bolton.

“The players are behind him which is another good thing. It’s a new experience for him but I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he will come through and the club will survive.”