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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by Tals-biggest-fan » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:50 am

Well according to twitter, Alonso and Wylde have built up a good friendship with each other which can only bode well for us, it looks like they're trying to stake a claim to being our starting left sided players!
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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by wanderers_on_tour » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:58 am

Tals-biggest-fan wrote:Well according to twitter, Alonso and Wylde have built up a good friendship with each other which can only bode well for us, it looks like they're trying to stake a claim to being our starting left sided players!
And both making a good shot of it too! Still think Alonso is second to mr consistent Sam Ricketts at the moment but he is going in the right direction. Likewise Wylde also gets pipped by Petrov at current (our best player imo) but both players and both positions bode well for the future, interesting to see which 2 start towards the tail end of this season.

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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:46 am

Alonso is shite.

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Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Aug 02, 2012 9:07 am

Progress from Robinson then. Slow, but still progress.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:40 am

View from the other side: the Lancaster Guardian describes us as "slick" and "devastating" en route to a "comfortable victory" with Eagles' "excellent display" making him the "star".

Question: Looks like nobody has mentioned Vela, who played the full 90: was he average, absent, quietly competent? Would you be happy with him in a starting berth at Burnley?

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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by wanderers_on_tour » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:47 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:View from the other side: the Lancaster Guardian describes us as "slick" and "devastating" en route to a "comfortable victory" with Eagles' "excellent display" making him the "star".

Question: Looks like nobody has mentioned Vela, who played the full 90: was he average, absent, quietly competent? Would you be happy with him in a starting berth at Burnley?

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I thought Vela came off at half time for Mark Davies although I could be wrong?? Know Andrews was subbed for O'Halloran to go 4-4-2 in the second but not 100% on Vela.

Judging by the first half i'd go quietly competent. As with Mills I didn't really notice him do anything outstanding but also never put a foot wrong. It's obvious from the few games we've seen of him that Vela has the eye for a pass but what makes him special is how he doesn't force anything and is at ease moving the ball from side to side.

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Post by Leyther_Matt » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:27 pm

Vela went off for Mark Davies at half-time, you're right. Speaking of whom, Davies (M) seems to have put on a fair bit of timber over the summer?
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:10 pm

Leyther_Matt wrote:Vela went off for Mark Davies at half-time, you're right. Speaking of whom, Davies (M) seems to have put on a fair bit of timber over the summer?
Ah yes - I was going off the Lancaster report, which had Pratley replaced by Mavies. Did I read somewhere that Mavies had been fined for returning for pre-season overweight?

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Post by Leyther_Matt » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:12 pm

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Leyther_Matt wrote:Vela went off for Mark Davies at half-time, you're right. Speaking of whom, Davies (M) seems to have put on a fair bit of timber over the summer?
Ah yes - I was going off the Lancaster report, which had Pratley replaced by Mavies. Did I read somewhere that Mavies had been fined for returning for pre-season overweight?
Looking at the size of him, I can believe it. Not exactly Jardel but certainly noticeable, to me at least.
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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:13 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Progress from Robinson then. Slow, but still progress.
Robinson will have enjoyed a far more sucessfull career than Alonso will.

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:31 pm

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Lord Kangana wrote:Progress from Robinson then. Slow, but still progress.
Robinson will have enjoyed a far more sucessfull career than Alonso will.
I think that that depends on the outcome of Alonso's court case, and that alone!
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Post by Gail Platz » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:41 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote: Question: Looks like nobody has mentioned Vela, who played the full 90: was he average, absent, quietly competent? Would you be happy with him in a starting berth at Burnley?
He was awful, really bad. I'll write it off as a 'bad day in the office' as he's looked fairly decent when he's come on as a sub previously. Last night he was sloppy with his passes, I'm talking basic 5-yard passes with nobody around him, which ended up going out of play.... something a school kid could achieve. He lost the ball a hell of a lot.

Gregg Wylde looked very good down the left, almost identical to Petrov attacking wise in that he likes to get wide and put a cross in. Isn't scared of taking a man on either, is the kind of player we've been crying out for for some time.

Kevin Davies and Darren Pratley were both non existent, I can't recall Davies even having a touch for the full 45 minutes (honestly) and I'm sure Pratley only touched it a handful of times.

Defence is worrying, Morecambe cut us open with through balls constantly and hit the post twice... Zat Knight almost made a costly error at the back but recovered well. Why he was captain I'll never know.

I'll finish on a good point, Keith Andrews looked pretty decent and is a perfect, cheaper replacement for Reo-Coker.

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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:42 pm

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Lord Kangana wrote:Progress from Robinson then. Slow, but still progress.
Robinson will have enjoyed a far more sucessfull career than Alonso will.
I think that that depends on the outcome of Alonso's court case, and that alone!
Really? You think he'll play more top flight games than Robinson has? He won't be first choice for us (or looks unlikely to be) as a championship side next season!

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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:58 pm

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Lord Kangana wrote:Progress from Robinson then. Slow, but still progress.
Robinson will have enjoyed a far more sucessfull career than Alonso will.
I think that that depends on the outcome of Alonso's court case, and that alone!
Really? You think he'll play more top flight games than Robinson has? He won't be first choice for us (or looks unlikely to be) as a championship side next season!
Before he got crocked I stick by my assertion that the boy was beginning to find his feet and at Blackburn away was motm until he had to go off (not just me, the neutrals that were with me said the same). Robinson set off badly with us and went steadily worse. Are we judging success simply by number of games played, because I'll be amazed if you can point to any achievements on the part of Robinson?
Although having been as frustrated as the next man with Alonso early on last season I saw, I reckon, enough signs of encouragement. He's one player I single out particularly as being likely to benefit from the coming season, and the rest is down to him.

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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:05 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
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Lord Kangana wrote:Progress from Robinson then. Slow, but still progress.
Robinson will have enjoyed a far more sucessfull career than Alonso will.
I think that that depends on the outcome of Alonso's court case, and that alone!
Really? You think he'll play more top flight games than Robinson has? He won't be first choice for us (or looks unlikely to be) as a championship side next season!
Before he got crocked I stick by my assertion that the boy was beginning to find his feet and at Blackburn away was motm until he had to go off (not just me, the neutrals that were with me said the same). Robinson set off badly with us and went steadily worse. Are we judging success simply by number of games played, because I'll be amazed if you can point to any achievements on the part of Robinson?
Although having been as frustrated as the next man with Alonso early on last season I saw, I reckon, enough signs of encouragement. He's one player I single out particularly as being likely to benefit from the coming season, and the rest is down to him.

We'll see.
Alonso did have a good game at Blackburn, though in isolation, one game against terrible opposition does not fill me with confidence, when months later he made Damien Duff look like Messi! Also theseason before that Robinson came runner up for player of the season.

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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by Tals-biggest-fan » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:09 pm

If Alonso can prove he isn't going to be a liability playing left back then I don't see why Ricketts can't go back to his original position at right back
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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:11 pm

Tals-biggest-fan wrote:If Alonso can prove he isn't going to be a liability playing left back then I don't see why Ricketts can't go back to his original position at right back
We have Mears and Riley for right back. Why harm the development of a young lad who shows promise, by sticking another senior pro in his way?

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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:13 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote: Alonso did have a good game at Blackburn, though in isolation, one game against terrible opposition does not fill me with confidence, when months later he made Damien Duff look like Messi! Also theseason before that Robinson came runner up for player of the season.
Player of the season as voted for by those that recognise 'putting in a shift' as a quality above all else? Like I say, I saw Alonso improving in the games he played leading up to Blackburn, that you didn't, well, hey-ho. And yes, the injury put him back, it often does with footballers.
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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by Puskas » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:13 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote: We have Mears and Riley for right back. Why harm the development of a young lad who shows promise, by sticking another senior pro in his way?
Why? Because that's the way we roll.

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Re: Morecambe Pre Season

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:15 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Tals-biggest-fan wrote:If Alonso can prove he isn't going to be a liability playing left back then I don't see why Ricketts can't go back to his original position at right back
We have Mears and Riley for right back. Why harm the development of a young lad who shows promise, by sticking another senior pro in his way?
Mears and Riley? Oh well that's RB sorted then. Promise as evidenced where, then?
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