SKD on Goals on Sunday.

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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by CAPSLOCK » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:07 am

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boltonboris wrote:He gets my respect from what he's done in the past. Now, I think he looks after himself to the detriment of the team. And he knows it.
I personally don't see how he's "looking after himself"

He could of left the sinking ship last season and would be playing in the prem still under Martin O Neil, i think we're lucky to have a player as dedicated as him at the club.

Hes achieved an awful lot over the years and achieved it wearing a wanderers shirt, granted, he's had his best years but definitely still contributes to the team
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by boltonboris » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:27 am

He's looking after himself to the detriment of the team by his refusal to run. He doesn't even make 10 yard sprints anymore. He's scared of running incase he gets tired, in which case he'll have to come off.
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:36 am

Prufrock wrote:He doesn't pick himself does he? What do folk expect? "Nah, I'm sorry gaffer, I'm not playing, I'm shit now. The team would be much better off with David N'Gog starting".
This ^. Apart from, in fact, it wouldn't (it wouldn't be much better off with N'Gog starting).
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by Jez » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:47 pm

boltonboris wrote:He's looking after himself to the detriment of the team by his refusal to run. He doesn't even make 10 yard sprints anymore. He's scared of running incase he gets tired, in which case he'll have to come off.
So he's playing shit on purpose to ensure he gets more game time?

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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by boltonboris » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:51 pm

Not playing shit on purpose, no... But certainly doesn't do anywhere near as much running as 1) He used to, and 2) he should do.
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by m_taylor » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:23 pm

He has stuck with us through think and thin! He gets chosen to play ahead of the other strikers by the Manager not himself!

I think we have also won more points when SKD has started then we have with any striker!

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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by mrkint » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:40 pm

Player in losing stamina as he gets older shocker?

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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:00 pm

m_taylor wrote:He has stuck with us through think and thin!
Which offers has he turned down?

And, its been thick and fcuking thick for all but the last 12 months
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by boltonboris » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:09 pm

mrkint wrote:Player in losing stamina as he gets older shocker?
Quite... But he shouldn't be pacing himself to make sure he lasts.. Which is where my "detriment to the team" came from.

Do you not agree?
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:50 pm

I'd have fcuked him off in Megsons time when he looked like he was getting a bit big for the place, but

Is it not sensible for him to attemopt to 'last' a game rather than being out on his feet for the last half hour

Unless the manager is saying, 'we want the best hour you can give us, then you're off'
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by boltonboris » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:14 pm

CAPSLOCK wrote:I'd have fcuked him off in Megsons time when he looked like he was getting a bit big for the place, but

Is it not sensible for him to attemopt to 'last' a game rather than being out on his feet for the last half hour

Unless the manager is saying, 'we want the best hour you can give us, then you're off'
That's what it should be..
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by Prufrock » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:44 pm

boltonboris wrote:
CAPSLOCK wrote:I'd have fcuked him off in Megsons time when he looked like he was getting a bit big for the place, but

Is it not sensible for him to attemopt to 'last' a game rather than being out on his feet for the last half hour

Unless the manager is saying, 'we want the best hour you can give us, then you're off'
That's what it should be..
Agreed, but that's up to the manager, not Davo.
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by thebish » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:49 pm

Prufrock wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
CAPSLOCK wrote:I'd have fcuked him off in Megsons time when he looked like he was getting a bit big for the place, but

Is it not sensible for him to attemopt to 'last' a game rather than being out on his feet for the last half hour

Unless the manager is saying, 'we want the best hour you can give us, then you're off'
That's what it should be..
Agreed, but that's up to the manager, not Davo.
not saying this is the case here - though he HAS been picked by successive managers (arguably) beyond his sell-by date... but sometimes managers can find themselves held to ransom by players who become "cock of the dressing room"...

some people have suggested in the past that KD might have that kind of a grip...

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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by Wandering Willy » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:27 pm

boltonboris wrote:
CAPSLOCK wrote:I'd have fcuked him off in Megsons time when he looked like he was getting a bit big for the place, but

Is it not sensible for him to attemopt to 'last' a game rather than being out on his feet for the last half hour

Unless the manager is saying, 'we want the best hour you can give us, then you're off'
That's what it should be..
You'd have to add up bits from a whole season to get a good hour.
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by boltonboris » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:33 pm

Prufrock wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
CAPSLOCK wrote:I'd have fcuked him off in Megsons time when he looked like he was getting a bit big for the place, but

Is it not sensible for him to attemopt to 'last' a game rather than being out on his feet for the last half hour

Unless the manager is saying, 'we want the best hour you can give us, then you're off'
That's what it should be..
Agreed, but that's up to the manager, not Davo.
It's up to Davo to play at 100% for as long as he can.

Not at 60%, so that the decision doesn't have to be made.
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by Prufrock » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:38 pm

boltonboris wrote:
Prufrock wrote:
boltonboris wrote:
CAPSLOCK wrote:I'd have fcuked him off in Megsons time when he looked like he was getting a bit big for the place, but

Is it not sensible for him to attemopt to 'last' a game rather than being out on his feet for the last half hour

Unless the manager is saying, 'we want the best hour you can give us, then you're off'
That's what it should be..
Agreed, but that's up to the manager, not Davo.
It's up to Davo to play at 100% for as long as he can.

Not at 60%, so that the decision doesn't have to be made.
I don't agree, if you are told you are starting and aren't told the manager only wants an hour, you have to pace yourself for 90 minutes. It isn't up to him to second guess the manager. The manager isn't an idiot, he can see the level of performance Kev is capable over 90 minutes. If he wants higher intensity for shorter, it is up to him to say so, not for Kev to second guess the manager. The manager would be rightly f*cked off if Sordell chased every single defender down at full speed constantly so he could barely run after 25 mins.
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by Wandering Willy » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:43 pm

Prufrock wrote:
I don't agree, if you are told you are starting and aren't told the manager only wants an hour, you have to pace yourself for 90 minutes. It isn't up to him to second guess the manager. The manager isn't an idiot, he can see the level of performance Kev is capable over 90 minutes. If he wants higher intensity for shorter, it is up to him to say so, not for Kev to second guess the manager. The manager would be rightly f*cked off if Sordell chased every single defender down at full speed constantly so he could barely run after 25 mins.
Then why's he picking him at all? :conf:
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by boltonboris » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:46 pm

That's not what I'm saying though. I'm not after Davo chasing down every loose ball and harassing every defender. I'm after him doing the basics... Making a run to try and pull a defender away, marking a near post dart when a cross is coming in. In fact, just generally keeping up with play. So many times, we'll attack down the wings and you see Kevin Davies jogging from the half way line when the balls near the box. We have to go back and start again. He's a statue... And it's not because he can't run.
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by Prufrock » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:59 pm

Wandering Willy wrote:
Prufrock wrote:
I don't agree, if you are told you are starting and aren't told the manager only wants an hour, you have to pace yourself for 90 minutes. It isn't up to him to second guess the manager. The manager isn't an idiot, he can see the level of performance Kev is capable over 90 minutes. If he wants higher intensity for shorter, it is up to him to say so, not for Kev to second guess the manager. The manager would be rightly f*cked off if Sordell chased every single defender down at full speed constantly so he could barely run after 25 mins.
Then why's he picking him at all? :conf:
Snooze. Coz he still thinks it's better than the best of David N'Gog?

And he isn't picking him for 90 mins recently since Sordell found some form. Finally found one of the others capable of playing better than Davo at 60%.
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Re: SKD on Goals on Sunday.

Post by Wandering Willy » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:03 pm

Snooze all you want. You clearly do when you watch KD.
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