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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by officer_dibble » Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:21 am

I thought Nolan was interviewed at the time of Hill - and possibly second? Might be wrong.

I suppose the clubs in a very different place now and Nolan should have grown as a coach. Hill was brought in to sign a squad in a three day window and have a crack at staying up. Got why he was chosen at the time in that respect.

The sooner we make the decision the better and the less likely we are to require a Warnock style appointment to keep us up. There is absolutely a requirement now to go back to basics and wipe all Evatts nonsense from the players heads, to avoid repeats of yesterday’s third and fourth goals. But we could take more of a gamble now. Surely she won’t wait any longer… would be absolutely the wrong decision. He can’t come back from that very public breakdown last night. The only thing I suspect that stopped him from resigning on air was money, which may be complicated to sort I guess if past rumours are true (I have no idea if that is the case).

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by Prufrock » Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:38 pm

Money Vs the terms of any NDA, perhaps, he wonders cynically.
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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by Prufrock » Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:42 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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I’ve mentioned his name a few times, and in terms of experience he’d very much fall into the Mousinho/Buckingham category, but I do wonder whether Nolan would be a serious candidate.

Maybe someone like Ghost is more clued up with regards to his coaching abilities, but the word out of West Ham was that he was highly rated as a man manager.

Perhaps his technical nous is not up to scratch and his lack of experience would render him an unsuitable hire, but I don’t think it would be an unpopular appointment amongst the fans.
I think it would be a popular appointment among many fans, who are entitled to their opinion...

Personally I would worry that, notwithstanding positive notes on his coaching, his greatest claim to the job might be that he played for us. The control test for that is - would he get the top job a similarly underachieving club he hadn't played for, say for recent example Huddersfield? or Derby/Pompey a couple of years ago?

The other thing is - wasn't he widely tipped to get the job when Keith Hill did? Can't remember if he was interviewed by FV but if they spurned him then when we were freefalling, (1) what makes him better now we're pointing upwards and (2) does he even like FV?
The first argument almost certainly would've ruled Mousinho out from anywhere other than Pompey.

Getting the fanbase back on side is going to be vital. Popular ex player helps square that particular circle.

I wouldn't want it to be more than a minor consideration, but it's probably not nothing.

Don't have much of an answer for the second, beyond we're less of a car crash and there is more structure than an old head firefighter type needed.
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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:26 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:42 pm
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Personally I would worry that, notwithstanding positive notes on his coaching, his greatest claim to the job might be that he played for us. The control test for that is - would he get the top job a similarly underachieving club he hadn't played for, say for recent example Huddersfield? or Derby/Pompey a couple of years ago?

The other thing is - wasn't he widely tipped to get the job when Keith Hill did? Can't remember if he was interviewed by FV but if they spurned him then when we were freefalling, (1) what makes him better now we're pointing upwards and (2) does he even like FV?
The first argument almost certainly would've ruled Mousinho out from anywhere other than Pompey.

Getting the fanbase back on side is going to be vital. Popular ex player helps square that particular circle.

I wouldn't want it to be more than a minor consideration, but it's probably not nothing.

Don't have much of an answer for the second, beyond we're less of a car crash and there is more structure than an old head firefighter type needed.
Your point may be stronger than you think – Mousinho had never played for Pompey. You may be thinking of Oxford lad Des Buckingham comng 'home' (he ws born in the town and played for the Us youth team).

Mousinho had done his badges and been coaching for 18 months (ironically/confusingly at Oxford) and made little secret of his intention to be a manager, so when the job came up at Pompey - who are a bit like us but had been treading water in the bottom two divisions for a decade (imagine the din if that happened here) - he took his chance well. Buckingham started coaching at 18 (!) with Oxford but went about as far as you can, to New Zealand, coming back via Melbourne and Mumbai and City Group affiliations.

Obviously Mousinho and Buckingham both impressed enough in their interviews to get the jobs. It's entirely possible Nolan could do the same. All I'm worried about is if the prime consideration is Did You Score At Old Trafford?

Another way of looking at it is: imagine if we hired a non-Wanderer who'd been sacked by Orient and Notts County and hadn't been a No.1 since. Bunting would not be erected.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:50 pm

^^Agreed. Though at least Nolan would generate initial goodwill.

As someone on the radio said, first key thing is to know what the fans expect. Which is not knocking it round at the back for large spells or watching a hapless pair of wing backs turn round to go backwards all game.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by Prufrock » Sun Sep 15, 2024 2:51 pm

Nope - I just thought he'd played for them :D

No arguments with the rest. Wouldn't be my first choice for sure.
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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by officer_dibble » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:13 am

Schumacher has been booted at Stoke - would expect a link there.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by GhostoftheBok » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:21 am

officer_dibble wrote:
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Schumacher has been booted at Stoke - would expect a link there.
Would be fine with that.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by HMX » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:21 am

officer_dibble wrote:
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Schumacher has been booted at Stoke - would expect a link there.
Yes please. 4-0 Wembley dicking aside...

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by officer_dibble » Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:51 am

Lowe was Schumacher’s boss originally wasn’t he? Was he the brains of the operation?

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by The_Gun » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:12 am

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Lowe was Schumacher’s boss originally wasn’t he? Was he the brains of the operation?
There’s certainly been suggestions of that given how well Schumacher did with Plymouth after Lowe left.

Whilst I don’t think many of us would be opposed to hiring Schumacher, I’d guess that he won’t have to wait long to be offered another Championship role, so he might be out of reach.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by DJBlu » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:42 am

The_Gun wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:12 am
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 9:51 am
Lowe was Schumacher’s boss originally wasn’t he? Was he the brains of the operation?
There’s certainly been suggestions of that given how well Schumacher did with Plymouth after Lowe left.

Whilst I don’t think many of us would be opposed to hiring Schumacher, I’d guess that he won’t have to wait long to be offered another Championship role, so he might be out of reach.
Might we be offering Mr Hird a lot of pennies to return then.......

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:53 am

Schumacher is a very interesting shout. I'm never sure about "brains of the operation" claims - as I've said, Lowe continued to improve PNE on a very sticky wicket – and Schumacher had a good off-field operation behind him (youth team, great loans), but he certainly did well there. Fair enough, he didn't excel at Stoke – but NOBODY EVER DOES, it's the valley of the damned – and that might stop Champo teams sniffing round.

I think he's a very strong candidate and I think he'd be very interested because he could see the headroom here.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by The_Gun » Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:13 am

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Schumacher is a very interesting shout. I'm never sure about "brains of the operation" claims - as I've said, Lowe continued to improve PNE on a very sticky wicket – and Schumacher had a good off-field operation behind him (youth team, great loans), but he certainly did well there. Fair enough, he didn't excel at Stoke – but NOBODY EVER DOES, it's the valley of the damned – and that might stop Champo teams sniffing round.

I think he's a very strong candidate and I think he'd be very interested because he could see the headroom here.
Cardiff are about to pot their manager, Hull and Wednesday might not be far behind. Whilst there are issues at all of those clubs, they’d be able to offer significantly more dosh than us, and they’re already where we want to be league wise.

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Re: Options for the next manager

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The_Gun wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:13 am
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Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:53 am
Schumacher is a very interesting shout. I'm never sure about "brains of the operation" claims - as I've said, Lowe continued to improve PNE on a very sticky wicket – and Schumacher had a good off-field operation behind him (youth team, great loans), but he certainly did well there. Fair enough, he didn't excel at Stoke – but NOBODY EVER DOES, it's the valley of the damned – and that might stop Champo teams sniffing round.

I think he's a very strong candidate and I think he'd be very interested because he could see the headroom here.
Cardiff are about to pot their manager, Hull and Wednesday might not be far behind. Whilst there are issues at all of those clubs, they’d be able to offer significantly more dosh than us, and they’re already where we want to be league wise.
Yeah, fair. Schumacher's a Scouser and I think half the reason for joining Stoke was to get back up here, but I can see the appeal of those clubs. I just think Schuey here might be a good fit for all parties.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:22 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:19 am
The_Gun wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:13 am
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:53 am
Schumacher is a very interesting shout. I'm never sure about "brains of the operation" claims - as I've said, Lowe continued to improve PNE on a very sticky wicket – and Schumacher had a good off-field operation behind him (youth team, great loans), but he certainly did well there. Fair enough, he didn't excel at Stoke – but NOBODY EVER DOES, it's the valley of the damned – and that might stop Champo teams sniffing round.

I think he's a very strong candidate and I think he'd be very interested because he could see the headroom here.
Cardiff are about to pot their manager, Hull and Wednesday might not be far behind. Whilst there are issues at all of those clubs, they’d be able to offer significantly more dosh than us, and they’re already where we want to be league wise.
Yeah, fair. Schumacher's a Scouser and I think half the reason for joining Stoke was to get back up here, but I can see the appeal of those clubs. I just think Schuey here might be a good fit for all parties.
If there was a chance I’d absolutely take Schumacher. 100%. Probably best out of work option. But I suspect his sights might be higher.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by TANGODANCER » Mon Sep 16, 2024 3:20 pm

You're all very sure I.E. is getting the sack. Me, I can't see the sense. Three wins and he'll be manager of the Month. :box:

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:23 pm

Looks like Couhig's Reading takeover has brokmen down or at least stalled. Which might make Selles more possible, if we ever decided we need a new manager.

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Re: Options for the next manager

Post by TonyDomingos » Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:36 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:22 am
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:19 am
The_Gun wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 11:13 am
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:53 am
Schumacher is a very interesting shout. I'm never sure about "brains of the operation" claims - as I've said, Lowe continued to improve PNE on a very sticky wicket – and Schumacher had a good off-field operation behind him (youth team, great loans), but he certainly did well there. Fair enough, he didn't excel at Stoke – but NOBODY EVER DOES, it's the valley of the damned – and that might stop Champo teams sniffing round.

I think he's a very strong candidate and I think he'd be very interested because he could see the headroom here.
Cardiff are about to pot their manager, Hull and Wednesday might not be far behind. Whilst there are issues at all of those clubs, they’d be able to offer significantly more dosh than us, and they’re already where we want to be league wise.
Yeah, fair. Schumacher's a Scouser and I think half the reason for joining Stoke was to get back up here, but I can see the appeal of those clubs. I just think Schuey here might be a good fit for all parties.
If there was a chance I’d absolutely take Schumacher. 100%. Probably best out of work option. But I suspect his sights might be higher.

Are we not going to bide our time until the current Plymouth manager becomes available? :D
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