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Post by officer_dibble » Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:23 am

I read a theory that refs at this level aren’t fit enough to keep going - which I get and appreciate, they are not paid like the elite ones I suspect. Therefore they weren’t up for another ten minutes on the 90. I don’t know - it’s controlled by the fourth official sat down isn’t it so not sure how much that rings true!!

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Post by Prufrock » Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:39 am

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I don’t see why we can’t go back to where it was last season where they added the actual requisite time back on at the end. Rather than where we are now where they clearly roughly decide on a scale from 2-8 minutes based on normal games. Last season they’d add the real amount on. They did it for about 4 weeks then gave up. I don’t see why.
As I say - they (the authorities) can, and they talk a good game, then everything just slides back to normal. Which in a way is worse as they've acknowledged there's a problem, started doing something about it, then let it happen again.

Like when they punished dissent at free kicks with a 10-yard advance for the kicker. Dissent dropped notably. Then they cancelled it*. Dissent rose again.

*The only possible reason was that defending teams would argue about free kicks say 25 yards out so it became harder for the kicker if he got had to kick from the 18-yard line. Simple remedy: let the attacker advance the ball *up to* 10 yards, at their choosing. But hey-ho.
One of the few things they've done dicking around messing about with things that was a bonus.... and then they sacked it off.

I think it started at the world cup, and it was noticeable that by the knockouts players would go down, twig it wasn't going to help and then get back up. The time added on started at a ridiculous like 20 mins a game and then naturally came back down. One thing the useless f*ckers have done and they stopped!
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Re: Prawn Sandwiches aren't Posh any more. At Home to Peterborough Sat, Oct 26th 3-o'clcock.

Post by Prufrock » Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:41 am

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I read a theory that refs at this level aren’t fit enough to keep going - which I get and appreciate, they are not paid like the elite ones I suspect. Therefore they weren’t up for another ten minutes on the 90. I don’t know - it’s controlled by the fourth official sat down isn’t it so not sure how much that rings true!!
I think it's still the ref. They're all mic-ed up and the fourth official has the board, but still the ref's call.
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Re: Prawn Sandwiches aren't Posh any more. At Home to Peterborough Sat, Oct 26th 3-o'clcock.

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:54 am

Prufrock wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:39 am
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:12 am
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:51 am
I don’t see why we can’t go back to where it was last season where they added the actual requisite time back on at the end. Rather than where we are now where they clearly roughly decide on a scale from 2-8 minutes based on normal games. Last season they’d add the real amount on. They did it for about 4 weeks then gave up. I don’t see why.
As I say - they (the authorities) can, and they talk a good game, then everything just slides back to normal. Which in a way is worse as they've acknowledged there's a problem, started doing something about it, then let it happen again.

Like when they punished dissent at free kicks with a 10-yard advance for the kicker. Dissent dropped notably. Then they cancelled it*. Dissent rose again.

*The only possible reason was that defending teams would argue about free kicks say 25 yards out so it became harder for the kicker if he got had to kick from the 18-yard line. Simple remedy: let the attacker advance the ball *up to* 10 yards, at their choosing. But hey-ho.
One of the few things they've done dicking around messing about with things that was a bonus.... and then they sacked it off.

I think it started at the world cup, and it was noticeable that by the knockouts players would go down, twig it wasn't going to help and then get back up. The time added on started at a ridiculous like 20 mins a game and then naturally came back down. One thing the useless f*ckers have done and they stopped!
Yep. It was one of the rule changes that improved the game. Add all the time back on and it means teams can’t waste time. It worked. I don’t really see any negative from it. 4 weeks and then ‘sorry we are going back to adding on an insufficient amount of time’. Really irritates me. Do it properly and all the frustration and anger goes. I don’t see a down side.

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Post by jmjhb » Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:55 am

Hopefully that'll be the result which will really kick-start the season.

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Re: Prawn Sandwiches aren't Posh any more. At Home to Peterborough Sat, Oct 26th 3-o'clcock.

Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:09 am

Fairness in football will never be a common denominator as long as human beings (referees)are involved. We could have an independent factor (as in Rugby) involved, but who's to decide when to push the time buttons? We've had more than our share of wrong decisions, so why is this different just because the loser complains? Course it's a tough way to lose, but on the basis of best team winning , then D.F. will just have to bite the bullet and move on. We got one in our favour for a change, no doubt it won't always be like that. :laugh:

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Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:11 am

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Hopefully that'll be the result which will really kick-start the season.
Aye, and by enough of a margin to prevent a Fergusson type "if only"...Our stadium ain't called "Toughsheet" for nothing.. :D
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:25 am

jmjhb wrote:
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Hopefully that'll be the result which will really kick-start the season.
Feels like it could. Make it a marker of what a league one performance looks like.

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Post by Worthy4England » Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:14 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:25 am
jmjhb wrote:
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Hopefully that'll be the result which will really kick-start the season.
Feels like it could. Make it a marker of what a league one performance looks like.
Where do you rate it vs Reading? Not for the fact we scored 5 but in performance?

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:03 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:14 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:25 am
jmjhb wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:55 am
Hopefully that'll be the result which will really kick-start the season.
Feels like it could. Make it a marker of what a league one performance looks like.
Where do you rate it vs Reading? Not for the fact we scored 5 but in performance?
I’d say better in that reading we threw it at them and probably got lucky in the sense that we played on pace and adrenaline and it came off.

Yesterday as a performance particularly with Matete in front of the back three - something that noticeably enhanced us as a unit - felt more ‘repeatable’. And a clean sheet. As noted on the radio the only issue is how poor we are in the last part of it. Not necessarily missing chances per se but we just aren’t an economical side in and round the box and certainly not consistently. As per last season scoring 6 one game but then battering posh and failing to score isn’t really going to get us up. And yes we won yesterday but I thought the words of Hill once again were probably true - we can’t and won’t always get the luck we did at the end and we know we have that in us - a lack of economy in the final third.

But for me the solidity yesterday and game control was a higher level than reading. And I see no reason why those elements aren’t set as the standard. It’s about not dipping. It’s probably harder to do something about the economy in the final third without recruiting.

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Re: Prawn Sandwiches aren't Posh any more. At Home to Peterborough Sat, Oct 26th 3-o'clcock.

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:19 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:03 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:14 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:25 am
jmjhb wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:55 am
Hopefully that'll be the result which will really kick-start the season.
Feels like it could. Make it a marker of what a league one performance looks like.
Where do you rate it vs Reading? Not for the fact we scored 5 but in performance?
I’d say better in that reading we threw it at them and probably got lucky in the sense that we played on pace and adrenaline and it came off.

Yesterday as a performance particularly with Matete in front of the back three - something that noticeably enhanced us as a unit - felt more ‘repeatable’. And a clean sheet. As noted on the radio the only issue is how poor we are in the last part of it. Not necessarily missing chances per se but we just aren’t an economical side in and round the box and certainly not consistently. As per last season scoring 6 one game but then battering posh and failing to score isn’t really going to get us up. And yes we won yesterday but I thought the words of Hill once again were probably true - we can’t and won’t always get the luck we did at the end and we know we have that in us - a lack of economy in the final third.

But for me the solidity yesterday and game control was a higher level than reading. And I see no reason why those elements aren’t set as the standard. It’s about not dipping. It’s probably harder to do something about the economy in the final third without recruiting.
All reasonable mate. Watching yesterday you could make a case for both sides scoring more. I'm happy with a nil at our end.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:40 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:19 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:03 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:14 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 11:25 am
jmjhb wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:55 am
Hopefully that'll be the result which will really kick-start the season.
Feels like it could. Make it a marker of what a league one performance looks like.
Where do you rate it vs Reading? Not for the fact we scored 5 but in performance?
I’d say better in that reading we threw it at them and probably got lucky in the sense that we played on pace and adrenaline and it came off.

Yesterday as a performance particularly with Matete in front of the back three - something that noticeably enhanced us as a unit - felt more ‘repeatable’. And a clean sheet. As noted on the radio the only issue is how poor we are in the last part of it. Not necessarily missing chances per se but we just aren’t an economical side in and round the box and certainly not consistently. As per last season scoring 6 one game but then battering posh and failing to score isn’t really going to get us up. And yes we won yesterday but I thought the words of Hill once again were probably true - we can’t and won’t always get the luck we did at the end and we know we have that in us - a lack of economy in the final third.

But for me the solidity yesterday and game control was a higher level than reading. And I see no reason why those elements aren’t set as the standard. It’s about not dipping. It’s probably harder to do something about the economy in the final third without recruiting.
All reasonable mate. Watching yesterday you could make a case for both sides scoring more. I'm happy with a nil at our end.
Peterborough are top scorers and we restricted them to not that much. A few breaks where they could have punished us with better final balls but the thing was we restricted them which is more or less all you can do defensively.

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Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:33 pm

The new dawn needs to start with crossing/corners practice. Lots and lots of it, because we are worse than an under 7s team on a full size pitch.

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Post by irie Cee Bee » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:13 pm

Wonderful game. We looked a much better team that controlled the game. Usually we play in patches but this time we were consistent throughout. I hope we continue to improve. I thought Collins had a very good game. He made things happen and always looked creative in an attacking way. We could easily have been crying for Evatt's head now had not Southwood make that sharp incredible save from Santos and if we missed that penalty opportunity in the end. We would have lost the game. Thankfully all is well that ends well and we got what we deserved from the performance.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Mon Oct 28, 2024 1:39 pm

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:
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The new dawn needs to start with crossing/corners practice. Lots and lots of it, because we are worse than an under 7s team on a full size pitch.
Add Shooting practise to that A.T..Make that opportunist "shoot on sight "occasionally. We look like a delivery drivers convention in our desire to stand on doorsteps before delivering the goods. :oyea:

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Post by Mar » Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:15 pm

For all those saying Sat was a good performance, are we to take it as us getting the tactics right?

The 5-2-3 formation seemed to do well. Is it a case of us needing player buy in for it?

Effort levels needed more earlier in the season and maybe that was the missing factor.

It's tough. I don't particularly think we were that good on Sat. We were in control but not particularly good with what we did. Had that been a draw there would be criticisms of how we setup and how we failed to score against the leakiest of defences.

We ended up with a clean sheet and I suspect that was down to tactics meaning they sat deeper to cope with our 3 up top.

What I'm trying to say is, that performance was as good as other performances this season, save for a defensive mistake. I guess it's our best home performance of the season so that counts for something.

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Post by officer_dibble » Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:37 pm

523 looked a lot better cos of Matete. Also thought Peterborough came for a game and were potentially a bit naive. Plus McAtee bedded in a bit more and Collins worked harder. Did Victor starting make a difference as well? But mainly matete I think - nicked the ball so many times on tackles and turned forward straight away.

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Post by Mar » Mon Oct 28, 2024 7:44 pm

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523 looked a lot better cos of Matete. Also thought Peterborough came for a game and were potentially a bit naive. Plus McAtee bedded in a bit more and Collins worked harder. Did Victor starting make a difference as well? But mainly matete I think - nicked the ball so many times on tackles and turned forward straight away.
Hard to say regarding Vic as he wasn't pivotal. He was probably more suited than Charles at being involved in the three.

Wholeheartedly agree about Matete being the main man in that formation. Seemed to solidify us

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Post by TANGODANCER » Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:30 pm

Just viewed the pen/goal again for the xxxtth time, and I have to admit how Dion managed to hit the keeper with his follow-up header with the whole goal to nod it in, defies some description. love the man, but if the ref had blown time..well.. we were ten seconds off a riot..:shock:
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Post by irie Cee Bee » Fri Nov 01, 2024 12:52 pm

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Just viewed the pen/goal again for the xxxtth time, and I have to admit how Dion managed to hit the keeper with his follow-up header with the whole goal to nod it in, defies some description. love the man, but if the ref had blown time..well.. we were ten seconds off a riot..:shock:
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Yeah, the follow up header looked really bad but I wont give him a hard time over it because strikers practice in situations like that, to hit it back towards where the keeper is coming from. Harder to save. I guess he instinctively did that, not realizing how open the other side of the goal was. The keeper would never have got across to save it.

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