money bags v the trotters

[Hoboh]

Poor stream made the 2nd half hard to follow.MotD highlights made it look more one sided than I thought it was.Can't fault the effort but city really could have murdered us.Can't see Coyle changing the approach and why should he but got to wonder whether we should have a less open alternative plan for an away game like that,especially without Holden's workrate protecting the defence.Maybe even put Cahill and Muamba infront of the defence.Cahill is quite possibly our best player in terms of passing an accurate long ball and running with it but also seems susceptible to letting players in behind. Wonder how he'd do in a campo/Hierro role as opposed to trying to partner Knight? We have pace in Moreno and this may have been a good game to try and play on the break.
Can see why petrov started too but his main contribution was to give the ball away and when we needed impact players he was already an hour into the game and having no impact

Some of us have brought this point up before although who wouldn't play now? Holden surely is a shoe in when fit

[Ianmooreslovechild]

well I did have a think about this and how Fat Sam might have used the players we now have for the system that was so successful for him.I'll put it in a new thread.

[Bijou Bob]

Watched the match on dodgy sky in my local. For me, the stats for the match said it all. We only played at 12 to14 percent of our play down the wings, nearly everything going through the middle. If we were ever going to beat a team with Barry, Toure and De Jong in the centre of the park, we had to get it wide. I presumed thats what CYL and Petrov were doing in the starting line up. To be fair CYL had a good game defensively.

I wasn't too disappointed at the final whistle. Thought the ref was poor but consistently so (Have a look at the shout we had for a penalty in the fist half, he was nearly 40 yards from play at the time). If I were a City fan I'd be worried. All that money, all that collective talent, yet they play defensively at home, looking to catch teams on the break. Ok, they're good at it, but I wouldn't be happy to be weatching that every week.

We can't win every match. Bring on next Saturday.

[Lofthouse Lower]

Time has come to sell Cahill now - whilst he's a fine player etc etc, I reckon there would be little if any discernable difference if we had Ricketts or O'Brien or someone else in there. We let goals in regardless of who the centre-half partnership is, so we may as well bank £10m along the way.

[BWFC_Insane]

Time has come to sell Cahill now - whilst he's a fine player etc etc, I reckon there would be little if any discernable difference if we had Ricketts or O'Brien or someone else in there. We let goals in regardless of who the centre-half partnership is, so we may as well bank £10m along the way.

This. Though we will miss his pace and distribution out from the back.

But if a big enough bid comes in I think we can more than manage without him.

[Bruce Rioja]

Time has come to sell Cahill now - whilst he's a fine player etc etc,

Whilst he's still over-rated, I'd say. Watch him 4uck-up to let Tevez in for City's goal.

[boltonboris]

Time has come to sell Cahill now - whilst he's a fine player etc etc,

Whilst he's still over-rated, I'd say. Watch him 4uck-up to let Tevez in for City's goal.

It was a strange one, he seemed to mix up his stride and the ball just sort of went underneath him..

Knight however, let Toure past far, far too easily

[newboy]

Time has come to sell Cahill now - whilst he's a fine player etc etc, I reckon there would be little if any discernable difference if we had Ricketts or O'Brien or someone else in there. We let goals in regardless of who the centre-half partnership is, so we may as well bank £10m along the way.

my thoughts entirely cash in while his stock is high.

[a1]

yeah but some on here are recommending curtis davies as his replacement.

him and zat might be too cool for school.

zat/curtis + ricketts wont be good enough for the full season.

i can see us conceding more if he does one. folk are talking like we'dve still lost 1-0 if cahill didnt play, my guess is 2 or 3 .

our owen'd need to unearth a gem.

if youre waiting til close season. then . thats different.

[hisroyalgingerness]

Time has come to sell Cahill now - whilst he's a fine player etc etc,

Whilst he's still over-rated, I'd say. Watch him 4uck-up to let Tevez in for City's goal.

Yeah I saw it yesterday for the first time, the goal, got himself all in a tangle. Not good

[Lord Kangana]

I reckon Tevez is capable of doing that to most centre halves. I'm not sure its evidence of him being "over-rated".

[BWFC_Insane]

I reckon Tevez is capable of doing that to most centre halves. I'm not sure its evidence of him being "over-rated".

IMO Cahill is a top quality footballer but only an average defender.

For me he is caught out of position quite a bit and relies quite heavily on his pace.

He is very very very good though on the ball.

Whether a more solid "organiser" type would improve us at the back I'm not sure but I think we can do ok without Cahill if we get decent money and an adequate replacement.

[Odelay]

I reckon Tevez is capable of doing that to most centre halves. I'm not sure its evidence of him being "over-rated".

IMO Cahill is a top quality footballer but only an average defender.
For me he is caught out of position quite a bit and relies quite heavily on his pace.

He is very very very good though on the ball.

Whether a more solid "organiser" type would improve us at the back I'm not sure but I think we can do ok without Cahill if we get decent money and an adequate replacement.

Don't agree with that. Thought he defended well yesterday considering we were under seige for most of the game. If he wasn't a great defender he wouldn't have the reputation he has.

[BWFC_Insane]

I reckon Tevez is capable of doing that to most centre halves. I'm not sure its evidence of him being "over-rated".

IMO Cahill is a top quality footballer but only an average defender.
For me he is caught out of position quite a bit and relies quite heavily on his pace.

He is very very very good though on the ball.

Whether a more solid "organiser" type would improve us at the back I'm not sure but I think we can do ok without Cahill if we get decent money and an adequate replacement.

Don't agree with that. Thought he defended well yesterday considering we were under seige for most of the game. If he wasn't a great defender he wouldn't have the reputation he has.

Perhaps "average" sounds harsh, but for me he's a recovery player, rather than a real genuine reader of the game and/or organiser and enforcer.

[CAPSLOCK]

Cahill is a top player, but somebody has to be shit.....

If we can find another as good as Ricketts for a 10 million profit, then Cahill can go

Otherwise, lets not be pushing him out of the door

[thebish]

Cahill is a top player, but somebody has to be shit.....

If we can find another as good as Ricketts for a 10 million profit, then Cahill can go

Otherwise, lets not be pushing him out of the door

might as well be Petrov then...

[BWFC_Insane]

Cahill is a top player, but somebody has to be shit.....

If we can find another as good as Ricketts for a 10 million profit, then Cahill can go

Otherwise, lets not be pushing him out of the door

Thing is Caps there's got to be a reason we can't keep a clean sheet?

Perhaps its that we're too open in midfield?

But then we were conceeding every game when Megson was here playing 5 in midfield.

Full backs?

They're not great but they're not the worst in the league.

Knight?

He makes errors, but seems better without Cahill.

I'm not saying that Cahill is "shit" but that we don't keep clean sheets and seem as good if not more solid when Ricketts plays in there, who is a part time centre back when all is said and done. The Cahill Knight partnership has never looked tremendously solid, so for that reason a big offer and see if we can get that dominant centre half in!

[ratbert]

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[TKIZ!]

Good review of the game. Had it all, well done that man

[Prufrock]

We'll miss Cahill massively when he goes. He's a top player and you don't just sell top players and not miss them. Ricketts has done well there, but I don't remember us suddenly being AC Milan of the 90s, and we were worse at the back, just not as much as we thought we would be. I still want to see Ricketts Cahill, coz Knight is, frankly, shit, he is just not as shit as he was. As often. Silly money for Cahill I understand the club has to look at, but the idea we wont miss him much or even at all is proper mental IMO. Good on the ball=shit defender for some reason. He's in the same bracket as Tal, Gudni and Bruno that I have seen in a white shirt.