Lies, damned lies and now the damned tics. Wigan (H) Saturday 12.30pm

[DJBlu]

Got to feel for Brett Ormerod, could be the shortest stint as an assistant kit man.

[Worthy4England]

Many thought he should go after Wembley. Huddersfield was a reminder of how bad we are in crunch games. Stockport was surely the straw that broke the camel's back for everyone.

Now, only Evatt thinks, or says at any rate, that only he can turn it around. I don't know of one supporter who thinks he can.

Thanks for the memories Evatt but time to go now. Quickly.

^^

[truewhite15]

There's been been, now, four occurrences in the last seven months where he could conceivably have been sacked, and nobody could have really argued against it.

Oxford
Huddersfield
Stockport

He somehow survived all those three. You wonder just how many get-out-of-jail-free cards he possesses if he survives this one.

[officer_dibble]

Yeah I’ve said it earlier on the thread but if he doesn’t go now it’s reasons outside of football that are keeping him here. We can’t afford to sack him, or there’s something that will come out if he goes and that will be damaging to the ownership. Not sure. He’d of got the boot at 85-90 teams by now in the league. If football vultures let him stay the season and worse still waste money in January I want them out as well - don’t know what their doing.

[TonyDomingos]

W9, D3, L6 and the panic fannies are out with their pitchforks and bedsheets. It'll be reet.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Yeah I’ve said it earlier on the thread but if he doesn’t go now it’s reasons outside of football that are keeping him here. We can’t afford to sack him, or there’s something that will come out if he goes and that will be damaging to the ownership. Not sure. He’d of got the boot at 85-90 teams by now in the league. If football vultures let him stay the season and worse still waste money in January I want them out as well - don’t know what their doing.

I hear you and I understand the feeling but I'm not sure. It's a little close to conspiracy theory for my liking.

I think it's very possible that Sharon is a bit of an old romantic, and that she has much more faith than most that Evatt will pull it round.

Or she could be drowning in the sunk cost fallacy.

It's also possible she doesn't want to pay to push him and he's too proud to jump. Could be she's waiting for him to resign. If so, might be tme to make an uncomfortable decision because if not, he'll be asking her to sign cheques in January.

[DJBlu]

Yeah I’ve said it earlier on the thread but if he doesn’t go now it’s reasons outside of football that are keeping him here. We can’t afford to sack him, or there’s something that will come out if he goes and that will be damaging to the ownership. Not sure. He’d of got the boot at 85-90 teams by now in the league. If football vultures let him stay the season and worse still waste money in January I want them out as well - don’t know what their doing.

This is all hypothetical before anything becomes libel.

Would the court order preventing information about an unknown manager betting on games be null and void if a manager were to not be employed as a manager?

[The_Gun]

Let’s not forget that Sharon isn’t the only voice in the room, and even if she’s still fighting Evatt’s corner, she may be overruled by other investors.

No doubt that sacking the manager a few weeks before January would throw transfer plans up in the air, but if they don’t pull the trigger now they run the risk of his position becoming untenable by the 27th. Wycombe looks a nailed on defeat, and Barnsley on Boxing Day may see a much sparser crowd than usual, and who’d be confident of us beating them at the moment?

[The_Gun]

Yeah I’ve said it earlier on the thread but if he doesn’t go now it’s reasons outside of football that are keeping him here. We can’t afford to sack him, or there’s something that will come out if he goes and that will be damaging to the ownership. Not sure. He’d of got the boot at 85-90 teams by now in the league. If football vultures let him stay the season and worse still waste money in January I want them out as well - don’t know what their doing.

This is all hypothetical before anything becomes libel.

Would the court order preventing information about an unknown manager betting on games be null and void if a manager were to not be employed as a manager?

I wouldn’t have thought said hypothetical person’s employment status would have a bearing on that, but I’m not a lawyer. I feel like maybe one of the regulars on here is a lawyer, so they would be better placed to comment.

[TonyDomingos]

Yeah I’ve said it earlier on the thread but if he doesn’t go now it’s reasons outside of football that are keeping him here. We can’t afford to sack him, or there’s something that will come out if he goes and that will be damaging to the ownership. Not sure. He’d of got the boot at 85-90 teams by now in the league. If football vultures let him stay the season and worse still waste money in January I want them out as well - don’t know what their doing.

This is all hypothetical before anything becomes libel.

Would the court order preventing information about an unknown manager betting on games be null and void if a manager were to not be employed as a manager?

I wouldn’t have thought said hypothetical person’s employment status would have a bearing on that, but I’m not a lawyer. I feel like maybe one of the regulars on here is a lawyer, so they would be better placed to comment.

I'm obviously not the lawyer you're referring to, but, I can assure you no such court order exists. But, I suspect you (DJB) know that.

[Frank Drebin]

Evatt is currently the 5th longest serving manager in the whole of the EFL/Prem.
Arteta 4th longest
Thomas Frank 3rd
Pep Guardiola 2nd
Simon Weaver 1st (Harrogate manager commenced in 2009)

Thomas Frank is doing a fantastic job at Brentford as is Guardiola at City.
My initial thought was, so was Arteta but winning a solitary FA cup in 5.5 years seems meagre, particularly for the outlay of cash.
Evatt, one trophy and one promotion in 4.5 years, given this, you can maybe understand Sharon’s reluctance to part ways.

However, where Evatt is continuing to disappoint, and what doesn’t show up in the stats, is his failure to develop and learn as a manager, for instance, he’s never tackled the weak mentality of the team, he never does subs at half time, he can’t keep his mouth shut and he always blames someone else. It’s for these reasons why I would part ways.

[Bertie Wooster]

This Evatt 50% win rate I assume isn't just league games and includes several meaningless papa johns wins against U21 teams. I wonder what his win rate is in meaningful league games.

I also notice that in his pathetic egotistical & arrogant response to Jack Dearden's questions yesterday he pathetically mentioned that he'd won 26 pts out of the last 13 games as some sort of 'how dare you question me' given those stats - I wonder why he didn't quote the full stats that we have 30 points out of the last 18 games ?

Anyway he'll be gone tomorrow.

[BWFC_Insane]

This Evatt 50% win rate I assume isn't just league games and includes several meaningless papa johns wins against U21 teams. I wonder what his win rate is in meaningful league games.

I also notice that in his pathetic egotistical & arrogant response to Jack Dearden's questions yesterday he pathetically mentioned that he'd won 26 pts out of the last 13 games as some sort of 'how dare you question me' given those stats - I wonder why he didn't quote the full stats that we have 30 points out of the last 18 games ?

Anyway he'll be gone tomorrow.

I think we all know he won’t be.

[knobpolisher]

I've now come down off the ceiling after yesterday's debacle.
What really makes my piss boil is reading the pre match comments from the players about how they need to put things right - how they know how the fans feel - how they have to turn up from minute one - fast out of the blocks Etc etc etc ad infinitum.
Well try effin well doing it. Yes I get the manager criticism but the players must shoulder a vast amount of the criticism themselves,

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The players simply lack confidence. If they get going the confidence floods back, but then the next match they have to get going again before any confidence. When all is not going well the confidence saps further. For me it is because they don't have anything to fall back on other than do plan A better. The manager should be instilling the confidence, but instead he's putting his pressure and fear into them. The likes of Collins and Dion have a natural swagger and confidence and when they holding hands up and looking at the floor you know something is wrong. Its been going on too long and that tells us that Evatt is not going to get their mojo back. A bit of organisation and belief and this lot would be flying.

[BWFC_Insane]

I've now come down off the ceiling after yesterday's debacle.
What really makes my piss boil is reading the pre match comments from the players about how they need to put things right - how they know how the fans feel - how they have to turn up from minute one - fast out of the blocks Etc etc etc ad infinitum.
Well try effin well doing it. Yes I get the manager criticism but the players must shoulder a vast amount of the criticism themselves,

We never apply ourselves and work like Wigan did at ours yesterday. It should be the bare minimum week in week out. Yet we never do it. When we win it’s simply because we have technically better players. They are absolute shit houses who should never have been allowed to get a shirt at this club.

A half decent manager who had any bottle themselves might have publically transfer listed a good number of them after yesterday. Never did Big Sam any harm. I hate how soft the club has become right from the top. It’s a crèche setup to mollycoddle and reward failure.

[Bertie Wooster]

I agree with BWFCI the club is soft from the chairman, board down to the players - there is no clear leadership or direction, it's just more of the same month after month. Does anyone know if Sharon Brittan is even still at the club ?, as usual when things are going well she's here there and everywhere but when things are not it's complete & utter silence (heads in the sand, fingers in ears).

Ian Evatt has achieved nothing of note in his 4.5 years at the club, yet he thinks that he's above criticism almost like we should all be grateful to be a mediocre mid table league 1 side with a mediocre league 1 level manager. How dare anyone question him personally, his arrogance in his interview with Mr Dearden yesterday was so telling - just who the feck does he think he is because to me he's just another average limited lower league manager who thinks that he's way better than he actually is and has absolute disregard & disrespect for the supporters....as usual it's all about him and his inflated ego.

[Worthy4England]

This Evatt 50% win rate I assume isn't just league games and includes several meaningless papa johns wins against U21 teams. I wonder what his win rate is in meaningful league games.

I also notice that in his pathetic egotistical & arrogant response to Jack Dearden's questions yesterday he pathetically mentioned that he'd won 26 pts out of the last 13 games as some sort of 'how dare you question me' given those stats - I wonder why he didn't quote the full stats that we have 30 points out of the last 18 games ?

Anyway he'll be gone tomorrow.

No, on first part, Bertie. 202 League games 101 wins...

[BWFC_Insane]

It’s time Sharon published her ‘root and branch’ review she apparently conducted after the play off final debacle. We need to see what was uncovered and what has or hasn’t been done.

I also think they should explain in writing what happened after the Huddersfield game and which parts of the root and branch review were ripped up and why.

Publish it all and let us see exactly what has been done.

[Worthy4England]

Not that there aren't enough weaknesses for people to see right now, but why would any private company publish such a thing for pretty much zero benefit and a load of potential downsides?

To be fair, whilst fans know some of what's going on, we're usually a way off knowing everything. And for most folks, they'll give opinions, having never worked or run a league football Club.