The "Nothing to see here"Transfer thread

[BWFC_Insane]

A loan is off the table? What would Quick Quid say?

But in all seriousness, how can a loan be off the table? If aPremier League club has a player surplus to requirements and doesn't want us to pay all the wages, why would that be outlawed?

Methinks we might be once again in Internet Binary territory, and actuality my be somewhere in between.

I mean in that we aren't able to add anyone to the wage bill till we've got someone off it. Even a loan.

[BWFC_Insane]

The tone has definitely changed, I recall a few weeks back Dougie was talking about several more incomings on top of Beckford before the start of the season. Now the message appears to be, barring sales thats yer lot.... For me there is definitely something going on behind the scenes that is more than just the annual "tightening of belts".

maybe dougie's early bravado was based on a belief that he would have successfully sold some by now...

I don't see the need to panic about a pissed-off manager - nor do I think we are disastrously light - though I'd like to see some competition for knight/wheater/mills... a loanee would do - and that might be a later addition as transfer deadline draws closer than an outright purchase would be.

I suspect your "definitely" might be a bit strong/premature.

Aye I mean I'm not saying it's end of the world or anything.

I just think there has been a change in emphasis coming out of messages from the club. This does somewhat correlate with Nixon saying Dougie is frustrated in not being allowed to sign players at the moment. I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between that he's frustrated to still have some deadweights and possibly frustrated that the club wouldn't let him sign the loan he had lined up and the cheap Moritz even without offloading.

It's guesswork admittedly. Frankly I'd rather have a manager who pushes things (to an extent) than one who sits back and uses it as an excuse. I think Dougie is ambitious enough to be the former type of manager.

I do think we are light in a few positions though. 1 recognised left back. 4 centre halves, none of which inspire confidence and one of which may end up being left back cover. 3 wingers at the club, one a relatively young lad. If playing 4-5-1 one of those in Eagles may also have the central midfield berth earmarked for them. Doesn't leave much to play with there. And arguably we are a holding midfield player short as well, though much depends on Holden/Andrews.

[thebish]

maybe Nixon is struggling to justify his early bravado about multiple signings and huge wads of cash... A hint of manager unrest and tight-fisted owner is a decent smokescreen. maybe Nixon just got the wrong end of the stick first time around...

stranger things have happened...

[BWFC_Insane]

maybe Nixon is struggling to justify his early bravado about multiple signings and huge wads of cash... A hint of manager unrest and tight-fisted owner is a decent smokescreen. maybe Nixon just got the wrong end of the stick first time around...

stranger things have happened...

I'm not saying that's not what has happened. But equally the quotes from Dougie earlier this month correlate more along the lines of what Nixon was saying (and we're not talking Rhodes hear we're talking about "3 or 4 in" with a couple of buys and a sexy loan or two) than the theory you've put up there.

I'm sure it's a bit of both to be honest. I'm sure Bolton have had a cheeky thought or two about Rhodes, Nixon got a bit excited thought he could wind Rovers up and did so. I've never in a million years thought that was going to happen.

But the two loans we had on the table, sounded believeable and tied in with what Iles in the BN reported and what Dougie himself said. Then it became 1 loan. Then Moritz as a cheaper option. Now it appears to be nothing until we shift some of the squad.

Edit: The other thing that strikes me is we have a couple of tribunals hanging over us for that Wilkinson and Hall IIRC. Perhaps we're waiting to see how much we have to spend on them before further transfers are sanctioned? Or perhaps Beckford cost more than was originally thought he would with the wrangle over his pay-off at Leicester.

[Norpig]

With the FFP rules we are only allowed to spend according to our income, we have a lot more income, due to the parachute payments, than most in the League. We are going to have to look at a different business model to the one we have used in the past. The whole football league is bound by these rules hence the reason teams are looking for free or player swap deals. IMO we are doing the right thing invest in the kids put a structure in place to get the best out of them and hopefully a few come through. It is a gamble but one we have been forced to take. It is vital we get up this season otherwise next season we will most definitely will be relying on the kids. Even Leicester, Leeds, Forest, & Watford have had to reign in the finances due to FFP and they have owners with far more resources.

Our squad is not perfect but at least it is reasonably settled and there seems to be a toghtherness which was not there for most of last season. Sordell is looking good early on in pre season, with Beckford and Ngog to come in we are looking good going forward and I am sure DF is working to improve our defence.

The transfer market will start moving when other teams start to want our players and the PL teams want to loan there players neither of which is likely to happen until mid August. Until then we will just have to enjoy the ride or not as the case maybe.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

A loan is off the table? What would Quick Quid say?

But in all seriousness, how can a loan be off the table? If a Premier League club has a player surplus to requirements and doesn't want us to pay all the wages, why would that be outlawed?

Methinks we might be once again in Internet Binary territory, and actuality my be somewhere in between.

I mean in that we aren't able to add anyone to the wage bill till we've got someone off it. Even a loan.

With respect, BWFCi: that sounds like an opinion, or a rune-reading, expressed as ITK fact.

With the FFP rules we are only allowed to spend according to our income, we have a lot more income, due to the parachute payments, than most in the League. We are going to have to look at a different business model to the one we have used in the past. The whole football league is bound by these rules hence the reason teams are looking for free or player swap deals. (...)
The transfer market will start moving when other teams start to want our players and the PL teams want to loan there players neither of which is likely to happen until mid August. Until then we will just have to enjoy the ride or not as the case maybe.

Interestingly enough, Dougie said something along those lines quite recently. It is very possible that football clubs who have been overspending for years are finally tightening up the budgets, and this is causing something of a credit crunch.

[bobo the clown]

The new World, according to Dougie ...

Freedman was speaking after confirming that, beyond the signing of forward Jermaine Beckford, there was no further movement in or out of the club yesterday.

"There is not a lot of money around, apart from one or two clubs. I expect in the next two weeks, people will start swapping players. Gone are the days when there would be big transfers because the money is just not there. I’ll be very involved when it happens. I have a responsibility to the fans to make sure I work every day so that when the opportunity comes up I do the right deal for us.”

[BWFC_Insane]

A loan is off the table? What would Quick Quid say?

But in all seriousness, how can a loan be off the table? If a Premier League club has a player surplus to requirements and doesn't want us to pay all the wages, why would that be outlawed?

Methinks we might be once again in Internet Binary territory, and actuality my be somewhere in between.

I mean in that we aren't able to add anyone to the wage bill till we've got someone off it. Even a loan.

With respect, BWFCi: that sounds like an opinion, or a rune-reading, expressed as ITK fact.

With the FFP rules we are only allowed to spend according to our income, we have a lot more income, due to the parachute payments, than most in the League. We are going to have to look at a different business model to the one we have used in the past. The whole football league is bound by these rules hence the reason teams are looking for free or player swap deals. (...)
The transfer market will start moving when other teams start to want our players and the PL teams want to loan there players neither of which is likely to happen until mid August. Until then we will just have to enjoy the ride or not as the case maybe.

Interestingly enough, Dougie said something along those lines quite recently. It is very possible that football clubs who have been overspending for years are finally tightening up the budgets, and this is causing something of a credit crunch.

Just saying the noises out of the club from Gartside and the tone of the local media reporting and AN all point to that. Not saying its a definite!

[TKIZ!]

The new World, according to Dougie ...

Freedman was speaking after confirming that, beyond the signing of forward Jermaine Beckford, there was no further movement in or out of the club yesterday.

"There is not a lot of money around, apart from one or two clubs. I expect in the next two weeks, people will start swapping players. Gone are the days when there would be big transfers because the money is just not there. I’ll be very involved when it happens. I have a responsibility to the fans to make sure I work every day so that when the opportunity comes up I do the right deal for us.”

Have to say, I like the sound of that little soundbite.

[Norpig]

The new World, according to Dougie ...

Freedman was speaking after confirming that, beyond the signing of forward Jermaine Beckford, there was no further movement in or out of the club yesterday.

"There is not a lot of money around, apart from one or two clubs. I expect in the next two weeks, people will start swapping players. Gone are the days when there would be big transfers because the money is just not there. I’ll be very involved when it happens. I have a responsibility to the fans to make sure I work every day so that when the opportunity comes up I do the right deal for us.”

Have to say, I like the sound of that little soundbite.

Its good to see we have a manager who seems to be saying the right things!! Football should be about creating the best team and not whoever spends the most wins the league.

[Tombwfc]

If Freedman said he wanted three or four in and we've since signed Beckford, how is this an issue to anybody? Two players in the month when the vast majority of business is done does not strike me as unrealistic.

Also, I doubt it's some massive u-turn if Eddie Davies wants us to try and shift some players rather than stockpiling squad filler. We have four centre halves who cost us over £2m, plus Baptiste who'd probably get shifted across if someone got injured anyway. What Championship club can afford that? We've got four first-team strikers plus Eagles, Hall, Chungy, Andrews and Pratley who can play as the advanced midfielder/off the frontman if we chose to play that way, where was Moritz going to fit in?

Mills, Mears, Ream, Andrews, Pratley, Ngog/Sordell/Davies. Some of these have got to go.

[plymouth wanderer]

If Freedman said he wanted three or four in and we've since signed Beckford, how is this an issue to anybody? Two players in the month when the vast majority of business is done does not strike me as unrealistic.

Also, I doubt it's some massive u-turn if Eddie Davies wants us to try and shift some players rather than stockpiling squad filler. We have four centre halves who cost us over £2m, plus Baptiste who'd probably get shifted across if someone got injured anyway. What Championship club can afford that? We've got four first-team strikers plus Eagles, Hall, Chungy, Andrews and Pratley who can play as the advanced midfielder/off the frontman if we chose to play that way, where was Moritz going to fit in?

Mills, Mears, Ream, Andrews, Pratley, Ngog/Sordell/Davies. Some of these have got to go.

^^

[bwfcdan94]

Mears, Ream, Mills and Sordell can all go.

[Prufrock]

If there's money to spend on investments, I can't see why it wouldn't be there for Spearing or Dawson. Not gonna lose money on either of those.

[Mar]

Prufrock the same could've been said for Laville. But it's easy to see why most would take the gamble.

[thebish]

If there's money to spend on investments, I can't see why it wouldn't be there for Spearing or Dawson. Not gonna lose money on either of those.

I think he's heard those words before!!

[thebish]

Prufrock the same could've been said for Laville. But it's easy to see why most would take the gamble.

with their own money?? I suspect not!

[Prufrock]

Anyone can get injured. Of course we could lose money on Dawson or Spearing, but for the same reasons as we could on Rhodes. Big injury, or contract runs down. Alternatively, if Rhodes flops, you've a ginormobucks striker you're struggling to rid yourself of. If Spearing flops, you aren't going to take a big hit on an English midfielder in his mid-twenties with Premier League experience. Dawson between the two, but potentially a big return.

I don't think Rhodes has ever really been on, but where's this huge profit coming from. Even in the big boys league, very few are going to pay £15m north for a striker. He's good, but I don't think he's top-6 good.

[Prufrock]

If there's money to spend on investments, I can't see why it wouldn't be there for Spearing or Dawson. Not gonna lose money on either of those.

I think he's heard those words before!!

Yeah, on circa £5m deals for those in their late-twenties. Even if Spearing is shit, barring mega-injury, you'd still get about a million for him. Young and English makes people go nuts.

[thebish]

He tweeted the other day "I have absolutely zero luck" with a sad face thing. So if there's an injury, we should assume its him. I'd have assumed it was him before seeing that tweet in fairness.

shrewsbury seem to think that before the injury, they were lined up for loaning Riley - so it doesn't look like he figured in our immediate plans anyway...

shrewsbury want to build good relationships with us after the loaning of Eaves - so that they can dine out on the scraps from our table of magnificence...