Grecians from Devon? At home to Exeter Sat,31st Aug ,3-0'clock

[Mar]

‘Can’t criticise the effort’….

Ermmm yes you can. This is a group that definitely does not bleed for the badge.

https://x.com/seanwanderers1/status/183 ... o4TppbHkNQ

Aye, he should go in full blooded there and literally bleed for the badge.

I can hear the complaints now, why has he gone in there. Nothing challenge etc.

Again, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Most the fan base are just jumping on anything to have a go. That'll work. Zero positivity.

There is no excuse for pulling out of that tackle. Not one.

Can we have a proper team back? Please. Something to be proud of.

I'm sure Stuart Holden could give him one.

I'd much rather him be around too, JDC pulling out of that challenge is fair. Entirely different story if its going to cost us a goal or create a chance of note. That's a nothing ball on the edge of the pitch.

[BWFC_Insane]

‘Can’t criticise the effort’….

Ermmm yes you can. This is a group that definitely does not bleed for the badge.

https://x.com/seanwanderers1/status/183 ... o4TppbHkNQ

Aye, he should go in full blooded there and literally bleed for the badge.

I can hear the complaints now, why has he gone in there. Nothing challenge etc.

Again, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Most the fan base are just jumping on anything to have a go. That'll work. Zero positivity.

There is no excuse for pulling out of that tackle. Not one.

Can we have a proper team back? Please. Something to be proud of.

I'm sure Stuart Holden could give him one.

I'd much rather him be around too, JDC pulling out of that challenge is fair. Entirely different story if its going to cost us a goal or create a chance of note. That's a nothing ball on the edge of the pitch.

Some of the stuff on here is like Fox News.

Evatt didn’t think so - he went crazy at the time.

The bare minimum, absolute bare minimum to expect is full commitment. It’s not optional. And we aren’t getting it.

[GhostoftheBok]

Evatt didn’t think so - he went crazy at the time.

I thought the criticism of Evatt was that he sat in his chair silently and didn't offer anything to the players all second half?

[BWFC_Insane]

Evatt didn’t think so - he went crazy at the time.

I thought the criticism of Evatt was that he sat in his chair silently and didn't offer anything to the players all second half?

I’ve not mentioned that - Marc Iles seems to be the one criticising that.

[GhostoftheBok]

I’ve not mentioned that - Marc Iles seems to be the one criticising that.

I wasn't suggesting you did, but we seem to be getting "factual" criticism from loads of different people who all disagree with each other. Not just on opinion bits, but on what actually happens in objective reality.

I just find it interesting how we often see what we expect to see. I know it happens to me sometimes too. I rewatch a game and think "Hang on, that's not how I saw it at the time."

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I just find it interesting how we often see what we expect to see. I know it happens to me sometimes too. I rewatch a game and think "Hang on, that's not how I saw it at the time."

That’s our old friend, confirmation bias. Your brain identifies and collates the evidence that backs your beliefs. See also “we always end oppo’s bad runs”, “new managers always beat us”, “our ex-player will always score against us”. It’s not just Bolton fans that have those beliefs, they’re widespread within football.

On this occasion - I did think Cogz pulled out of that tackle, and I did notice the howls of derision in reaction. Understandable human reactions in both cases IMO, but not the best moment for Cogz to back down.

[BWFC_Insane]

I’ve not mentioned that - Marc Iles seems to be the one criticising that.

I wasn't suggesting you did, but we seem to be getting "factual" criticism from loads of different people who all disagree with each other. Not just on opinion bits, but on what actually happens in objective reality.

I just find it interesting how we often see what we expect to see. I know it happens to me sometimes too. I rewatch a game and think "Hang on, that's not how I saw it at the time."

It’s on the full 90. You can see it. McGinlay also comments about pulling out of the challenge.

[Worthy4England]

I dunno what the expectation is here, there's plenty of blame being handed out by association. You're in the "Evatt Out" camp yet them over their said X so you must think X also, because you're part of "them."

It wasn't me that said anything about Declan John but most time, I suspect most people aren't opening up the huge detailed spreadsheet of disproveable facts. Do I think he's better than a fully fit Randall, no. Then we come onto Ogbeta and I'm a lot less sure. So it's pretty easy in a close season to have an opinion that John might have made the difference. It's not provable, regardless of how large the stat book because John didn't play in those games Ogbeta did. What we have is often opinion with incomplete supporting stats. Somewhat less than proof albeit maybe compelling enough for some...

[BWFC_Insane]

Respect this interview from santos. Genuine honesty. We need a lot more of this. But it’s not easy to come out and admit your failings so massive props to Rico for doing so.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ead-front/

[Worthy4England]

^^

"The captain’s armband can feel a little heavier in tough times like these."

Can't wait for the heavy armbands excuse! Have we weighed all the advertising logos too?

A decent interview, but really, players should be looking in a mirror every day as professional sportsmen. Starting with how lucky am I to have this opportunity. Not just when they're on a poor run.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^

"The captain’s armband can feel a little heavier in tough times like these."

Can't wait for the heavy armbands excuse! Have we weighed all the advertising logos too?

A decent interview, but really, players should be looking in a mirror every day as professional sportsmen. Starting with how lucky am I to have this opportunity. Not just when they're on a poor run.

Agreed but it’s still positive to hear him come out and say it.

One of the problems is that Evatt (and some of the posters on here and social media) have proclaimed that Evatt would be a premiership manager within a few years, santos was a championship level centre half, best in the league, Sheehan the best midfield player in the league etc etc….it goes on. Whilst at the same time when things go wrong finding a lot of reasons why that suddenly don’t include all the ‘these are the best in the league’ statements.

The reality is quite different. There is a reason santos has never played higher than this level. And truth is he’s struggling to be consistent in a team pushing for the top of league one. He’s not and never has been the best defender in the league and always has needed to improve parts of his game significantly to be a championship defender.

Too much smoke has been blown up some of the players backsides and I think it’s partly the reason we struggle. The message has to be you’ve got to earn it and prove it. I feel there has not been enough ‘I think you are good but you’ve got to go and prove it by delivering the goods week in week out and when it most matters’.

I want managers putting their arms round players but under this regime there has been too much of that without enough realism and ‘go and show it’.

Thomason is an exception. He’s improved continuously and is clearly self driven. Doesn’t mean he always plays well but look where he was and look where he is. That’s because he really wants it. He will (assuming he avoids massive injuries) maximise every drop of ability he has. Where that ends up I don’t know. But we lack that attitude widely through the squad imho.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Respect this interview from santos. Genuine honesty. We need a lot more of this. But it’s not easy to come out and admit your failings so massive props to Rico for doing so.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ead-front/

And respect to you for respecting it. Out in the wilds of Twitter it's so polarised and entrenched that I daresay some are looking at this and saying "w*nker".

[Worthy4England]

Respect this interview from santos. Genuine honesty. We need a lot more of this. But it’s not easy to come out and admit your failings so massive props to Rico for doing so.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ead-front/

And respect to you for respecting it. Out in the wilds of Twitter it's so polarised and entrenched that I daresay some are looking at this and saying "w*nker".

Sorta the way of the world, tbf. (At this juncture I'd just like to point out I don't use Twatter)

[TANGODANCER]

Also not being a member of the "Twitterati" cult, good on Ric for honesty. I've felt for a while he looked jaded, but he seems to be addressing his problems and bouncing back. Good on him. Start tonight big fella...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Respect this interview from santos. Genuine honesty. We need a lot more of this. But it’s not easy to come out and admit your failings so massive props to Rico for doing so.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ead-front/

And respect to you for respecting it. Out in the wilds of Twitter it's so polarised and entrenched that I daresay some are looking at this and saying "w*nker".

Sorta the way of the world, tbf. (At this juncture I'd just like to point out I don't use Twatter)

It is indeed indicative of the current level of discourse in much of the world. (Bluesky's coming along nicely.)

[DJBlu]

Respect this interview from santos. Genuine honesty. We need a lot more of this. But it’s not easy to come out and admit your failings so massive props to Rico for doing so.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ead-front/

And respect to you for respecting it. Out in the wilds of Twitter it's so polarised and entrenched that I daresay some are looking at this and saying "w*nker".

Sorta the way of the world, tbf. (At this juncture I'd just like to point out I don't use Twatter)

It is indeed indicative of the current level of discourse in much of the world. (Bluesky's coming along nicely.)

Anyone think Santos would work well with Forino in a back four?

One tackles the other passes. Forino played some excellent balls which cut through Exeter.

[BWFC_Insane]

Respect this interview from santos. Genuine honesty. We need a lot more of this. But it’s not easy to come out and admit your failings so massive props to Rico for doing so.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ead-front/

And respect to you for respecting it. Out in the wilds of Twitter it's so polarised and entrenched that I daresay some are looking at this and saying "w*nker".

Sorta the way of the world, tbf. (At this juncture I'd just like to point out I don't use Twatter)

It is indeed indicative of the current level of discourse in much of the world. (Bluesky's coming along nicely.)

Anyone think Santos would work well with Forino in a back four?

One tackles the other passes. Forino played some excellent balls which cut through Exeter.

I’d want Toal in a back four as he’s the best reader of the game we’ve got.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Anyone think Santos would work well with Forino in a back four?

One tackles the other passes. Forino played some excellent balls which cut through Exeter.

I’d want Toal in a back four as he’s the best reader of the game we’ve got.

Forino definitely an option in a back four. Johnston would have to play left-back as we'd need more than one biggun.

[GhostoftheBok]

I dunno what the expectation is here, there's plenty of blame being handed out by association. You're in the "Evatt Out" camp yet them over their said X so you must think X also, because you're part of "them."

No.

The expectation is that factual claims should be consistent. So if there are hundreds of people attacking Evatt for doing nothing the entire second half and that isn't correct that's informative. If it's a case that Iles said it and other people now say they've seen it too then that's even more informative of what a lot of the criticism is like.

It wasn't my criticism of Insane and I'm not saying he's wrong when he says Evatt was going mental at the players.

However, if Insane is right then I'm going to ignore the criticism of Evatt sitting around doing nothing.

I was totally focused on the football on the pitch and didn't really look at the bench, other than when we made subs.

[Worthy4England]

You're at liberty to ignore what you wish, Ghost. I think your expectation that "factual" claims will be consistent across a significant group is optimistic and probably less so across a significant group on Twitter. I wasn't questioning whether you were disbelieving Insane. I suspect people saying he hid in his shed in the second half may mean maybe more than usual, rather than an analytic thesis with 19 camera angles showing he did in fact park there all second half. Folks do that quite a lot...