Abdoulaye's going t'Souk transfer thread

[BWFC_Insane]

Spoke to a neighbour this morning who went on Sunday. Young bloke, late twenties/thirty. Regular fan. Asked him to comment, he just shook his head sadly. Absolutely nothing to excite going forward. Stressed, like most on here, we badly need some threat up front. Like some (including me) he's far from convinced Dougie has anything different than last season to offer.
Thinks we'll get tonked on Saturday.Sure hope Dougie proves us all wrong.

What do you expect Freedman to "offer"? Is he meant to put his boots on and stick himself up front?

Well, since he's being paid a hefty salary to manage the club I'd sincerely hope that the majority of supporters might expect him to produce something akin to fighting spirit from the team that are also being paid hefty salaries, and, I know it's a lot to ask, but a team capable of doing that. I do realise and apologise again for the fact that I'm not a real fan like yourself who goes to every game. It's just that when you make one of your staggering statments I tend to forget myself.

Well you say we've no threat up front. Everyone agrees, including the manager. What do you want him to do about that? Seeing as it is clear that he is limited on bringing players in. Did he not produce a team with fighting spirit the second half of last season? I'd say so. I fully expect us to have fighting spirit this season. But the issue is scoring goals.

[bobo the clown]

Y'know Insane, it's OK being "the voice of reason" but you appear to be the voice of subjugation. Once in a while it's OK to be critical. Unless you're Dougie's dad.... or Dougie, in which case get the fck off here and get back to work .... it's bizarre how you defend every single thing you see.

Part of DF's role is to bring organisation and positivity to the table. That's ACTUALLY his job. This is HIS squad. He sounds to me to be being defeatist, making early excuses. If that's how he feels he should fck off.

[Gary the Enfield]

Quote: What do you want him to do about that? Seeing as it is clear that he is limited on bringing players in.

How about stop buying/ loaning midfielders and instead buying/ loaning strikers?

[BWFC_Insane]

Y'know Insane, it's OK being "the voice of reason" but you appear to be the voice of subjugation. Once in a while it's OK to be critical. Unless you're Dougie's dad.... or Dougie, in which case get the fck off here and get back to work .... it's bizarre how you defend every single thing you see.

Part of DF's role is to bring organisation and positivity to the table. That's ACTUALLY his job. This is HIS squad. He sounds to me to be being defeatist, making early excuses. If that's how he feels he should fck off.

I am critical when I feel it warrants it - see my views on Beckford as a signing. I find it increasingly tiring that every discussion is around Dougie and that the world revolves around him and whether he should be in a job or not.

There are far wider questions. The future of the club is not really about who manages it. But TD was moaning we have no options up front, so I asked him what he wanted DF to do about that. Then he talked about fighting spirit.

It seems like people would rather just rag on DF than accept other things are at play in our problems. Some critcism is fair enough but you'd think every issue we have would be fixed merely by changing managers. The issue of no strikers, no money, a huge debt, no players of value within the squad remains.

Like I said before I want us to be successful and I couldn't care less who is manager over and above that. But we're in a bad place and it has taken 7 or 8 years to sink down here. Of course all managers including Allardyce onwards have some responsibility for that, Dougie as well. But the situation is well beyond a simplistic "lets change manager".

It is a longer term problem that will not, and can not be solved in the short term.

[BWFC_Insane]

Quote: What do you want him to do about that? Seeing as it is clear that he is limited on bringing players in.

How about stop buying/ loaning midfielders and instead buying/ loaning strikers?

Isn't that what he's trying to do?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Have to say, I saw this and thought of you, BWFCi...

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[TANGODANCER]

There are far wider questions. The future of the club is not really about who manages it. But TD was moaning we have no options up front, so I asked him what he wanted DF to do about that. Then he talked about fighting spirit.

T.D was doing nothing of the sort (although we don't have muchor many). I said we badly need some "threat" up front, something to pressure the opposition. That means some fight. Right now it seems our manager is just incapable of inspiring what strikers we have. That was my point. I'm never quite sure which side of the fence you're on, but if you're happy, then fine, carry on.

[BWFC_Insane]

There are far wider questions. The future of the club is not really about who manages it. But TD was moaning we have no options up front, so I asked him what he wanted DF to do about that. Then he talked about fighting spirit.

T.D was doing nothing of the sort (although we don't have muchor many). I said we badly need some "threat" up front, something to pressure the opposition. That means some fight. Right now it seems our manager is just incapable of inspiring what strikers we have. That was my point. I'm never quite sure which side of the fence you're on, but if you're happy, then fine, carry on.

Why is it a case of "not inspiring them"? I mean could it just be that we've only two senior strikers and neither are that great?

[thebish]

Y'know Insane, it's OK being "the voice of reason" but you appear to be the voice of subjugation. Once in a while it's OK to be critical. Unless you're Dougie's dad.... or Dougie, in which case get the fck off here and get back to work .... it's bizarre how you defend every single thing you see.

Part of DF's role is to bring organisation and positivity to the table. That's ACTUALLY his job. This is HIS squad. He sounds to me to be being defeatist, making early excuses. If that's how he feels he should fck off.

please no!!! Coyle gave us enough of that!!!!

you'll be calling for a clapping-seal of a manager in a tracksuit next!!

[thebish]

we could always wait and see what the first few games bring... how anyone can judge NOW whether our strikers are "inspired" or not or receiving the appropriate level of "positivity", I simply don't know...

[StaffsTrotter]

Y'know Insane, it's OK being "the voice of reason" but you appear to be the voice of subjugation. Once in a while it's OK to be critical. Unless you're Dougie's dad.... or Dougie, in which case get the fck off here and get back to work .... it's bizarre how you defend every single thing you see.

Part of DF's role is to bring organisation and positivity to the table. That's ACTUALLY his job. This is HIS squad. He sounds to me to be being defeatist, making early excuses. If that's how he feels he should fck off.

rationalisation and justification rather than subjugation I'd suggest, but otherwise I just marvel as insanos tenacity for taking on all comers with real or perceived sleights on freedman. This isn't what you do in those extra afternoon sessions we've been hearing about is it douggie ?

[thebish]

i don't see any justification for anyone suggesting that BWFCi is making out he is any more "real" a fan than anyone else - he just asked a question!

anyway - this is the transfer thread - so - hot of the press transfer news delivered to your grubby little screen:

Norwich City are not looking to swap Canaries’ midfielder Anthony Pilkington for Bolton’s South Korean midfielder Chung-Yong Lee after fresh speculation on Thursday hinted City could be prepared to offload the Republic of Ireland international.

Norwich took up an option in Pilkington’s contract earlier this summer keeping at Carrow Road until 2015, although the midfielder’s lack of pre-season action continues to fuel transfer speculation over his long-term future.

Pilkington scored in the 1-1 friendly draw against SC Bastia in Sallanches last month but was introduced from the substitutes’ bench in both Carrow Road home outings last week against OGC Nice and Celta Vigo.

Reports Pilkington could be exchanged for the South Korean international, who is also entering the final year of his current deal with the Trotters, first surfaced at the weekend in the Sunday People who suggested transfer talks were imminent between both clubs.

The 26-year-old started just 10 Premier League games last season because of hamstring problems and has struggled to establish himself in the Canaries’ starting line up after an encouraging debut season for the club following his reported £2m move from Huddersfield in 2011.

Lee, who was touted with Premier League Hull City only last month, started all three of South Korea’s group games during a disappointing World Cup campaign in Brazil this summer and has been at Bolton since joining from FC Seoul for a fee of £2.2m in August 2009. He has played 169 games for the Trotters, scoring 17 goals.

Pilkington has previously been linked with both Swansea City and Aston Villa in previous transfer windows. The Darwen-bred midfielder started his career with Stockport after being part of Blackburn’s academy set-up before he was released as a teenager.

[Lord Kangana]

Quote: What do you want him to do about that? Seeing as it is clear that he is limited on bringing players in.

How about stop buying/ loaning midfielders and instead buying/ loaning strikers?

We have to build from the back though. If you don't build from the back you have to build from the front, and then where would that get us, eh? Answer me that!

[thebish]

Quote: What do you want him to do about that? Seeing as it is clear that he is limited on bringing players in.

How about stop buying/ loaning midfielders and instead buying/ loaning strikers?

We have to build from the back though. If you don't build from the back you have to build from the front, and then where would that get us, eh? Answer me that!

sammy lee??

[Lord Kangana]

Its an interesting idea Bish. What were our stats for the first ten games of his tenure?

[thebish]

Its an interesting idea Bish. What were our stats for the first ten games of his tenure?

no idea!

[Harry Genshaw]

There are far wider questions. The future of the club is not really about who manages it. But TD was moaning we have no options up front, so I asked him what he wanted DF to do about that. Then he talked about fighting spirit.

T.D was doing nothing of the sort (although we don't have muchor many). I said we badly need some "threat" up front, something to pressure the opposition. That means some fight. Right now it seems our manager is just incapable of inspiring what strikers we have. That was my point. I'm never quite sure which side of the fence you're on, but if you're happy, then fine, carry on.

Why is it a case of "not inspiring them"? I mean could it just be that we've only two senior strikers and neither are that great?

Both of whom were purchased by....

I'm sure we're all aware that we can't splash out loads on a new striker but amongst the business he has done its disappointing there's not one in there

[thebish]

shopping in the bargain basement is always a gamble - there may be as many duds as winners... it's disappointing - but, I suspect there were also a few of us on here who thought Beckford MIGHT do the business... maybe he still will - here's hoping!

and - last season some were clamouring for the return of Cravies rather than waste our time loaning in the Juke and bringing mason back - were they not??

[TKIZ!]

Bendtner and Ameobi are still doing nowt.

[BWFC_Insane]

There are far wider questions. The future of the club is not really about who manages it. But TD was moaning we have no options up front, so I asked him what he wanted DF to do about that. Then he talked about fighting spirit.

T.D was doing nothing of the sort (although we don't have muchor many). I said we badly need some "threat" up front, something to pressure the opposition. That means some fight. Right now it seems our manager is just incapable of inspiring what strikers we have. That was my point. I'm never quite sure which side of the fence you're on, but if you're happy, then fine, carry on.

Why is it a case of "not inspiring them"? I mean could it just be that we've only two senior strikers and neither are that great?

Both of whom were purchased by....

I'm sure we're all aware that we can't splash out loads on a new striker but amongst the business he has done its disappointing there's not one in there

I wouldn't disagree with that. But ultimately when you're not spending much, and Beckford and Davies are both cheap by striker standards there is always a risk. Not every cheap striker will turn out to be a star, odds are stacked against you.

He found another cheap striker who was superb (see fee Forest just paid for a league one striker as comparison) but the funds weren't there.

I've said all along that Beckford was an error but as I say not every striker you buy without spending much will work out....