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Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:28 am

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Post by Spartan2 » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:06 am

Cannot understand the negativity about Nolan. We lack leaders and goals. Nolan has been the captain at three different premier league clubs. Managers don't tend to make the shit players captain. he scores from midfield, he's been the top scorer for his premier league team -from midfield!- multiple times. How many of our players can say they've scored winners at old Trafford, or managed a premier league hat-trick? He's been promoted from this league three times! He was still a top player for west ham the season before last, he's had an injury and some poor performances (so I've read about) but that doesn't mean he's finished, if this wasn't the case we'd have no chance anyway. Seriously would you rather have dobby, Danns, spearing, trotter? Vela? Than Nolan? he is the exact player we should be trying to get, it's not like we're spoilt for choice.

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Post by boltonboris » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:09 am

Nolan for me is effective when he's playing with a good, reliable striker who can play on the deck and especially in the air - If we don;t get one of those, then it's useless spunking our wad on him.

He's a top goalscorer, but only in the right team with the right front men
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:14 am

Spartan2 wrote:Seriously would you rather have dobby, Danns, spearing, trotter? Vela? Than Nolan? he is the exact player we should be trying to get, it's not like we're spoilt for choice.
Lennon says we've got the funds to get one more player. Are you happy with our centre-forward choices?

Broadly speaking, there are three midfield positions: holding/central midfield, advanced midfield, and out wide.

He's not a wide player, never was, so let's not even bother discussing that.

Even at his peak he was never really a deeper central midfielder - either playmaker or destroyer – and while some players can mature into that deeper role at some point or other (Pirlo switched from trequartista to regista in his teens to accommodate Roberto Baggio in the same Brescia team), there hasn't been much indication to date that Nolan (now 33) can change.

In short: as a midfielder, how good is his passing and tackling?

His best seasons have come in the advanced midfield role, where he can arrive late in the area and score. Which is a great knack to have, one we'd love, but as he can't pass or tackle, you need two central midfielders behind him. So you either have one striker... or a back three.

So, here's the question: who would you drop from the XI? Or would you use this final financial roll of the dice as a bit-part sub?

I like the guy and admire what he did for us, but I think signing him would be acting through emotion rather than intellect. Couple that with us being so seriously skint that we can't even pay two more players, so he'd be our only signing, and it would worry me immensely.

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Re: If carlsberg did transfer threads.....This would be it!

Post by TKIZ! » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:18 am

Spartan2 wrote:Cannot understand the negativity about Nolan. We lack leaders and goals. Nolan has been the captain at three different premier league clubs. Managers don't tend to make the shit players captain. he scores from midfield, he's been the top scorer for his premier league team -from midfield!- multiple times. How many of our players can say they've scored winners at old Trafford, or managed a premier league hat-trick? He's been promoted from this league three times! He was still a top player for west ham the season before last, he's had an injury and some poor performances (so I've read about) but that doesn't mean he's finished, if this wasn't the case we'd have no chance anyway. Seriously would you rather have dobby, Danns, spearing, trotter? Vela? Than Nolan? he is the exact player we should be trying to get, it's not like we're spoilt for choice.
I'd rather have Dobbie, Danns and Spearing if it meant breaking a wage structure just on the chance that Nolan had MoTM performances every game and scored shedloads. There is no guarantee, and I'd rather we didn't risk the long term future of the club.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:33 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Lennon says we've got the funds to get one more player. Are you happy with our centre-forward choices?
Is the issue exactly. Like many, I'd love to see Nobby back, but in the great scheme of priorities he doesn't head the list for me, at all.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:50 am

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Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Lennon says we've got the funds to get one more player. Are you happy with our centre-forward choices?
Is the issue exactly. Like many, I'd love to see Nobby back, but in the great scheme of priorities he doesn't head the list for me, at all.
Aye. I have tactical concerns but it's mainly fiscal.

If - if - we could get Spearing-or-Medo off the wage bill (loan?) and Nolan in on an equivalent or lower wage, short-term (say to the end of the season), then I would start to be interested.

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Post by TKIZ! » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:02 am

Few CF's still available since their release from clubs, here's a selection:

Jonathan Pereira Rodriguez - known as Jonathan in Spain...only 5ft 5in but like a whippet, not bad scoring rate
Nicky Maynard - still without a club (could be attitude problem? Not great goalscoring record)
Leon Best - attitude problem again, could need a arm round the shoulder
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Post by bobo the clown » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:21 am

Nick Maynard clubless ? Really ?

Has he had a bad injury or something ?
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:31 am

bobo the clown wrote:Nick Maynard clubless ? Really ?

Has he had a bad injury or something ?
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Post by TKIZ! » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:32 am

bobo the clown wrote:Nick Maynard clubless ? Really ?

Has he had a bad injury or something ?
I can't find anything to suggest he's injured now or since his release from Cardiff. Can only think it might be an attitude issue a la Marvin?
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Post by TKIZ! » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:33 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Maynard" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'd be at least looking at giving him a trial if he was interested with a goals/games ratio like that as Worthy suggests
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Post by bobo the clown » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:37 am

^^ just saw that .... and thought the exact opposite. Opinions eh ?

A career constantly halted by injuries. Small flurries of form followed by a demise. Exactly what we aren't looking for.
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Post by TKIZ! » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:39 am

bobo the clown wrote:^^ just saw that .... and thought the exact opposite. Opinions eh ?

A career constantly halted by injuries. Small flurries of form followed by a demise. Exactly what we aren't looking for.
Very true, Bobo. :wink: Probably why I'm not a scout.

Mind you a trial wouldn't cost anything and can't hurt
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:46 am

I'm not a huge one for examining goal records because often they can be skewed by a one off season that is never repeated.

But an average of 1 goal in less than 3 games is excellent. Worth a look at least.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:50 am

Maynard has been offered a deal with McDons - he's been training with them recently

It's entirely possible we can't afford him

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Post by TKIZ! » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:52 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:I'm not a huge one for examining goal records because often they can be skewed by a one off season that is never repeated.

But an average of 1 goal in less than 3 games is excellent. Worth a look at least.
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Post by Prufrock » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:15 am

boltonboris wrote:Nolan for me is effective when he's playing with a good, reliable striker who can play on the deck and especially in the air - If we don;t get one of those, then it's useless spunking our wad on him.

He's a top goalscorer, but only in the right team with the right front men
I've only seen highlights and the last bit of the Blackburn game this year so not a lot to go on - is Madine definitely not the guy? Is he wank, or might be OK if he got a goal?
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Post by Peter Thompson » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:33 am

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boltonboris wrote:Nolan for me is effective when he's playing with a good, reliable striker who can play on the deck and especially in the air - If we don;t get one of those, then it's useless spunking our wad on him.

He's a top goalscorer, but only in the right team with the right front men
I've only seen highlights and the last bit of the Blackburn game this year so not a lot to go on - is Madine definitely not the guy? Is he wank, or might be OK if he got a goal?
I've seen him a few times this season, and for me based on what I've seen so far I don't rate him (but I can be quite harsh !!) - IMO he has no composure in front of goal even when in good positions, It could be a lack of confidence or lack of ability (I suspect its lack of ability), although a goal tonight against his old club would prove me and a few other doubters wrong.

He just doesn't look like a natural goal scorer to me, and I also thought that he would be more physical than he is....

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:35 am

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boltonboris wrote:Nolan for me is effective when he's playing with a good, reliable striker who can play on the deck and especially in the air - If we don;t get one of those, then it's useless spunking our wad on him.

He's a top goalscorer, but only in the right team with the right front men
I've only seen highlights and the last bit of the Blackburn game this year so not a lot to go on - is Madine definitely not the guy? Is he wank, or might be OK if he got a goal?
Tough one to call on Madine. A goal tonight would help him no end. But his overall game is a bit frustrating. Mis-times his jumps, tries to be too clever at times rather than just make life difficult for defenders or shield the ball and sometimes needs to use his physicality far better.

He's not a lost cause but so far it is hard to see him being the answer if we are eyeing say a top half finish. Purely because what we've seen and his overall record simply doesn't add up to many goals. I'd say that if he misses chances like he has been the rest of his game is not good enough to compensate. He's no Kevin Davies. Not as effective yet, as Craig Davies was for that matter.

I'd not write him off at all, but ideally at this point we'd have another option (that isn't Heskey) to either bring on earlier if Madine isn't working out, OR to start ahead of him to try and take the pressure off.

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