Ipswich Match Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

He got a striker in. I doubt he was "forced" to do anything. Other than balance the books. Which is far from new news.

NGog left....

According to Nixon Ngog was on £35K a week. Davies on £5K a week.

The two we signed are on about £14K between them. That is far from "balancing" anything.

Nixon has also said that Dougie is allowed to bring in 2 loans which would bring us upto the 40k.

He changes his mind on what Dougie is "allowed to do". I can't for one minute imagine we won't be active for loans when the market re-opens.

I also don't believe we have anything like £26K a week to spend but just chose "not to in January".

[Lord Kangana]

Sorry, you're quoting an unreliable source at us as fact?

[CrazyHorse]

According to Nixon Ngog was on £35K a week. Davies on £5K a week.

The two we signed are on about £14K between them. That is far from "balancing" anything.

So ge got rid of Davies to save cash, 5k a week. Then replaces him with one of the two loaners on 14k between them. Around 7k each.
Genius. Another managerial masterstroke from The Worlds Greatest Manager. What a prick.

[BWFC_Insane]

Sorry, you're quoting an unreliable source at us as fact?

Knowing players wages is somewhat different to knowing the mind of Eddie Davies over the next few weeks and months.

So yes, I think it is reasonable to assume the wages he quoted are at the very least "ball park".

[Lord Kangana]

Assume. Ball park. And so the climb down starts.

[BWFC_Insane]

Assume. Ball park. And so the climb down starts.

Not every single thing is a battle to be won.

[Lord Kangana]

Are you being serious?

[Tombwfc]

I found it amusing/horrifying that upon signing Liam Trotter, someone (presumably from the club) described to Marc Iles his wages as being 'League One'. Given he's played over 100 games at this level, and most of those as Millwall's best player, I fear that says more about what we're paying players that anything else. FYI, the average Championship player is on £4k a week.

I feel some people are mistaking the natural budget cutting that comes when you get relegated, with some kind of fire-sale. Take a look at our ins and outs since the last accounting period finished (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd ... =transfers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). Does it look like we're selling everything that's not nailed down? Or does it look like we're moving on players who genuinely aren't worth what we're paying them?

You'll know when the fire-sale starts when we start sending the likes of Lee, Beckford and Mark Davies out on loan, not somebody on relative pittance who the manager clearly doesn't fancy.

[BWFC_Insane]

I found it amusing/horrifying that upon signing Liam Trotter, someone (presumably from the club) described to Marc Iles his wages as being 'League One'. Given he's played over 100 games at this level, and most of those as Millwall's best player, I fear that says more about what we're paying players that anything else. FYI, the average Championship player is on £4k a week.

I feel some people are mistaking the natural budget cutting that comes when you get relegated, with some kind of fire-sale. Take a look at our ins and outs since the last accounting period finished (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd ... =transfers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). Does it look like we're selling everything that's not nailed down? Or does it look like we're moving on players who genuinely aren't worth what we're paying them?

You'll know when the fire-sale starts when we start sending the likes of Lee, Beckford and Mark Davies out on loan, not somebody on relative pittance who the manager clearly doesn't fancy.

Which of our players do you think we wouldn't have sold had a bid come in for them in January?

I'm not saying we're having to sell players to imminently stave off administration. What we are doing is coming down in line with FFP. A more pertinent thing to do might be to work out what our turnover is as a championship side with no parachute payments. Because that will directly dictate where our wage bill will sit in the championship table and where ultimately we are headed, from a financial position at the very least.

[Lord Kangana]

Which still doesn't explain why we loaned out Davies, on £5k pw in your scenario, to loan in someone else, on £7k in your scenario. Other than he feels Davies isn't up to it.

[Prufrock]

Can't say I buy 5k Davies being sent out to save money. Ngog yes, but Cravies no. Seems much more likely that he's go e simply coz Deedman would rather spend that 5k on someone else.

[BWFC_Insane]

Can't say I buy 5k Davies being sent out to save money. Ngog yes, but Cravies no. Seems much more likely that he's go e simply coz Deedman would rather spend that 5k on someone else.

Unless of course when pushing the Trotter deal along, Freedman was under the impression we had saved enough to bring him in with NGog's wages but was told that Davies would have to go....

Not saying that is the case, but these things are probably more shades of grey than black and white. Iles saying it wasn't Dougie's decision is somewhat odd for a local journalist who broadly toes the club line.

Whether it was Freedman's choice, or not, or whatever it is still a strange decision.

[Lord Kangana]

Why bring Totter in then?

You seem to be failing to put together cause with effect.

[bobo the clown]

I still think that, following this outrageous treatment, he should resign.

[jaffka]

Can't say I buy 5k Davies being sent out to save money. Ngog yes, but Cravies no. Seems much more likely that he's go e simply coz Deedman would rather spend that 5k on someone else.

Unless of course when pushing the Trotter deal along, Freedman was under the impression we had saved enough to bring him in with NGog's wages but was told that Davies would have to go....

Not saying that is the case, but these things are probably more shades of grey than black and white. Iles saying it wasn't Dougie's decision is somewhat odd for a local journalist who broadly toes the club line.

Whether it was Freedman's choice, or not, or whatever it is still a strange decision.

Seriously, you are on one massive piss take aren't you.

[LeverEnd]

Iles is in love with Dougie though. And garty doesn't like the BN,

[Prufrock]

Can't say I buy 5k Davies being sent out to save money. Ngog yes, but Cravies no. Seems much more likely that he's go e simply coz Deedman would rather spend that 5k on someone else.

Unless of course when pushing the Trotter deal along, Freedman was under the impression we had saved enough to bring him in with NGog's wages but was told that Davies would have to go....

Not saying that is the case, but these things are probably more shades of grey than black and white. Iles saying it wasn't Dougie's decision is somewhat odd for a local journalist who broadly toes the club line.

Whether it was Freedman's choice, or not, or whatever it is still a strange decision.

I thought we had 26kpw to play with?

Even of it was a direct choice between Trotter and Davies (in which case no-one is coming on on loan are they, coz thebpot is empty) then, given we've one other fit striker, who rocked up last Tuesday, and plenty midfielder, happen we'd have been better keeping Davies?

[Enoch]

Anyone that was at the game got a match report?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Anyone that was at the game got a match report?

Insano might be able to help as he said a report was spot on, meaning he must have seen the game

[Tombwfc]

I found it amusing/horrifying that upon signing Liam Trotter, someone (presumably from the club) described to Marc Iles his wages as being 'League One'. Given he's played over 100 games at this level, and most of those as Millwall's best player, I fear that says more about what we're paying players that anything else. FYI, the average Championship player is on £4k a week.

I feel some people are mistaking the natural budget cutting that comes when you get relegated, with some kind of fire-sale. Take a look at our ins and outs since the last accounting period finished (http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd ... =transfers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). Does it look like we're selling everything that's not nailed down? Or does it look like we're moving on players who genuinely aren't worth what we're paying them?

You'll know when the fire-sale starts when we start sending the likes of Lee, Beckford and Mark Davies out on loan, not somebody on relative pittance who the manager clearly doesn't fancy.

Which of our players do you think we wouldn't have sold had a bid come in for them in January?

I'm not saying we're having to sell players to imminently stave off administration. What we are doing is coming down in line with FFP. A more pertinent thing to do might be to work out what our turnover is as a championship side with no parachute payments. Because that will directly dictate where our wage bill will sit in the championship table and where ultimately we are headed, from a financial position at the very least.

We'd have sold all of them for a reasonable bid. We're 20th. They're hardly ripping up trees.

However, had we frantically gone around trying to shift the likes of Lee, Beckford, Spearing, Eagles and Mark Davies for next to nothing, they wouldn't be here. If there's a club that would take Ngog there's a club for all of them.

Like I said, look at that list of incomings and outgoings. If we are doing what you say we are (slashing the budget left, right and centre to save £40m and not fall foul of FFP), where is the evidence for it?

The longer we stay in the Championship the more our finances have to fall into line with what you'd expect for a mid-sized Championship club. That shouldn't come as a big shock to anyone. It certainly isn't an excuse for Dougie, it's the opposite. He has had the best resources available and a competitive advantage over the majority of our rivals (parachute payments) and he's squandered it hopelessly.