Lessons learned . Away to Cambridge Tues, 26th Nov. 1745.

[officer_dibble]

Absolute madness.

All we can hope is that Auntie Sharon’s grip on finances is a lot better than her football knowledge. Chucking money at promotion landed us with Anderson and Holdsworth and as bad as staying in league one is, it is ore preferable than visiting the world of administration again.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I noticed he's dropped the careful with money thing he always mentions. I get you need to constantly evolve the team, but it has already 'evolved' significantly and sounds like we now want to ship some of the mistakes out now. I thought we were adding to get over the line in summer

Someone remind Shazza the phrase about doing the same things and expecting different results.

Edit: If we're not potting him then I'd be telling him this was the squad he wanted and to get on with it. If he brings Dan back as the answer then he deserves all the abuse he'll get (well, no one deserves abuse, but you get what I mean).

[officer_dibble]

He’ll ship Lolos out on loan. That was his chance on Tuesday and yeah he failed. Possibly could sell Victor, another he can’t work out how to get the best out of.

[BWFC_Insane]

Recruitment at Bolton has been incredibly poor. I’ve had that view for a while. Whoever is making the decisions really needs to be dealt with. It’s been expensive and we’ve barely signed ideal players in key positions.

I doubt we have made a signing in the last two years who we could make a profit on in January.

Markham either is not very good or Evatt is just producing the wrong asks. Either way it’s been abysmal.

[Mar]

Clearly the approach has been taken from a data science perspective that's chucking out numbers saying the top positions will create more goal scoring chances. It's almost like the data science says x and we've just taken it at its word without fully investigating what the knock on effect would be.

Cue losing two staff members who bore the brunt of the critique in favour of keeping Evatt and were now trying to address the madness that was a signing policy catering to the three up top.

It's a self inflicted problem due to neglecting certain areas of the pitch over others. We were all aware Santos was struggling and we ploughed on with him rather than getting adequate options. Almost as if we hoped he would match pre injury form.

I don't think anyone looked at our defensive signings and thought we improved in that area. It's more a case of we expanded our options and hope it comes good.

Add to that our midfield selections and its really questionable. I presume Maghoma was expected to come back but didn't, leaving us in the lurch and reliant upon Lolos who seems like a prospect rather than a ready to go acquisition.

I don't think these have been poor signings per se, just poor signings relative to what was needed. These are decent players that gives us too many options in one area and not enough in others.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Summer signings looked designed to add depth or better alternatives, but none bar Schon and possibly McAtee/Matete (McAtete?) improved the first XI. (Possibly Tutu if he's ever fit, but there’s the rub.) And some have been downright disappointing, so far at least.

Very interested to see who the outs might be. They’re all Evatt/Markham signings (bar Tomo) so none are more embarrassing than others to get rid of. Who would you get shut of?

[Mar]

Summer signings looked designed to add depth or better alternatives, but none bar Schon and possibly McAtee/Matete (McAtete?) improved the first XI. (Possibly Tutu if he's ever fit, but there’s the rub.) And some have been downright disappointing, so far at least.

Very interested to see who the outs might be. They’re all Evatt/Markham signings (bar Tomo) so none are more embarrassing than others to get rid of. Who would you get shut of?

Not overly keen on any of them going per se, but I suspect there's a handful that haven't improved the squad since signing and we could do with upgrades.

Forrester, Arfield, Matheson are the ones i'd be looking to replace for a midfielder and a defender and a youth option that warrants game time. Arfield has looked okay, but just seems more suited to retiring ala Jerome than he does actually stepping up and delivering for the future. Matheson isn't getting game time and Forrester, well he's injuring himself on staircases and underperforming when in the squad.

We need a brand commanding CB like Mads Andersen to come in and sure up the defence. I like Santos, Toal, Johnston, Jones. Forino too early to tell, but they could do with someone on a par with Santos at his best to . Absence of Maghoma is a problem too, so we're needing someone to step up in there too, someone like Connell for instance would work well.

[BWFC_Insane]

Summer signings looked designed to add depth or better alternatives, but none bar Schon and possibly McAtee/Matete (McAtete?) improved the first XI. (Possibly Tutu if he's ever fit, but there’s the rub.) And some have been downright disappointing, so far at least.

Very interested to see who the outs might be. They’re all Evatt/Markham signings (bar Tomo) so none are more embarrassing than others to get rid of. Who would you get shut of?

I think it needs a complete rebuild. Nothing would be off the table for me. Obvs new manager. But there isn’t a player I wouldn’t be willing to sell in this squad. Mostly for not much money.

Thomason would be one I’d like to keep but if he attracts a decent fee then we need the money.

Charles I’d prefer stayed but being realistic he’s one of the few worth something.

Baxter, Santos. Sheehan, any of the strikers I’d not turn down much for them.

Obviously no all at once. But needs a new spine this team.

[TANGODANCER]

none are more embarrassing than others to get rid of. Who would you get shut of?

I think it needs a complete rebuild. Nothing would be off the table for me. Obvs new manager. But
[/quote]

Wonderful. Get rid of the lot. Perhaps a new name too; Horwich Hotshots, or Rivington Rovers maybe.
Better still, sell the ground, build some houses and we'll all support Man United or City.. Is there no end to your complaining?

[BWFC_Insane]

none are more embarrassing than others to get rid of. Who would you get shut of?

I think it needs a complete rebuild. Nothing would be off the table for me. Obvs new manager. But

Wonderful. Get rid of the lot. Perhaps a new name too; Horwich Hotshots, or Rivington Rovers maybe.
Better still, sell the ground, build some houses and we'll all support Man United or City.. Is there no end to your complaining?


[/quote]

These players aren’t the club. They are just players who have failed to get us promoted from league one. The club will still be here when they have all gone. As ever. Recognizing they are poor ambassadors for our club is not abandoning it. Quite the opposite.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I wonder if we would now actively welcome the biannual Turkish interest in Adeboyejo. At his best he offers us something different but he’s not at his best (see also: everyone else), and we surely won’t get a new striker without losing one.

[officer_dibble]

That’s the thing isn’t it. From all the noise coming from the idiot he’s looking at forwards (we’ve got 4 + one failed out on loan) and attacking mids (we’ve got Dempsey, Lolos and Arfield). I just don’t get it - who’s sanctioning the chuckle brothers to go and waste more?

[TANGODANCER]

none are more embarrassing than others to get rid of. Who would you get shut of?

I think it needs a complete rebuild. Nothing would be off the table for me. Obvs new manager. But

Wonderful. Get rid of the lot. Perhaps a new name too; Horwich Hotshots, or Rivington Rovers maybe.
Better still, sell the ground, build some houses and we'll all support Man United or City.. Is there no end to your complaining?

These players aren’t the club. They are just players who have failed to get us promoted from league one. The club will still be here when they have all gone. As ever. Recognizing they are poor ambassadors for our club is not abandoning it. Quite the opposite.
[/quote]

Sorry mate, but when the club stops being about its players we may as well send out a team of robots. Is football just about success then ? I'm sure Thommo and co will be glad to hear that. I thought we'd left that atitude behind with the likes of selling off Per Frandsen and Kev Nolan without even telling them. I'd have thought community team attitude was much preferable to eleven strangers who hardly know each others names. Must be me.

[BWFC_Insane]

none are more embarrassing than others to get rid of. Who would you get shut of?

I think it needs a complete rebuild. Nothing would be off the table for me. Obvs new manager. But

Wonderful. Get rid of the lot. Perhaps a new name too; Horwich Hotshots, or Rivington Rovers maybe.
Better still, sell the ground, build some houses and we'll all support Man United or City.. Is there no end to your complaining?

These players aren’t the club. They are just players who have failed to get us promoted from league one. The club will still be here when they have all gone. As ever. Recognizing they are poor ambassadors for our club is not abandoning it. Quite the opposite.

Sorry mate, but when the club stops being about its players we may as well send out a team of robots. Is football just about success then ? I'm sure Thommo and co will be glad to hear that. I thought we'd left that atitude behind with the likes of selling off Per Frandsen and Kev Nolan without even telling them. I'd have thought community team attitude was much preferable to eleven strangers who hardly know each others names. Must be me.


[/quote]

The club is the fans. The town. Not a bunch of paid mercenaries who happen to be there at any one time. There are historical exceptions in the last 35 years or so for sure. Players who clearly went above and beyond and deserve all those accolades. We can all name them.

None of this lot are in that category. Not even close.