Freedman out!

[BWFC_Insane]

The broad point is that we haven't developed any youngsters to fully fledged first team regulars or even squad regulars for a long long time. Considering the academy and supposed investment that is a poor return however you view it.

[BWFC_Insane]

Really? That wasn't my intention. I think he's slagging off my club and trying to big himself up, all while doing a very poor job as its manager. if you just think I'm trying to points score I'll discuss it with someone else.

No, what I meant was I very much doubt everything Freedman says is to try and distract people, he said very similar early on in his spell. He knows results are rubbish, but he has to talk about stuff sometimes, that isn't directly related to that.

[bobo the clown]

Christ Almighty Insane. Are you his agent, or hhis brother or what ??

It's OK having a more supportive take on things but this is ludicrous.

[Lord Kangana]

A long time including the 18 months that the present incumbent has done f*ck all in. Our most recent academy and youth graduates, who were extensively loaned out and/or sold (so f*cking wrong again Douggie) were Chris Basham, Danny Ward and Adam Bogdan. One plays in our first team, the other two brought in £2m.

[LeverEnd]

Really? That wasn't my intention. I think he's slagging off my club and trying to big himself up, all while doing a very poor job as its manager. if you just think I'm trying to points score I'll discuss it with someone else.

No, what I meant was I very much doubt everything Freedman says is to try and distract people, he said very similar early on in his spell. He knows results are rubbish, but he has to talk about stuff sometimes, that isn't directly related to that.

Yes he does, and it's a relevant time to do so as he's about to send a few out. I'll put it a different way - he's offered a very one-sided view and I think it's because he is in a defensive frame of mind* due to his current precarious position.

*no pun intended!

[BWFC_Insane]

A long time including the 18 months that the present incumbent has done f*ck all in. Our most recent academy and youth graduates, who were extensively loaned out and/or sold (so f*cking wrong again Douggie) were Chris Basham, Danny Ward and Adam Bogdan. One plays in our first team, the other two brought in £2m.

Adam Bogdan? Really?

[Lord Kangana]

Oh, so we're scrutinising things now are we?

So, just to recap, the dickhead who's been here since the start of October 2012, and has managed the grand total of loaning out Tom bloody Eaves (brought in by a previous manager, not even from our academy) is bemoaning that we don't loan enough players out.

How much time does he want before he realises he's been in charge for that long, and its his fault that we don't?

[bobo the clown]

A long time including the 18 months that the present incumbent has done f*ck all in. Our most recent academy and youth graduates, who were extensively loaned out and/or sold (so f*cking wrong again Douggie) were Chris Basham, Danny Ward and Adam Bogdan. One plays in our first team, the other two brought in £2m.

Adam Bogdan? Really?

Crewe Alex ... for a few weeks. He was crap and they sent him back.

Or, in Dougie-speak, "it never happened". Or, possibly, "I have no idea, I just spurt shit out of my mouth every time I see a microphone, always hoping no-one challenges me."

[BWFC_Insane]

A long time including the 18 months that the present incumbent has done f*ck all in. Our most recent academy and youth graduates, who were extensively loaned out and/or sold (so f*cking wrong again Douggie) were Chris Basham, Danny Ward and Adam Bogdan. One plays in our first team, the other two brought in £2m.

Adam Bogdan? Really?

Crewe Alex ... for a few weeks. He was crap and they sent him back.

Or, in Dougie-speak, "it never happened". Or, possibly, "I have no idea, I just spurt shit out of my mouth every time I see a microphone, always hoping no-one challenges me."

He was loaned out. I don't think I'd class him as an academy graduate or youth product. But whatever......

[Lord Kangana]

By those rough parameters Douggie has managed a big fat zero at what he's bemoaning. Has anyone told him he's in charge yet?

[bobo the clown]

A long time including the 18 months that the present incumbent has done f*ck all in. Our most recent academy and youth graduates, who were extensively loaned out and/or sold (so f*cking wrong again Douggie) were Chris Basham, Danny Ward and Adam Bogdan. One plays in our first team, the other two brought in £2m.

Adam Bogdan? Really?

Crewe Alex ... for a few weeks. He was crap and they sent him back.

Or, in Dougie-speak, "it never happened". Or, possibly, "I have no idea, I just spurt shit out of my mouth every time I see a microphone, always hoping no-one challenges me."

He was loaned out. I don't think I'd class him as an academy graduate or youth product. But whatever......

Well make your mind up ... surprised one minute then when confirmed you suddenly don't count him as qualifying.

I've heard of making facts fit your case but rarely seen it in two posts following each other.

He joined us aged 18, after 9 games in Hungary (on loan from his parent club) ... I'd class that as having brought him through our junior ranks from a young age.

[SmokinFrazier]

So on the one hand he was only there five minutes, but on the other he's shit because he ONLY managed to develop Clyne and Zaha?! A 15m winger, and one of the best full backs in the Prem!

I wouldn't give him the credit for either player because, as you said, he wasn't there long enough. Both of them were already regulars and their progressions seems to be what you'd expect from two very talented players and Clyne especially was already proven before Freedman became his manager, so it's a stretch to start giving Freedman credit for him being a success.

Not that it really matters but every manager will aim to bring through young players, anyway. Its the ideal situation for any club to produce quality young players and sell them on to big clubs for serious money, so I don't know why Freedman would be praised for it. Every manager in the country will want to scout the best young players, train them up and then hopefully put them into the first team for a few years before eventually selling them on for millions. That plan makes the most sense in the long term but the issue we have is the local competition from bigger clubs with better scouting networks, such as City, Liverpool, Everton, United and even the likes of Blackburn, Burnley, Wigan and so on. It's very hard to find out local talent in such a small area when three of the biggest teams in the world in it and are looking to do the exact same thing.

[Prufrock]

Ward is fecking tenous too! Thought he'd cost six figures.

He's the only one playing at anything like a proper level though. Basham has 11 games for a Blackpool squad consisting of about 12 players, 4 of whom are suspended at any one time.

Obadeyi will end up playing for Chorley, guaranteed.

[jaffka]

where did Kevin Nolan, Joey O'Brien and Nicky Hunt come from?

[Prufrock]

So on the one hand he was only there five minutes, but on the other he's shit because he ONLY managed to develop Clyne and Zaha?! A 15m winger, and one of the best full backs in the Prem!

I wouldn't give him the credit for either player because, as you said, he wasn't there long enough. Both of them were already regulars and their progressions seems to be what you'd expect from two very talented players and Clyne especially was already proven before Freedman became his manager, so it's a stretch to start giving Freedman credit for him being a success.

Not that it really matters but every manager will aim to bring through young players, anyway. Its the ideal situation for any club to produce quality young players and sell them on to big clubs for serious money, so I don't know why Freedman would be praised for it. Every manager in the country will want to scout the best young players, train them up and then hopefully put them into the first team for a few years before eventually selling them on for millions. That plan makes the most sense in the long term but the issue we have is the local competition from bigger clubs with better scouting networks, such as City, Liverpool, Everton, United and even the likes of Blackburn, Burnley, Wigan and so on. It's very hard to find out local talent in such a small area when three of the biggest teams in the world in it and are looking to do the exact same thing.

Unlike Palace playing in that oasis free of footballing competition.

You're like an alcoholic. Not everything Freedman has ever done is bad. You can still think he's shit but accept he once did something right. You're even more of a know-nowt than I thought you were if you can't even give him credit for Zaha! Feck me sideways.

And yeah, all managers will aim to bring young players through. That's why Pogba is still playing at United, and why Chelsea haven't just bought Matic back for £20m.

[Prufrock]

where did Kevin Nolan, Joey O'Brien and Nicky Hunt come from?

We didn't pay six figures for them though! Depending on who you listen to (and I'm sceptical how much it actually was coz I reckon there was 'what if he is the English Messi', ahem) but Obadeyi cost more than Craig Davies and about the same as Gary Speed! He were proper dog shit. I'm better than him. Ward was a good player, but not good enough for the Prem as we were then, but he cost a lot.

[jaffka]

where did Kevin Nolan, Joey O'Brien and Nicky Hunt come from?

We didn't pay six figures for them though! Depending on who you listen to (and I'm sceptical how much it actually was coz I reckon there was 'what if he is the English Messi', ahem) but Obadeyi cost more than Craig Davies and about the same as Gary Speed! He were proper dog shit. I'm better than him. Ward was a good player, but not good enough for the Prem as we were then, but he cost a lot.

My point was aimed at what Duggie has said.

Did the three players I mentioned come through our academy.

[Prufrock]

F*ck me the last one of them was 8 years ago! You might as well have counted Nat. I don't think he meant ever!

[jaffka]

F*ck me the last one of them was 8 years ago! You might as well have counted Nat. I don't think he meant ever!

Regardless of how long it was, we have produced. Let's not airbrush that from history.

[SmokinFrazier]

So on the one hand he was only there five minutes, but on the other he's shit because he ONLY managed to develop Clyne and Zaha?! A 15m winger, and one of the best full backs in the Prem!

I wouldn't give him the credit for either player because, as you said, he wasn't there long enough. Both of them were already regulars and their progressions seems to be what you'd expect from two very talented players and Clyne especially was already proven before Freedman became his manager, so it's a stretch to start giving Freedman credit for him being a success.

Not that it really matters but every manager will aim to bring through young players, anyway. Its the ideal situation for any club to produce quality young players and sell them on to big clubs for serious money, so I don't know why Freedman would be praised for it. Every manager in the country will want to scout the best young players, train them up and then hopefully put them into the first team for a few years before eventually selling them on for millions. That plan makes the most sense in the long term but the issue we have is the local competition from bigger clubs with better scouting networks, such as City, Liverpool, Everton, United and even the likes of Blackburn, Burnley, Wigan and so on. It's very hard to find out local talent in such a small area when three of the biggest teams in the world in it and are looking to do the exact same thing.

Unlike Palace playing in that oasis free of footballing competition.

You're like an alcoholic. Not everything Freedman has ever done is bad. You can still think he's shit but accept he once did something right. You're even more of a know-nowt than I thought you were if you can't even give him credit for Zaha! Feck me sideways.

And yeah, all managers will aim to bring young players through. That's why Pogba is still playing at United, and why Chelsea haven't just bought Matic back for £20m.

I didn't say anything about Palace. Of course they have competition for finding young players and nothing I said is remotely close to being different to that. All London clubs will struggle to find talent, especially those who aren't Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal.

Freedman trusted Zaha and gave him playing time which was obviously a good call but whether he can be praised for his early development, I'm not sure. As I said, Zaha was already playing under Burley so he was an established player by the time Freedman took over but he obviously built on what he had. I think it might be a stretch to credit Freedman for Zaha becoming such a good player but if you want to, that's fine, I have no objections to that.

And, no, I have no problem saying so when Freedman does something right, I just don't think that happens very often.

Is Pogba being sold proof that Ferguson didn't want to bring through young players?! You can't be serious with that. Pogba was sold because he wasn't good enough for United at the time but wanted big money and regular playing time. It's nothing to do with United not wanting to bring through their own players. Matic was sold because Chelsea wanted Luiz but Benfica wanted someone in return, so it made sense for them at the time. So yeah, both of those arguments are nonsense. If clubs didn't want to bring through their own talent, they wouldn't spend millions on facilities, wages, coaches and so on, when they could just poach talent brought through at other clubs.