Contract expiry

[Prufrock]

V pleased with Ameobi and Henry who are exactly what we need. Don't know anything about the rest but fingers crossed!

[Bruce Rioja]

I have three games of cricket left to play before I can show my face at The Bok. It's going to take me until Christmas to suss out who the feck I'm watching.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Perhaps worth noting how footloose we still are. With 21 players out of contract by or before next summer, we're still able to cut our cloth accordingly. Obviously a lot depends on how this season goes but we should have the ability to choose who we wish to keep, especially with big contracts (Spearing, Davies) and mid-rankers (Trotter, Dervite, Moxey) coming to an end. And of the 10 players contracted beyond next summer, five are Parky's men, with the further possibility of try-before-you-buy on another three or four loanees.

[Armchair Wanderer]

Last time we've seen Mavies play at the Macron?

I like the idea of a system being bigger than the sum of the parts. If everyone was on loan or on 1 or 2 year contracts we wouldn't keep having to pay players off. As long as the players on the books can play the system the manager wants it's all good. If someone has a good season they get an extra 12 months at the wage level of whichever league they're in. If someone has an amazing 12 months they can go to the Premier League with best wishes. If someone has a bad 12 months they can leave. Everyone playing for their next contract all the time is what we need!!

It doesn't seem to me like anyone's got a crazy long contract recently. Hopefully the new owners/management are thinking a bit smarter than we have been recently... and it works out for them!

[malcd1]

Last time we've seen Mavies play at the Macron?

I like the idea of a system being bigger than the sum of the parts. If everyone was on loan or on 1 or 2 year contracts we wouldn't keep having to pay players off. As long as the players on the books can play the system the manager wants it's all good. If someone has a good season they get an extra 12 months at the wage level of whichever le

ague they're in. If someone has an amazing 12 months they can go to the Premier League with best wishes. If someone has a bad 12 months they can leave. Everyone playing for their next contract all the time is what we need!!

It doesn't seem to me like anyone's got a crazy long contract recently. Hopefully the new owners/management are thinking a bit smarter than we have been recently... and it works out for them!

Short term contracts sound like a sensible solution but ask Plymouth fans and they may not all agree. Basically, Plymouth's policy is 12 month contracts only. Last season they were doing fantastically well but they hardly won any of the last dozen games. Instead of going up automatically, they entered the play offs in pretty poor form. They eventually lost to Wimbledon.

After a reasonable season, you would expect most of the players to extend their contracts until 2017. However, all the better players were snapped up by clubs in higher divisions or by someone else who were prepared to pay higher salaries. I think they had one player on the books at the start on July. They now have a virtually new squad of players.

I'm not saying anyone has suggested short term contracts but leaving it to the last minute may result in us losing our better playing and being left with the dross. Contracts negotiations become even more important in the lower divisions. We don't want players on long contracts that cost a lot of money to release them but we risk losing them for nothing. We probably have a good person at the helm, in Ken, to make these difficult decisions.

[irie Cee Bee]

for some reason i thought mark davies had a longer one (ahem) i guess he has probably kicked his last ball for the club then...

Not necessarily. Get him back to fitness, he will drop his wage demands significantly as no one will touch him with a long pole because of his injury problems. Pay as you play deal with us would be on the cards next season.

[BWFC_Insane]

for some reason i thought mark davies had a longer one (ahem) i guess he has probably kicked his last ball for the club then...

Not necessarily. Get him back to fitness, he will drop his wage demands significantly as no one will touch him with a long pole because of his injury problems. Pay as you play deal with us would be on the cards next season.

Reality is he's probably played his last game for anyone at a professiona level.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

for some reason i thought mark davies had a longer one (ahem) i guess he has probably kicked his last ball for the club then...

Not necessarily. Get him back to fitness, he will drop his wage demands significantly as no one will touch him with a long pole because of his injury problems. Pay as you play deal with us would be on the cards next season.

Reality is he's probably played his last game for anyone at a professiona level.

aaaaand Insano's back in the room

I don't know much about the details and severity of Sparky's injury, but I do know that there are very many examples of players coming back from ACL ruptures; for every Holden (sob) there's two or three Gardners. While there is obviously a risk he will never recover, and studies show that ACL sufferers are more prone to further injury, I wouldn't be so bold as to say the "reality" is that he'll never play professionally again. Among those who have come back from ACLs to come back are Michael Owen, Alex del Piero, Roberto Baggio, Alan Shearer, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Robert Pires, Mikel Arteta, Anderson, Phil Jagielka, Nemanja Vidic, Robbie Fowler, Joe Cole, Luis Garcia and Giuseppe Rossi.

We don't know. We'll see.

[Worthy4England]

Michael Owen wasn't 6ft.

[Bruce Rioja]

Reality is he's probably played his last game for anyone at a professiona level.

Oh my giddy aunt. A fecking knee specialist are we now?

[Hoboh]

for some reason i thought mark davies had a longer one (ahem) i guess he has probably kicked his last ball for the club then...

Not necessarily. Get him back to fitness, he will drop his wage demands significantly as no one will touch him with a long pole because of his injury problems. Pay as you play deal with us would be on the cards next season.

Not really bothered about him, he's had enough out of the club over a few years and delivered next to feck all!

[BWFC_Insane]

for some reason i thought mark davies had a longer one (ahem) i guess he has probably kicked his last ball for the club then...

Not necessarily. Get him back to fitness, he will drop his wage demands significantly as no one will touch him with a long pole because of his injury problems. Pay as you play deal with us would be on the cards next season.

Reality is he's probably played his last game for anyone at a professiona level.

aaaaand Insano's back in the room

I don't know much about the details and severity of Sparky's injury, but I do know that there are very many examples of players coming back from ACL ruptures; for every Holden (sob) there's two or three Gardners. While there is obviously a risk he will never recover, and studies show that ACL sufferers are more prone to further injury, I wouldn't be so bold as to say the "reality" is that he'll never play professionally again. Among those who have come back from ACLs to come back are Michael Owen, Alex del Piero, Roberto Baggio, Alan Shearer, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Robert Pires, Mikel Arteta, Anderson, Phil Jagielka, Nemanja Vidic, Robbie Fowler, Joe Cole, Luis Garcia and Giuseppe Rossi.

We don't know. We'll see.

He's had 3 serious knee injuries now. 2 on one knee and now this on the other.

You don't need to be a knee specialist to know the chances of a professional club taking a risk on him aren't that high. And also the chances of him ever coming back with any sort of form isn't that high either.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

He's had 3 serious knee injuries now. 2 on one knee and now this on the other.

Indeed. He came back from the first two injuries, and was in good form when he went down with an unfortunate rip to the other which was not about a weakness, but the old unavoidable studs-in-turf.

You don't need to be a knee specialist to know the chances of a professional club taking a risk on him aren't that high. And also the chances of him ever coming back with any sort of form isn't that high either.

Well, you say "know", I say "think". Again, we'll see. He's 28, not 33.

[Worthy4England]

He's managed 86 League starts since joining us in 2009 - 135 league appearances (according to Soccerbase). That's 7 years. He musta smashed some fcking big mirror along the way. By my crude maths, that's about 12 starts a season. 39 appearances last season. Lot of fcking good his high passing stats did us too.

16 grand a week. Yer having a fcking laugh.

[Hoboh]

He's managed 86 League starts since joining us in 2009 - 135 league appearances (according to Soccerbase). That's 7 years. He musta smashed some fcking big mirror along the way. By my crude maths, that's about 12 starts a season. 39 appearances last season. Lot of fcking good his high passing stats did us too.

16 grand a week. Yer having a fcking laugh.

[plymouth wanderer]

He's managed 86 League starts since joining us in 2009 - 135 league appearances (according to Soccerbase). That's 7 years. He musta smashed some fcking big mirror along the way. By my crude maths, that's about 12 starts a season. 39 appearances last season. Lot of fcking good his high passing stats did us too.

16 grand a week. Yer having a fcking laugh.

when you put it like that.......

[BWFC_Insane]

He's managed 86 League starts since joining us in 2009 - 135 league appearances (according to Soccerbase). That's 7 years. He musta smashed some fcking big mirror along the way. By my crude maths, that's about 12 starts a season. 39 appearances last season. Lot of fcking good his high passing stats did us too.

16 grand a week. Yer having a fcking laugh.

Harsh in the circumstances, but very very fair.

[boltonboris]

Similar stats to Wilshere. Which is terrible reading, really.

Pretty much missed 3/4 of the football we've played, consistently, since he's been here and that's with a rather fruitful (appearance wise) couple of seasons

[Nicko58]

Vela has signed a two year contract extension.

[malcd1]

I know Mark Davies' contract is up at the end of the season and will probably not play for us again but I have heard his knee is smashed to pieces after this last injury. The word on the street is he will be lucky if he plays competitively again. His knee has been described by one of the backroom staff as the worst injury he has ever seen.

I wish him luck in his rehabilitation as I think he may need it.