Millwall @ The Reebok

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Having not watched the teams in question I couldn't possibly know how good or bad they are. In order to answer your question I would have to see something of the teams. Otherwise I'd just be guessing.

So you don't know anything about the Championship but you're taking someone else to task for suggesting that we should be good enough to win promotion?

No. read it again. I took him to task about his assertion that we had a good squad. I stated that I didn't think that was correct. I never once stated anything to do with promotion or otherwise.

Keep twisting it any way you like. My post was about one thing and one thing only. It has nothing to do with teams above or below us or about other managers. It is solely about our squad of players. To use your favourite phrase...it isn't difficult is it?

[TKIZ!]

Having not watched the teams in question I couldn't possibly know how good or bad they are. In order to answer your question I would have to see something of the teams. Otherwise I'd just be guessing.

So you don't know anything about the Championship but you're taking someone else to task for suggesting that we should be good enough to win promotion?

No. read it again. I took him to task about his assertion that we had a good squad. I stated that I didn't think that was correct. I never once stated anything to do with promotion or otherwise.

Keep twisting it any way you like. My post was about one thing and one thing only. It has nothing to do with teams above or below us or about other managers. It is solely about our squad of players. To use your favourite phrase...it isn't difficult is it?

[Athers]

This debate could rage on for months, so lets have a few home truths here to lay some foundations for future reasoned debate:

We are a small town team with limited support

We have limited finances and a huge amount of debt

For the past ten years we have batted well above our weight

It may suprise some on here to find that the team wasn't formed in the year 2000 so.........

That's ten years out of the last 40+ where we have had a great run

Historically, taken over the past 25 years, we're not in a bad position

We are at about the right level for the club at this moment in time

Transitional periods don't always result in success

That my fellow supporters is the reality of the situation. Let's learn to live with it for a while and see which way the future takes us.

Unfortunately we need to add that our current wage bill is in the top few in the league.

[BL3]

We beat Cardiff in Dougie's first game or does that not count?

So Dougie's only responsible for the victories?

Get to feck, you made a point about mighty Mick and his Ipswich team holding Cardiff to a no score draw so I made the point that we beat them.. You just twist everything people say to be controversial.

We beat them at home. They drew with them away from home. Cardiff have won 12 of their 14 home games this season. They've lost almost as many away games as they've won. Or have i 'twisted' that as well?

[thebish]

so - just for the benefit of the tape - if we go to Cardiff and draw or win - then you will paint "Freedman is my hero" on your arse and bare it on the town hall steps??

[BL3]

so - just for the benefit of the tape - if we go to Cardiff and draw or win - then you will paint "Freedman is my hero" on your arse and bare it on the town hall steps??

You're missing the point. Not for the first time.

[ChrisC]

We beat Cardiff in Dougie's first game or does that not count?

So Dougie's only responsible for the victories?

Get to feck, you made a point about mighty Mick and his Ipswich team holding Cardiff to a no score draw so I made the point that we beat them.. You just twist everything people say to be controversial.

We beat them at home. They drew with them away from home. Cardiff have won 12 of their 14 home games this season. They've lost almost as many away games as they've won. Or have i 'twisted' that as well?

Peterborough went to Cardiff and won so shall we check if Ferguson junior wants the Bolton job?

[BL3]

My post was about one thing and one thing only. It has nothing to do with teams above or below us or about other managers. It is solely about our squad of players.

Based on their performances against other teams at this level? Or is their some other criteria that you're using?

[BL3]

We beat Cardiff in Dougie's first game or does that not count?

So Dougie's only responsible for the victories?

Get to feck, you made a point about mighty Mick and his Ipswich team holding Cardiff to a no score draw so I made the point that we beat them.. You just twist everything people say to be controversial.

We beat them at home. They drew with them away from home. Cardiff have won 12 of their 14 home games this season. They've lost almost as many away games as they've won. Or have i 'twisted' that as well?

Peterborough went to Cardiff and won so shall we check if Ferguson junior wants the Bolton job?

You're right. It's much fairer to assess all 14 games in charge. PPG = 1.29...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

My post was about one thing and one thing only. It has nothing to do with teams above or below us or about other managers. It is solely about our squad of players.

Based on their performances against other teams at this level? Or is their some other criteria that you're using?

Are you this tedious on purpose? I have quoted the relevant extract of my post below. I'm in danger of becoming as tedious as you as I have to ask again, how difficult is it?

I'm sure folk will argue with the scores, but my point in making them is based around what we have seen of the players in the last 2-3 seasons and their contribution to the team. In my mind these scores debunk the myth of a great squad. Sixes and sevens is mediocrity and aptly describes our last 2 years. We have a few players that *could* be good Premiership players. In reality we only have Holden and CYL that I could describe as being good Premiership players that could get into upper mid and higher teams. Both are coming back from injury and it remains to be seen if they can get back to their best. The rest either have a lot to prove before they can join Holden and CYL, or they are at best average, or declining in their autumn years.

[thebish]

so - just for the benefit of the tape - if we go to Cardiff and draw or win - then you will paint "Freedman is my hero" on your arse and bare it on the town hall steps??

You're missing the point. Not for the first time.

i don't think so.... you were using the cardiff result to prove McCarthy's aceness....

a similar (or better) result would therefore prove Freedman's aceness..

but I note, with interest, that you are (as usual) backing off any commitment to your own words....

[BL3]

My post was about one thing and one thing only. It has nothing to do with teams above or below us or about other managers. It is solely about our squad of players.

Based on their performances against other teams at this level? Or is their some other criteria that you're using?

Are you this tedious on purpose? I have quoted the relevant extract of my post below. I'm in danger of becoming as tedious as you as I have to ask again, how difficult is it?

I'm sure folk will argue with the scores, but my point in making them is based around what we have seen of the players in the last 2-3 seasons and their contribution to the team. In my mind these scores debunk the myth of a great squad. Sixes and sevens is mediocrity and aptly describes our last 2 years.

The last 2-3 seasons includes this season doesn't it? Therefore it includes performances against other teams in the Championship. Teams that you apparently know nowt about. So i ask again, what exactly is the criteria you're using to assess whether we have a talented squad?

[BL3]

so - just for the benefit of the tape - if we go to Cardiff and draw or win - then you will paint "Freedman is my hero" on your arse and bare it on the town hall steps??

You're missing the point. Not for the first time.

i don't think so.... you were using the cardiff result to prove McCarthy's aceness....

a similar (or better) result would therefore prove Freedman's aceness..

but I note, with interest, that you are (as usual) backing off any commitment to your own words....

No, i was using the result to prove he could organise a defence. Well done on missing the point again.

Not even Mourinho could get that defence to work as it currently stands

You honestly think Mick McCarthy could do it.. Get to feck.

[officer_dibble]

The last 2-3 seasons includes this season doesn't it? Therefore it includes performances against other teams in the Championship. Teams that you apparently know nowt about. So i ask again, what exactly is the criteria you're using to assess whether we have a talented squad?

The criterion which determines whethere they are all cnuts or not.

I say they are.

Coyles players shithouse bottlers

Freedmans selection and tactics better than coyles but not what I would pick for everything (ngog/stump for instance)

gartsides mess?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

My post was about one thing and one thing only. It has nothing to do with teams above or below us or about other managers. It is solely about our squad of players.

Based on their performances against other teams at this level? Or is their some other criteria that you're using?

Are you this tedious on purpose? I have quoted the relevant extract of my post below. I'm in danger of becoming as tedious as you as I have to ask again, how difficult is it?

I'm sure folk will argue with the scores, but my point in making them is based around what we have seen of the players in the last 2-3 seasons and their contribution to the team. In my mind these scores debunk the myth of a great squad. Sixes and sevens is mediocrity and aptly describes our last 2 years.

The last 2-3 seasons includes this season doesn't it? Therefore it includes performances against other teams in the Championship. Teams that you apparently know nowt about. So i ask again, what exactly is the criteria you're using to assess whether we have a talented squad?

You asked what I based it on. I have answered that particular question in the original post; hence my highlighting it. To add to that, seeing as you don't get it. I base my opinion on the last 2-3 years. That would be approximately 2010, 2011 and 2012. Heck, I'll even throw in 2013 so far. So yes, that includes this season...as if you didn't know. A players performance is not entirely dependent on the opposition, so why you're even trying to twist it that way I don't know.

Instead of just trying to twist everything why don't you debate? I don't expect you to agree with anything I say. I have given clear reasons for my opinion and it is a reasonable one, whether correct or not. You have no opinion to give, you don't answer any questions. You just childishly try to twist every word to say someone is wrong. If you want to debate, go ahead. Otherwise get a life.

[a1]

The criterion which determines whethere they are all cnuts or not.

I say they are.

Coyles players shithouse bottlers

Freedmans selection and tactics better than coyles but not what I would pick for everything (ngog/stump for instance)

gartsides mess?

maybe ^^ coz he (gartside) got to chummy with thedick (coyle)

for me , everything freedman does is better. he even gets points at home were you know coyle would ballz up and concede 3 .

maybe thats not great. but fecking hell fire, imo, it were better than 'put everything in the fa cup basket' coyle did to get himself known, at the detriment of owt else.

"he doesnt know what he's done to this club"

he signed crap , or signed reasonably good 'uns then made 'em crap. summat. their heads have gone now.

's up to #dougiecool to sort it and it may take money they dont have. i think theyre hoping this development thing makes 'em into a mini-mancity for some kinda rich baron to buy, imo. dont think relegation were in the plan tho.

#fcukoffcoyle

[TKIZ!]

Here's a serious question then, BL3. Do we rectify it by sacking Dougie like Wolves/Dingles have done and get a new manager in?

[thebish]

No, i was using the result to prove he could organise a defence. Well done on missing the point again.

ok - now you have clarified.. just for the tape - should we go to Cardiff and not concede - then you will tattoo "Freedman is my defensive hero" on your breasts and jiggle them on the town hall steps???

[plymouth wanderer]

And I have stated already that I don't even know the name of more than 2 players from the teams you mentioned. I might as well pick a raffle ticket from a hat for all I know. What I do know is that our squad is not as good as Frazier was making out.

But you know that they've been down at the bottom of the league all season, right? At least tell me you've noticed that. Do you think we have the players to beat teams down at the bottom of the league or not? I'm just trying to qualify how shit you think our squad is.

I already qualified my thoughts on the squad by rating them in my original post. This is based on what I have seen of them. Having not watched the teams in question I couldn't possibly know how good or bad they are. In order to answer your question I would have to see something of the teams. Otherwise I'd just be guessing.

What do you think of our squad?

Blood- stone

I'm just being as obtuse as he is. I'm asking a question that has real relevance to my original post. He is asking for an opinion that I continually state I have no qualification to answer.

You're wasting your time AT he doesn't answer direct questions

Its like getting blood out of a stone

[bobo the clown]

That's absolute bollox. I'll repeat: I'm relaying what radio commentators say... I read the media reports which are, in the main, far more unbiased than some of our own fans and that's it. I'd be quite happy to just sit back and listen to the game and not bother. I'm sure not taking any shxt about passing on a radio commentary, bet your life on that buddy.

I for one, when not at the match, look forward to your reports TD. Never mind the bollox, keep up the good work... some of us appreciate it.

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+1+1

Not sure it's a sign of there being a clique to thank a man for doing something which is appreciated.

Especially when some have decided to rubbish him for doing it which, if it were me, I'd tell them to fck right off for and stuff helping out in future.