Jaffka's gossip thread on the ins and outs at the 'Bok

[BWFC_Insane]

Reo Coker, Holden, Wheater for a combined fee of £1.8m? Thats £1m less than Shittu. I'd say he's doing a stirling job with the money at his disposal.

Wheater cost more than that but whatever. Thats a very selective picture. (And Wheater has yet to convince me really)

The 10M quids worth of Coyle signings sat on the bench on Sunday also tell a very different tale.

He's definitely NOT maximised his resources.

If we were to tally it up there are definitely more minuses than pluses. And the worrying thing is the minuses are the most expensive ones.....

hmmm... Megson's last game was a 2-2 draw against Hull...

starting lineup:
Jaaskelainein, Steinsson, Knight, Cahill, Robinson, Chung-Yong Lee, Muamba, Cohen, Taylor, Davies, Klasnic.

Elmander was on the bench... I've forgotten how much he cost - can you remind me?

Well yeah and was he not sacked? So what's your point?

[boltonboris]

Why the hell did we give Robbie Blake a deal last year?

Plus £5m on our loan signings?!

Tuncay who seemed to be as popular with Coyle as Sordell, and hardly ever played.

Kakuta and Miyachi were pretty similar, showed some decent flashes early on then faded terribly, is this to do with our coaching compared to where they came from?

Boyata might just about be classed as a mild success, due to providing cover at times to such a stretched defence. But I still feel we unsettled the defence at the start of the season, as we chopped and changed trying to fit him in, for no other reason than we'd just signed him.

Presumably hat'd be the same coaching that did such a terrible job on Wilshire and Sturridge then?

My money is on Boyata not making it at City, with a slow and steady decline down the leagues. Probably starting at, for sake of argument, West Ham or Villa. Ditto Kakuta. Miyachi is perfectly suited to staying at Arsenal, as he has no notion of the phrase "end product".

I'm not convinced our coaching had much to do with the success of Wilshire and Sturridge. They arrived here as almost-finished products, but regular first-team football in the Premiership was all they needed, and we were able to provide it.

If your assessment of the fate of those three ex-loanees is correct, then they were duff loans from the off, and a bad gamble for £5m (including Tuncay too). If it's incorrect, then we should have got more out of them during their spell here.

Okay, so basing it on your logic.

Players play well = Nothing to do with the manager.

Players play shit = Everything to do with the manager.

[officer_dibble]

Is this the same wheater who coyle dropped for Wembley and large chunks of this season?

[thebish]

Reo Coker, Holden, Wheater for a combined fee of £1.8m? Thats £1m less than Shittu. I'd say he's doing a stirling job with the money at his disposal.

Wheater cost more than that but whatever. Thats a very selective picture. (And Wheater has yet to convince me really)

The 10M quids worth of Coyle signings sat on the bench on Sunday also tell a very different tale.

He's definitely NOT maximised his resources.

If we were to tally it up there are definitely more minuses than pluses. And the worrying thing is the minuses are the most expensive ones.....

hmmm... Megson's last game was a 2-2 draw against Hull...

starting lineup:
Jaaskelainein, Steinsson, Knight, Cahill, Robinson, Chung-Yong Lee, Muamba, Cohen, Taylor, Davies, Klasnic.

Elmander was on the bench... I've forgotten how much he cost - can you remind me?

Well yeah and was he not sacked? So what's your point?

well - if the "tale" you have in mind is that Coyle is shite - then why isn't the "tale" you tell for Megson the same??

what is this "tale" it tells when you have expensive signings on the bench?

[jaffka]

Reo Coker, Holden, Wheater for a combined fee of £1.8m? Thats £1m less than Shittu. I'd say he's doing a stirling job with the money at his disposal.

Wheater cost more than that but whatever. Thats a very selective picture. (And Wheater has yet to convince me really)

The 10M quids worth of Coyle signings sat on the bench on Sunday also tell a very different tale.

He's definitely NOT maximised his resources.

If we were to tally it up there are definitely more minuses than pluses. And the worrying thing is the minuses are the most expensive ones.....

hmmm... Megson's last game was a 2-2 draw against Hull...

starting lineup:
Jaaskelainein, Steinsson, Knight, Cahill, Robinson, Chung-Yong Lee, Muamba, Cohen, Taylor, Davies, Klasnic.

Elmander was on the bench... I've forgotten how much he cost - can you remind me?

Well yeah and was he not sacked? So what's your point?

well - if the "tale" you have in mind is that Coyle is shite - then why isn't the "tale" you tell for Megson the same??

what is this "tale" it tells when you have expensive signings on the bench?

how does it go in internet speak?

BWFCi you have just been pwned

[Lord Kangana]

Is this the same wheater who coyle dropped for Wembley and large chunks of this season?

No, thats his twin brother. Easy enough mistake.

[midlands exile]

I'm not convinced our coaching had much to do with the success of Wilshire and Sturridge. They arrived here as almost-finished products, but regular first-team football in the Premiership was all they needed, and we were able to provide it.

If your assessment of the fate of those three ex-loanees is correct, then they were duff loans from the off, and a bad gamble for £5m (including Tuncay too). If it's incorrect, then we should have got more out of them during their spell here.

Okay, so basing it on your logic.

Players play well = Nothing to do with the manager.

Players play shit = Everything to do with the manager.

My logic:

Quality players play well at Bolton = doesn't matter what the coaching is like here. Full credit to Owen Coyle either way for getting them here in the first place.

Less-blessed players play poorly = either they were poorly scouted and were bad signings, or there's something wrong with the coaching system. Either way, you can't say they were much of a success, and at the end of the day the buck stops with the manager.

There's no comparison between Wilshere / Sturridge and Kakuta / Boyata / Miyachi prior to joining us - the first two were clearly Premiership material who just needed a chance to show it consistently. The others were more of a gamble, and at £5m for them, I would have expected more of a result from them.

[boltonboris]

Boyata was on the fringes (getting a dozen or so games) at the best team in England. Miyaichi was by all accounts a revelation in Holland. Kakuta was so highly thought of, that Chelsea risked a transfer embargo on him.

As it stands, they're not really cut out for a scrap at the bottom. How was the manager to know that?

[BWFC_Insane]

Reo Coker, Holden, Wheater for a combined fee of £1.8m? Thats £1m less than Shittu. I'd say he's doing a stirling job with the money at his disposal.

Wheater cost more than that but whatever. Thats a very selective picture. (And Wheater has yet to convince me really)

The 10M quids worth of Coyle signings sat on the bench on Sunday also tell a very different tale.

He's definitely NOT maximised his resources.

If we were to tally it up there are definitely more minuses than pluses. And the worrying thing is the minuses are the most expensive ones.....

hmmm... Megson's last game was a 2-2 draw against Hull...

starting lineup:
Jaaskelainein, Steinsson, Knight, Cahill, Robinson, Chung-Yong Lee, Muamba, Cohen, Taylor, Davies, Klasnic.

Elmander was on the bench... I've forgotten how much he cost - can you remind me?

Well yeah and was he not sacked? So what's your point?

well - if the "tale" you have in mind is that Coyle is shite - then why isn't the "tale" you tell for Megson the same??

what is this "tale" it tells when you have expensive signings on the bench?

The tale it tells is that he's not used his resources very well.

And at the very best is no better than the man who folk on here decided was the Antichrist and criticised on here at every given opportunity.

I'm happy with the comparison. Megson was lambasted for wasting the money on Elmander and Shittu (though Elmander was clearly incorrectly used rather than a poor buy and was unlucky with injuries in his first season), but Lee, Cahill, Taylor and Steinsson are ignored for example.

Coyles biggest signings have also been flops so far. NGog, Sordell, Alonso have contributed little to nowt. His other money signings are hardly massive successes either thus far.

Thankfully we won't be spending very much money now so he won't be tested in that area again unless we go back up.

[thebish]

so - just to be clear - the tale you tell is that Megson didn't use his resources very well because he had millions of pounds of his own signing sat on the bench?

it'll make comparison easier if you can remind me how much elmander cost - and compare that cost to the bench-warmers that Coyle had...

[BWFC_Insane]

so - just to be clear - the tale you tell is that Megson didn't use his resources very well because he had millions of pounds of his own signing sat on the bench?

it'll make comparison easier if you can remind me how much elmander cost - and compare that cost to the bench-warmers that Coyle had...

Well indeed that's why he was sacked and why I said he should be.

Coyle is exactly the same. Wasted a decent amount of money for Bolton on players who haven't made an impact. So much so there were three money signings sat on the bench for a must win game.

Same rules apply to both.

[Jez]

Sordell is 21 years old.. Hes got a good 5-6 years until he reaches his prime, his value is very likely to increase

So what if he spent half a season on the bench? hes still a kid, maybe he was good enough to start, maybe he wasnt, we'll never know. what we do have now is someone who is known to find the back of the net in this league and with time he should find it more and more, then if he brings us back up he should be ready to take on the prem.

[H. Pedersen]

Sordell is 21 years old.. Hes got a good 5-6 years until he reaches his prime, his value is very likely to increase

So what if he spent half a season on the bench? hes still a kid, maybe he was good enough to start, maybe he wasnt, we'll never know. what we do have now is someone who is known to find the back of the net in this league and with time he should find it more and more, then if he brings us back up he should be ready to take on the prem.

Unfortunately when you’re in a perpetual relegation battle you don’t have time to wait 5-6 years for a player to enter his prime.

[TKIZ!]

Sordell is 21 years old.. Hes got a good 5-6 years until he reaches his prime, his value is very likely to increase

So what if he spent half a season on the bench? hes still a kid, maybe he was good enough to start, maybe he wasnt, we'll never know. what we do have now is someone who is known to find the back of the net in this league and with time he should find it more and more, then if he brings us back up he should be ready to take on the prem.

Unfortunately when you’re in a perpetual relegation battle you don’t have time to wait 5-6 years for a player to enter his prime.

Well, we'll never know now as we're a Championship club. Sordell could be the difference between automatic and play-off promotion. Fingers crossed

[wanderers_on_tour]

So...who we bringing in?

Anyone from Spain this year? A young, unknown in the portuguese league? Feck all this realism, no room for logic in a transfer gossip thread.

[jimbo]

So...who we bringing in?

Anyone from Spain this year? A young, unknown in the spanish league? Feck all this realism, no room for logic in a transfer gossip thread.

Nah, we're pinning all our resources on trying to sign a Barca youngster who will then bizarrely decide to stay at Barca, leaving us with nothing else lined up

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

If we could possibly put aside the eternal bickering - OC v GM, LK v BWFCi – there's some intriguing things in that BN story that Plymouth posted the link to earlier.

Three other players – Zat Knight, Gretar Steinsson and Ricardo Gardner – are unlikely to accept deals that have been offered at reduced salaries.

So (if Iles is correct) the deals are on the table – reduced, but there. Including one for Zat Knight, who has been largely hopeless; one for Gretar Steinsson, who has three other contracted players in his position; and one for Ricardo Gardner, which must be a f*cking tax write-off for charity

Wages paid by Wanderers rose by more than 80 per cent between 2005 and 2010 – and represented roughly 85 per cent of turnover, some 15 per cent higher than FIFA’s recommended level.

At the risk of reigniting the OC/GM/LK/BWFCi thing - wow.

The case of Sean Davis, who has started just three games for Wanderers in the last three years, exemplifies the situation. The 32-year-old midfielder was recruited on a Bosman free transfer, and top wages, by Megson to anchor the midfield. But after sustaining a serious knee injury shortly after being sent off in his last game, the former Portsmouth star’s salary became a massive weight around the club’s neck. By the time his deal runs out in the summer, he will have cost in excess of £5.4million, or roughly £16,000 per minute played for the club.

Although that probably includes signing-on fees and (don't laugh) bonuses, it averages out at £35kpw.

Right, carry on.

[midlands exile]

If we could possibly put aside the eternal bickering - OC v GM, LK v BWFCi – there's some intriguing things in that BN story that Plymouth posted the link to earlier.

Three other players – Zat Knight, Gretar Steinsson and Ricardo Gardner – are unlikely to accept deals that have been offered at reduced salaries.

So (if Iles is correct) the deals are on the table – reduced, but there. Including one for Zat Knight, who has been largely hopeless; one for Gretar Steinsson, who has three other contracted players in his position; and one for Ricardo Gardner, which must be a f*cking tax write-off for charity

Wages paid by Wanderers rose by more than 80 per cent between 2005 and 2010 – and represented roughly 85 per cent of turnover, some 15 per cent higher than FIFA’s recommended level.

At the risk of reigniting the OC/GM/LK/BWFCi thing - wow.

The case of Sean Davis, who has started just three games for Wanderers in the last three years, exemplifies the situation. The 32-year-old midfielder was recruited on a Bosman free transfer, and top wages, by Megson to anchor the midfield. But after sustaining a serious knee injury shortly after being sent off in his last game, the former Portsmouth star’s salary became a massive weight around the club’s neck. By the time his deal runs out in the summer, he will have cost in excess of £5.4million, or roughly £16,000 per minute played for the club.

Although that probably includes signing-on fees and (don't laugh) bonuses, it averages out at £35kpw.

Right, carry on.

Incredibly painful reading....

[CrazyHorse]

Wow. That serves me right for laughing at Newcastle for the amount they pissed away on Michael Owen.

[plymouth wanderer]

If we could possibly put aside the eternal bickering - OC v GM, LK v BWFCi – there's some intriguing things in that BN story that Plymouth posted the link to earlier.

Three other players – Zat Knight, Gretar Steinsson and Ricardo Gardner – are unlikely to accept deals that have been offered at reduced salaries.

So (if Iles is correct) the deals are on the table – reduced, but there. Including one for Zat Knight, who has been largely hopeless; one for Gretar Steinsson, who has three other contracted players in his position; and one for Ricardo Gardner, which must be a f*cking tax write-off for charity

Wages paid by Wanderers rose by more than 80 per cent between 2005 and 2010 – and represented roughly 85 per cent of turnover, some 15 per cent higher than FIFA’s recommended level.

At the risk of reigniting the OC/GM/LK/BWFCi thing - wow.

The case of Sean Davis, who has started just three games for Wanderers in the last three years, exemplifies the situation. The 32-year-old midfielder was recruited on a Bosman free transfer, and top wages, by Megson to anchor the midfield. But after sustaining a serious knee injury shortly after being sent off in his last game, the former Portsmouth star’s salary became a massive weight around the club’s neck. By the time his deal runs out in the summer, he will have cost in excess of £5.4million, or roughly £16,000 per minute played for the club.

Although that probably includes signing-on fees and (don't laugh) bonuses, it averages out at £35kpw.

Right, carry on.

Yup DSB i was shocked at the sean davis paragraph

Truly shocking