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Re: Blackpool

Post by CAPSLOCK » Sun May 15, 2011 8:06 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Sean Davis isn't as good as Holden, nor was his impact as big on our team. There were myriad problems other than him at the time. This time around its fairly straightforward. But thats by the by.

Nor is he the kind of player that would flourish in our current midfield. I doubt, after all the time he's had out, that he'll ever get back to any sort of top level football. Would be better if we could loan him or something next season to try to alleviate his wage pressure.
I'd prefer we alleviated Petrovs wage pressure
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Re: Blackpool

Post by TKIZ! » Sun May 15, 2011 8:16 pm

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Lord Kangana wrote:Sean Davis isn't as good as Holden, nor was his impact as big on our team. There were myriad problems other than him at the time. This time around its fairly straightforward. But thats by the by.

Nor is he the kind of player that would flourish in our current midfield. I doubt, after all the time he's had out, that he'll ever get back to any sort of top level football. Would be better if we could loan him or something next season to try to alleviate his wage pressure.
I'd prefer we alleviated Petrovs wage pressure
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Re: Blackpool

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun May 15, 2011 8:21 pm

Left wing is not a priority.

Central midfield is.

The sensible option would not be to just shift problems around the team, or create new ones.

The sensible option.
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Re: Blackpool

Post by CAPSLOCK » Sun May 15, 2011 8:31 pm

So 'wage pressure' isn't an issue, then?

Just that as you introduced it, I thought you were concerned that we shouldn't have highly paid non contributors
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Re: Blackpool

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun May 15, 2011 8:38 pm

Its an interesting coincidence that dropping Petrov has coincided with us being completely shit. But thats by the by.

Matt Taylor isn't good enough to tie down the left side. So if you want rid of one, then we'll have to buy another. Therefore, you just create space in the position you need it. I would have thought this a reasonably straightforward concept to grasp.

And with Seany being a free, I'd wager he's on a very similar package to Petrov. And it'd be even more interesting to hear if you think Seany has contributed more to the cause since he arrived. For plenty of wedge.
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Re: Blackpool

Post by CAPSLOCK » Sun May 15, 2011 9:03 pm

Taylor isn't good enough, yet him and Rodrigo are ahead of Petrov

So, he's third in line behind 2 who aren't good enough

I'm amazed that you seem to be struggling with this straightforward concept

Sean Davis has contributed next to nothing...theres a good chance he will if he's ever fit

Seeing as he'll need to be got fit to be got rid of, I struggle to see why we'd be looking to get rid
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Re: Blackpool

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun May 15, 2011 9:24 pm

Is that the same Rodrigo who has played on our right in the main, and who's on loan, or his twin brother?
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Re: Blackpool

Post by CAPSLOCK » Sun May 15, 2011 9:33 pm

He's the not very good Spaniard (yet) who only has one foot, his left, who has been the preferred left wing replacement for the last couple of games while Petrov has been left to fester

The fact Coyle sees him as a right winger yet plays him ahead of Petrov but behind the not good enough Taylor, speaks volumes
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Re: Blackpool

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun May 15, 2011 9:43 pm

And when he's finished his one game for us and returns to Benfica?
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Re: Blackpool

Post by CAPSLOCK » Sun May 15, 2011 9:50 pm

Taylor plays

Even though he's not good enough

We can sit martin 'wagepressure' Petrov on the bench

That's a great plan

Not only will our first choice not be good enough, but we'll keep our third choice, too

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Re: Blackpool

Post by HMX » Sun May 15, 2011 9:57 pm

Back home from a good weekend by the seaside. Disappointing result but a exciting match and great atmosphere - so it was still enjoyable. Frustrating seeing these points slipping away but onwards and upwards!

Would like Blackpool to stay up.

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Re: Blackpool

Post by jimbo_bwfc » Sun May 15, 2011 10:33 pm

I agree if Petrov can find a new home then getting rid of him makes sense. His wages can be better spent.

Can't be having highest earners sat on our bench. (Could argue same for Klasnic, although his impact as a sub- and the fact we'll have no strikers at the start of next season as things stand! - probably outweighs that conundrum) If Petrov isn't good enough to get past Taylor, he's not worth having.

I'd rather have Danny Ward, who's probably not on much more than 10% of Petrov's weekly packet, sat on the bench next year.

Problem is, let's say he's on around 40K, who's going to pay that for a mopey, past his best 32-year old with a history of injury problems?
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Re: Blackpool

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun May 15, 2011 10:34 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Sean Davis isn't as good as Holden, nor was his impact as big on our team. There were myriad problems other than him at the time. This time around its fairly straightforward. But thats by the by.

Nor is he the kind of player that would flourish in our current midfield. I doubt, after all the time he's had out, that he'll ever get back to any sort of top level football. Would be better if we could loan him or something next season to try to alleviate his wage pressure.
The big question mark is whether he gets fit and back to his best.

If he does he walks into our midfield as things stand alongside Holden.

And according to the BN guy Marc Iles, Coyle is desperate to get him fit and sharp for next season for that very reason!

Oh and as far as Petrov goes, I can't imagine we'll be trying hard to hold onto him should any mugs come in for him.

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Re: Blackpool

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun May 15, 2011 10:49 pm

Sean Davis does not walk in to our midfield. I fear we've got Andranik 2.0 going on here. He was alright at best. last time I saw him last summer, he looked unfit, immobile...basically everything that we do not need in our midfield.
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Re: Blackpool

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun May 15, 2011 11:01 pm

Yes when he quite clearly was not fit. If he's properly fit he's better than Muamba, Gardner and Cohen and a better foil for Holden than Mark Davies! Anyways the ? Is whether he'll get back to his best or not!

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Re: Blackpool

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun May 15, 2011 11:12 pm

If Rooney signed for us then we'd be ace. The reality being that he'll come back again in that condition, possibly and probably worse because he never regained full fitness before getting injured again.

Theres no way we will see a fully match fit Sean Davis before his contract runs down.
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Re: Blackpool

Post by thebish » Sun May 15, 2011 11:39 pm

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Lord Kangana wrote:Sean Davis isn't as good as Holden, nor was his impact as big on our team. There were myriad problems other than him at the time. This time around its fairly straightforward. But thats by the by.

Nor is he the kind of player that would flourish in our current midfield. I doubt, after all the time he's had out, that he'll ever get back to any sort of top level football. Would be better if we could loan him or something next season to try to alleviate his wage pressure.
I'd prefer we alleviated Petrovs wage pressure
how do we do that?

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Re: Blackpool

Post by Tombwfc » Mon May 16, 2011 12:51 am

If we're talking Andranik 2.0.....
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Lord Kangana wrote:The fact a top 7 finish was still on until Evans nobbled Holden will define the season for me. If Holden had got back up, we wouldn't have conceded that goal (I'm convinced of it, he was tracking runners all day).Chalk up another point, maybe compete more confidently at Wembley. What ifs. We showed in good chunks we're good enough to compete towards the top rather than the bottom.

And its not been relentlessly, mind-numbingly boring. For that I'm eternally grateful.
You are right in that Holden getting injured was the turning point. I suspected so at the time. I didn't expect it to make quite as much a difference as it has.

Does show that the club made a mistake not getting that extra midfielder in either in the summer or more likely in January when we'd had a glimpse in December of life without Holden and it looked pretty grim!
It hasn't made as much difference as you think it has. Holden is an above average Premier League midfielder, an inspired free-signing and an apparently lovely bloke. However, if he was capable of defining our side to the point where we're top 8 with him/relegation form without him, he'd be on for next years Ballon d'or.

Incidentally, in our other 'mini-blip' this season (assumed to be from when we beat Blackburn at home, to beating Wolves), he played five of those seven games.

As for Petrov, in an ideal world we probably would get rid. However, I doubt there will be much chance of that. IMO, our only option is to blindly hope he comes good.

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Re: Blackpool

Post by CAPSLOCK » Mon May 16, 2011 8:04 am

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Lord Kangana wrote:Sean Davis isn't as good as Holden, nor was his impact as big on our team. There were myriad problems other than him at the time. This time around its fairly straightforward. But thats by the by.

Nor is he the kind of player that would flourish in our current midfield. I doubt, after all the time he's had out, that he'll ever get back to any sort of top level football. Would be better if we could loan him or something next season to try to alleviate his wage pressure.
I'd prefer we alleviated Petrovs wage pressure
how do we do that?
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Re: Blackpool

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon May 16, 2011 8:15 am

Tombwfc wrote:If we're talking Andranik 2.0.....
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:The fact a top 7 finish was still on until Evans nobbled Holden will define the season for me. If Holden had got back up, we wouldn't have conceded that goal (I'm convinced of it, he was tracking runners all day).Chalk up another point, maybe compete more confidently at Wembley. What ifs. We showed in good chunks we're good enough to compete towards the top rather than the bottom.

And its not been relentlessly, mind-numbingly boring. For that I'm eternally grateful.
You are right in that Holden getting injured was the turning point. I suspected so at the time. I didn't expect it to make quite as much a difference as it has.

Does show that the club made a mistake not getting that extra midfielder in either in the summer or more likely in January when we'd had a glimpse in December of life without Holden and it looked pretty grim!
It hasn't made as much difference as you think it has. Holden is an above average Premier League midfielder, an inspired free-signing and an apparently lovely bloke. However, if he was capable of defining our side to the point where we're top 8 with him/relegation form without him, he'd be on for next years Ballon d'or.

Incidentally, in our other 'mini-blip' this season (assumed to be from when we beat Blackburn at home, to beating Wolves), he played five of those seven games.

As for Petrov, in an ideal world we probably would get rid. However, I doubt there will be much chance of that. IMO, our only option is to blindly hope he comes good.
My very rough maths suggests that with Holden in the siden this season our PPG is 1.46.

Without Holden in the side our PPG is 0.73.

I suppose you could argue thats a "coincidence". Funny how when he's got injured it was predicted.

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