(QP)R We Gonna Pick Up Our First Win Of The Season?

[Armchair Wanderer]

I actually agree with the quote someone posted from Dougie, first half was as good as I've seen for a while. When some of the injuried players come back and players like Hall and Moritz are ok to start I think we'll be ok.

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this, I like what they're doing for corners... keeping Tierney back with Medo a bit further up.

[thebish]

I actually agree with the quote someone posted from Dougie, first half was as good as I've seen for a while. When some of the injuried players come back and players like Hall and Moritz are ok to start I think we'll be ok.

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this, I like what they're doing for corners... keeping Tierney back with Medo a bit further up.

holden's not due back for a while!

[TKIZ!]

My biggest concerns is that we're still short of at least 1 centre half. Added to that CYL keeps showing glimpses of what he was but I'm doubtful it's ever coming back and I just don't see it with Ngog. Occasional decent approach play does not make for a good striker. When he plays in the hole he seems incapable of spotting the right lay off (something CYL is frequently guilty of).

Part of me thinks when Freedman gets some of the Coyle dross out and fully gets his own team on the pitch we'll be fine. Trouble is he then he picks Knight for captain, chucks him on't wing for the last 5 minutes and waxes lyrical about Ngog at the fans forum. I'm confused!

how many of that squad today were "coyle dross"? (as you hinted - you can't have knight - cos dougie likes him enough to make him captain! and you can't have Ngog - cos dougie thinks he's ace!)

I've bolded the dougie-boys...


01 Bogdan
12 Knight
15 Baptiste
23 Tierney Booked
31 Wheater
05 Ream (Hall - 72' )
06 Spearing
27 Lee
44 Medo
09 Ngog (Moritz - 67' )
10 Beckford (C Davies - 63' )

Substitutes

24 Lonergan
02 Mears
04 Mills
14 Moritz
11 Hall
28 C Davies
38 Odelusi

He's got near enough his own team now. I think it's more a mentality thing, we're stuck in that part of last season that saw us miss out on the play-offs and we can't get past it. DF showed that he can get his team into a run, I need the stats people here but didn't we lose only two from the last fifteen games?

[thebish]

I need the stats people here but didn't we lose only two from the last fifteen games?

dunno... we lost two from the last two if that's any help!

[William the White]

We were competitive in the first half in which we created the only genuine goal chance - that Beckford should have buried, after bursting through brilliantly.

Crucial in this was Tim Ream having an outstanding game as a defensive mdfielder, constantly available as an outlet, rotating the ball exceptionally well and enabling Spearing and Medo to play higher (Medo looked pretty sulky and out of sorts, Spearing once again committed and hard working).

Ngog may be the most frustrating footballer on the planet - he clearly has great skill, and excellent control, but persistently holds the ball for one swerve too many and loses it, and has barely got a goal in him.

The second half saw QPR take charge far too easily, Ream's injury and departure meant we lost a steady outlet, Moritz is nowhere near fit, and no substitution actually improved the prospects - though Hall's arrival didn't damage them.

Without Eagles we don't create chances. Neither do we take them.

These are worrying times. Our squad is far from convincing even as a top half contender.

[Harry Genshaw]

Wheater, Ream & Mills were approx £7m. Knight was re-signed when Coyle cunningly nipped in front of umpteen chasing clubs and snapped him up again.

I've already mentioned Ngog.

Mears, Andrews, Sordell were another £4m and continue to cost us god knows what in wages.

All this outgoing finance is surely hindering DF from getting in his own replacements, no? Last years run, which did include a few large slices of luck, may have masked over the problems a tad.

[BWFC_Insane]

Perhaps people saying Lee is playing 'ok' could tell me what he is actually contributing? He played behind the front two today and from what I saw had two great chances to slip Beckford through on goal and wasted both of them by keeping hold of the ball.

He's supposed to be the creator in the side but he creates nowt for me, can't beat a man and his final ball or shot or pass are all lacking.

He's a nothing for me. Not contributing owt worthwhile.

Same argument can be made I agree for the strikers. Ngog isn't producing end product I will go with. But his touch early on did set Lee away (he wasted it!!) and he can actually beat a man. Beckford missed his clear chance and was poor but did show the pace to burst through. Score one or two and I reckon he could go on a run.

I just don't see it with Lee. Over a season of nothingness.

Eagles back in for Lee, and I wouldn't mind seeing that system again, away from home though.

Dougie has a few big decisions to make. Trouble is Ream and Ngog both went off injured today. We seem to be going through one of 'those' spells where nothing goes right.

Big week ahead I feel.

[TANGODANCER]

Perhaps people saying Lee is playing 'ok' could tell me what he is actually contributing? He played behind the front two today and from what I saw had two great chances to slip Beckford through on goal and wasted both of them by keeping hold of the ball.

What you claim he did took about twenty seconds. He played for ninety minutes, quite a fair chunk of it defending, and, for what it's worth, Beckford being offside is the reason he didn't put him through. If you can't see his worth, then I sure can't tell you.

[Il Pirate]

Today we were poor. For those who say the linesman got everything wrong, watching the game on telly from the IoW; it was proved he got everything right. The ref was inconsistent, but inconsistent for both sides. Austin should have been given a red card. A cynical dirty bastard as I've seen in all my years of watching football. QPR Weren't great. We made them look good. We allowed their full backs a free reign today and that is worrying, as we've offered the same luxury to all we have played so far this season. At present it does not bode well, but I'll wait until the end of Nov before I call for the managers head, as injuries and suspensions are costing us.


01 Bogdan 8/10 Not a lot to do, couldn't be faulted for the goal.
12 Knight 7/10 A lot of presence in our box, made some good clearances, left exposed at times.
15 Baptiste 6/10 Some good play out of defence, caught out of position too often
23 Tierney Booked 5/10 Needs to know how to kick a ball forwards
31 Wheater 4/10 Again, lost his marker for their goal.
05 Ream (Hall - 72' ) 9/10. A revelation, and anchored our def/midfield. Hall 9/10 realy took the game to QPR when he came on, some great backtracking also.
06 Spearing 8/10 Covered every blade of grass, but sometimes lacks the killer pass.
27 Lee 7/10. Tried hard when played out of position
44 Medo 7/10 Some great tackles,but needs to keep his head when we put opposition under pressure. Made too many wrong choices with the bal
09 Ngog (Moritz - 67' ) 6/10. No end product, is he a striker or a midfielder? Moritz, 7/10 tried to make things happen when he came on. Some good passes.
10 Beckford (C Davies - 63' ) 5/10. Should have scored. Looked a frightened player today. C Davies 5/10 should have scored & allowed himself to be bullied by onuoha (forgive spelling).

[StaffsTrotter]

Poor game. Very disjointed, no tempo, no sharpness or snap in the pass or tackle from us. No atmosphere – but didn’t think was toxic as some have said – more apathetic, waiting for the inevitable

I know we have got some key injuries but this general approach of letting the opposition have the ball without any pressure high up the pitch or man on the ball is wearing slightly thin. The bizarre thing is that although we are setting up to be defensively solid we are so narrow that it is giving oppo full backs the freedom of the park to operate in and at the same time giving no outlet for any attacks we want to make. Its starting to remind me of the Meggo era – except we’re showing all this respect to bleeding Championship teams

Surprised by QPR. The personnel they have (and wage bill they must be running (FFP !) I thought they were a bit dirge, certainly compared with Reading. A little bit Premier League in style (lots of interchange of passes around the halfway line) but without the change of gear in the final third

The only way is up

[Athers]

We were competitive in the first half in which we created the only genuine goal chance - that Beckford should have buried, after bursting through brilliantly.

It was a nice interception of a poor ball but the only thing we 'created' in the 90 minutes was the Craig Davies effort. Medo was a shot from distance and then big fat nothing else.

Still, Eagles doesn't put his foot in.........

[AbrahM]

One thing you can say about Lee is the he is good defensively, made many tackles today. HOWEVER he gave the ball away a lot again and didnt create much. He is a very good player technically but doesn't actually create and never shoots, I would drop him for Eagles once fit. SWP was like the Lee of their team.

Without Eagles, Ngog is the one player who is actually exciting to watch, He showed quite a few signs of it last season and I feel he's started the season well. Didn't start against Burnley or forest (i think) and in the home games he has played against what may be the best 2 defenses in the league. I agree with Dougie I think he'll do well this year (He cannot shoot though)

[boltonboris]

Playing players out of position cost us points today. Abject second half.

[BWFC_Insane]

Perhaps people saying Lee is playing 'ok' could tell me what he is actually contributing? He played behind the front two today and from what I saw had two great chances to slip Beckford through on goal and wasted both of them by keeping hold of the ball.

What you claim he did took about twenty seconds. He played for ninety minutes, quite a fair chunk of it defending, and, for what it's worth, Beckford being offside is the reason he didn't put him through. If you can't see his worth, then I sure can't tell you.

So lee gets credit for 'defending' when he is in there as a creator.

Surely then NGog gets credit for being our only striker who can seemingly hold the ball?

I'm not buying Lee being excused for his defensive work. Took a right bollocking off Spearing first half for not tracking his man properly.

He's there to create goals and even score them. Especially in today's system. He did neither. And frankly rarely looked like doing so. Holds onto the ball far too long.

Hall looked far more threatening when he came on.

[Wandering Willy]

We're 19th in the league

It's Coyle's fault.

[thebish]

Perhaps people saying Lee is playing 'ok' could tell me what he is actually contributing?

He's a nothing for me. Not contributing owt worthwhile.

again - a little bit hyperbolic... must be tiring in a world where things are either ace or worhtless...

[thebish]

We seem to be going through one of 'those' spells where nothing goes right.

is it just that - or has the manager contributed in any way? when you're down to the vague "nothing goes right" excuse - you can see the bottom of the barrel, surely??

[thebish]

Perhaps people saying Lee is playing 'ok' could tell me what he is actually contributing? He played behind the front two today and from what I saw had two great chances to slip Beckford through on goal and wasted both of them by keeping hold of the ball.

What you claim he did took about twenty seconds. He played for ninety minutes, quite a fair chunk of it defending, and, for what it's worth, Beckford being offside is the reason he didn't put him through. If you can't see his worth, then I sure can't tell you.

So lee gets credit for 'defending' when he is in there as a creator.

Surely then NGog gets credit for being our only striker who can seemingly hold the ball?

I'm not buying Lee being excused for his defensive work. Took a right bollocking off Spearing first half for not tracking his man properly.

He's there to create goals and even score them. Especially in today's system. He did neither. And frankly rarely looked like doing so. Holds onto the ball far too long.

Hall looked far more threatening when he came on.

isn't Ngog there to do that too? in fact - hasn't Ngog supposed to have been doing that or months?

[Harry Genshaw]

We're 19th in the championship

It's Coyle's fault.

Fixed that for you.

You're just upset you cant blame SKD

[TANGODANCER]

Perhaps people saying Lee is playing 'ok' could tell me what he is actually contributing? He played behind the front two today and from what I saw had two great chances to slip Beckford through on goal and wasted both of them by keeping hold of the ball.

What you claim he did took about twenty seconds. He played for ninety minutes, quite a fair chunk of it defending, and, for what it's worth, Beckford being offside is the reason he didn't put him through. If you can't see his worth, then I sure can't tell you.

So lee gets credit for 'defending' when he is in there as a creator.

Surely then NGog gets credit for being our only striker who can seemingly hold the ball?

I'm not buying Lee being excused for his defensive work. Took a right bollocking off Spearing first half for not tracking his man properly.

He's there to create goals and even score them. Especially in today's system. He did neither. And frankly rarely looked like doing so. Holds onto the ball far too long.

Hall looked far more threatening when he came on.

You're worrying me now mate. Try and find a video of the game somewhere because you sure got a wrong view of it today. N'gog, as a top striker has done the sum total of nothing in the goals department, just as he did today. Did he have a shot on goal? As for Lee, I have to think you're biased, he was three times the player N'gog was.