Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Thu May 30, 2024 6:56 pm

Oggy has plenty of ability.

He was the best of the January loanees and we should acknowledge how hard it is for a young player to come in and make an impact with no preseason.

Best of luck to him and thanks for Carlisle.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu May 30, 2024 8:13 pm

Harry Genshaw wrote:
Thu May 30, 2024 5:37 pm
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Thu May 30, 2024 5:11 pm
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Shoretire leaving Utd on a free. Given his education and the bits he showed, we could do a lot worse than offering him a years contract, with B team and PJT matches to see how he progresses. That's assuming he's not fending off 2 and 3 year deals from L1 & L2 clubs.
Giving it up if we sign him.
Course you would!

Yet you still turned up when we signed a lad playing for Longridge and a lad released by Wolves who had been playing in the North conference?

Just a suggestion that if we're looking to bring on rejects from PL clubs in our B team, I reckon he'd be worth giving a chance.
It would sum up what I don’t like about modern football. Overly cosseted premiership kids who haven’t made the grade, haven’t played any real football aren’t exposed to the rough and tumble of it taking the resources of lower league clubs in the hope they come good.

He’s a flatter to deceive type. All the ability in the world but none of the application or physicality or just raw power and determination you need.

See it all the time. Many could be good players but do they really want it? These premiership academy lads have not had a good football education and they all been far too comfortable. IMHO!

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu May 30, 2024 9:35 pm

Nixon being asked to verify whether we are interested in Tyler Bindon, a teenage Reading centre-back. Won the fan site’s YPoTY award at a canter. Described as a good ball player, you’ll be astonished to hear.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Thu May 30, 2024 10:17 pm

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Nixon being asked to verify whether we are interested in Tyler Bindon, a teenage Reading centre-back. Won the fan site’s YPoTY award at a canter. Described as a good ball player, you’ll be astonished to hear.
Widely regarded as one of the hottest defensive prospects around.

That'd be a statement.

Not sure it'd appease some, though. Hardly the grizzled, "been there and done it" type.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu May 30, 2024 10:27 pm

Aye. The statement it would make might not be a unifying one.

Only a rumour for now anyway.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Thu May 30, 2024 10:35 pm

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Only a rumour for now anyway.
Would be amazed if we were able to find the cash in the first place and attract him in the second.

No idea what the sourcing is, but it would be the first in a while to genuinely surprise me. Obviously loads I've not seen coming, but I'd wonder how on earth that one happened.

I know everyone is trying to get their guy out of Reading, but still.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by jmjhb » Thu May 30, 2024 11:06 pm

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Thu May 30, 2024 6:56 pm
Oggy has plenty of ability.

He was the best of the January loanees and we should acknowledge how hard it is for a young player to come in and make an impact with no preseason.

Best of luck to him and thanks for Carlisle.
That's fair but equally I'm not that bothered about missing out. Probably a good move for all parties.

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Post by GhostoftheBok » Thu May 30, 2024 11:08 pm

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That's fair but equally I'm not that bothered about missing out. Probably a good move for all parties.
Can't say I'm distraught, no. If we'd signed him I'd have taken the positives regarding his potential, but he has a lot to learn.

I would have said he'd do well at Plymouth, but I have to say I'm confused by the Rooney thing.

Maybe I'm totally wrong, but it looks like a media play and not a sporting appointment.

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Post by GhostoftheBok » Thu May 30, 2024 11:22 pm

I had thought Zak Jules might be a more attainable target, if we were looking to add physicality and pace to the back three; but he's being rather strongly linked with Plymouth too.

Not surprising that they're picking up the kinds of players that might work for us. Similar football, not much money by Championship standards.

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Post by Bertie Wooster » Fri May 31, 2024 6:29 pm

A few rumours of Rangers CB Connor Goldson joining us, if true I'm not sure how we afford his wages never mind any fee.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri May 31, 2024 6:37 pm

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A few rumours of Rangers CB Connor Goldson joining us, if true I'm not sure how we afford his wages never mind any fee.
Yeah he’s very good. I can’t see that. Would be a huge improvement over what we’ve got at the back. Massive.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Fri May 31, 2024 6:50 pm

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A few rumours of Rangers CB Connor Goldson joining us, if true I'm not sure how we afford his wages never mind any fee.
One that would make everyone happy, I'd imagine.

Loads of experience, good on the ball, physical, reads the game well.

What's the sourcing?

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Post by Bertie Wooster » Fri May 31, 2024 7:05 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
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A few rumours of Rangers CB Connor Goldson joining us, if true I'm not sure how we afford his wages never mind any fee.
One that would make everyone happy, I'd imagine.

Loads of experience, good on the ball, physical, reads the game well.

What's the sourcing?
Its all over twitter, but it can't be true - why on earth would Rangers be looking to get rid, he's one of their best defenders and on decent wages (way to high for us)

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by jmjhb » Fri May 31, 2024 7:06 pm

Not a lot of resale value there but he would certainly be that experienced head at the back that we've perhaps lacked the last couple of seasons. A very astute signing if it comes off.
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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri May 31, 2024 7:10 pm

I think we should stop worrying about resale value and worry about realising the 8-10M value that promotion guarantees. I think a lot of our recruitment based on being able to sell people on is why we haven’t gone up because it’s forced us into a certain type.

I can’t see Goldson being true because it seems too costly, but if it is then it’s a huge step in the right direction. And even if we had to sell Santos to do it I’d be very pleased with that.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Worthy4England » Fri May 31, 2024 7:33 pm

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Fri May 31, 2024 7:10 pm
I think we should stop worrying about resale value and worry about realising the 8-10M value that promotion guarantees. I think a lot of our recruitment based on being able to sell people on is why we haven’t gone up because it’s forced us into a certain type.

I can’t see Goldson being true because it seems too costly, but if it is then it’s a huge step in the right direction. And even if we had to sell Santos to do it I’d be very pleased with that.
I hear you, but it's not really noted as "preventing losses"...

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Fri May 31, 2024 8:00 pm

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Its all over twitter, but it can't be true - why on earth would Rangers be looking to get rid, he's one of their best defenders and on decent wages (way to high for us)
Would find it utterly bizarre, yes. Still has 2 years left on his deal and is playing well.

If it's just a Twitter rumour then fair enough. I've not had a look. Been out.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Fri May 31, 2024 8:19 pm

Player investment isn't just about resale, though - it's also about having assets on the books that raise the overall value of the business.

Squads are a major part of how much a football club is worth. That impacts terms of financial instruments, risk assessments and all that banking jazz.

If investors put money in for new players then they'll usually want their cash converted into assets, so their money is essentially just "in storage" - at least in theory.

A big part of Markham's job is making the squad valuable as a business asset. We've gone from a squad with almost zero value to one worth several millions.

Maybe you find a gem and sell them for big money. Maybe you get promoted. The squad has to have value on the books, though. That has to be a constant.

Our record is excellent, in terms of increasing the value of assets. It's also good in terms of squad building and improving results on the pitch.

The club literally couldn't operate just "going for it" with older players. We'd go bust. We can definitely afford some, but we have got to keep that value up.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri May 31, 2024 9:08 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 8:19 pm
Player investment isn't just about resale, though - it's also about having assets on the books that raise the overall value of the business.

Squads are a major part of how much a football club is worth. That impacts terms of financial instruments, risk assessments and all that banking jazz.

If investors put money in for new players then they'll usually want their cash converted into assets, so their money is essentially just "in storage" - at least in theory.

A big part of Markham's job is making the squad valuable as a business asset. We've gone from a squad with almost zero value to one worth several millions.

Maybe you find a gem and sell them for big money. Maybe you get promoted. The squad has to have value on the books, though. That has to be a constant.

Our record is excellent, in terms of increasing the value of assets. It's also good in terms of squad building and improving results on the pitch.

The club literally couldn't operate just "going for it" with older players. We'd go bust. We can definitely afford some, but we have got to keep that value up.
But those assets are (or used to be) valued by their contracts not some hypothetical….sell on value.

No bank or financial institution or investor is lending against hypothetical future player value.

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Re: Tooling up: The summer 2024 transfer thread

Post by Worthy4England » Fri May 31, 2024 11:13 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 9:08 pm
GhostoftheBok wrote:
Fri May 31, 2024 8:19 pm
Player investment isn't just about resale, though - it's also about having assets on the books that raise the overall value of the business.

Squads are a major part of how much a football club is worth. That impacts terms of financial instruments, risk assessments and all that banking jazz.

If investors put money in for new players then they'll usually want their cash converted into assets, so their money is essentially just "in storage" - at least in theory.

A big part of Markham's job is making the squad valuable as a business asset. We've gone from a squad with almost zero value to one worth several millions.

Maybe you find a gem and sell them for big money. Maybe you get promoted. The squad has to have value on the books, though. That has to be a constant.

Our record is excellent, in terms of increasing the value of assets. It's also good in terms of squad building and improving results on the pitch.

The club literally couldn't operate just "going for it" with older players. We'd go bust. We can definitely afford some, but we have got to keep that value up.
But those assets are (or used to be) valued by their contracts not some hypothetical….sell on value.

No bank or financial institution or investor is lending against hypothetical future player value.
Think that's only part correct - so yeah, their registration is recognised. There was alway a Directors, statement in the Accounts about value of the squad as a sell on estimate. It used to seem pretty hypothetical to me and got knocked down a shitload when we got relegated from the Prem and again when we got relegated from the Champo.

It feels like the woodenist of dollars in a pretty fcuked up business model.

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