Freedman out!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Just reading in the BN that Dougie asked Trotter to do a role similar to 'Dannsy'

Don't we have a player who can do a role exactly like Dannsy already?

His name is Darren Pratley..ha ha only kidding, god I'm so zany at times, classic bantz that, absolute classic bantz.

Seriously though it's like Dougie's read a book he found on a bus called 'How to play football' and it's become his font of all knowledge.

What a pudding.

I now know what the ultimate insult is: yer takes yer plum, and yer takes yer pudding, and youva Plum Puddin'

[Gary the Enfield]

Just reading in the BN that Dougie asked Trotter to do a role similar to 'Dannsy'

Don't we have a player who can do a role exactly like Dannsy already?

His name is Darren Pratley..ha ha only kidding, god I'm so zany at times, classic bantz that, absolute classic bantz.

Seriously though it's like Dougie's read a book he found on a bus called 'How to play football' and it's become his font of all knowledge.

What a pudding.

I now know what the ultimate insult is: yer takes yer plum, and yer takes yer pudding, and youva Plum Puddin'

and as the Bish is/was so fond of saying ''the proof's in the pudding''

[Enoch]

What's all this plum nonsense!!

[Gravedigger]

Cake today, plum jam tomorrow?

[SmokinFrazier]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

[Gary the Enfield]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

Then don't.

Life's too fecking short.

[BWFC_Insane]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

Yeah I really hate it when clubs don't do as well as they once did. I don't think it should be allowed personally. Every club should be at the top of the league all the time.....

[Andy Waller]

i hope the ' Freedman Out ' -ing , is not scrawled on a bedsheet like in the megson era using poster paints thiefed from the local primary school... but instead using scrabble tiles glued onto big paper plates stolen from the churches afternoon tea.

:/

Like a Mosaic, say?

Wow, that'd be awesome.

Mosaic !! What tun......

No, let's not.

My God, My God, Why have you mosaic-en me?

[KeyserSoze]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

[Lord Kangana]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

Yeah I really hate it when clubs don't do as well as they once did. I don't think it should be allowed personally. Every club should be at the top of the league all the time.....

I think the ironyometer just blew up.

[SmokinFrazier]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

Yeah I really hate it when clubs don't do as well as they once did. I don't think it should be allowed personally. Every club should be at the top of the league all the time.....

Failure is an inevitable part of football but pathetically rolling over and accepting it shouldn't be.

But then you think Freedman will be better Allardyce, so what do I know? Not as much as you, that's certain...

[BWFC_Insane]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

Yeah I really hate it when clubs don't do as well as they once did. I don't think it should be allowed personally. Every club should be at the top of the league all the time.....

Failure is an inevitable part of football but pathetically rolling over and accepting it shouldn't be.

But then you think Freedman will be better Allardyce, so what do I know? Not as much as you, that's certain...

It isn't anything to do with "rolling over and accepting it". What do you want? They've spent money on players, seen turnover halved upon relegation and it further reduce still, seen losses go up, players that cost considerable money go for nothing...and all that across a number of managers and a period of time.

We're at a point now where seemingly Eddie Davies isn't going to throw money at anything. Changing manager is certainly far from a guarantee of anything. But it does cost money. Eddie has put a lot of his own money into the football club. IF he isn't prepared to pay for a managerial change and all that comes with it, then it is his choice. That isn't rolling over and accepting anything it is simply the financial reality.

But we've had plenty of times worse than this as fans before and we'll have them again. It is what supporting a club entails. You aren't going to be flying high all the time there is an ebb and flow to it and we're experiencing that now.

When people talk ambition what they really mean is money. This club has shown plenty of ambition over the past 15 years. Eddie D might well ask, and what have we got to show for it? But sadly that is an inevitable. When we were promoted we went up alongside Blackburn and Fulham. Three clubs who all beat the odds to stay in the top flight far longer than anyone expected upon promotion. We'll all most likely be in the same division next year...

[Prufrock]

I hate hearing managers call players by nicknames. 'Dannsy'?! Sort it out Douglas.

[Lord Kangana]

. What do you want?

I hate to come crashing in this discussion with something so really blindingly obvious, but I believe SF has been fairly consistent in stating what he wants, and what his solution is. I'm taking it as read that everyone knows what he wants.

[BWFC_Insane]

. What do you want?

I hate to come crashing in this discussion with something so really blindingly obvious, but I believe SF has been fairly consistent in stating what he wants, and what his solution is. I'm taking it as read that everyone knows what he wants.

Yes, what he wants is for Eddie to roll the dice again and change manager. In other words dip into his pockets again and gamble, except this time gambling from a lower base.

I get that. But he's done that all several times already. And doesn't look like he wants to again. That isn't accepting anything other than perhaps that Eddie isn't going to bankroll another night at the Casino....

[Hoboh]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

Yeah I really hate it when clubs don't do as well as they once did. I don't think it should be allowed personally. Every club should be at the top of the league all the time.....

I agree totally, they should never be bumping along the bottom with a wet behind the ears prick of a manager so far up his own arse without any cause.

[SmokinFrazier]

I have a feeling Freedman will be here next season. He should have been sacked after 10 games of the season and certainly should have gone a few games ago when relegation was a real possibility but because he wasn't, it makes me wonder what will have to happen for him to be sacked. I don't see it happening before the start of next season, anyway. Keeping him will continue the downward spiral but that's what I expect. I hate supporting a club which accepts mediocrity.

Yeah I really hate it when clubs don't do as well as they once did. I don't think it should be allowed personally. Every club should be at the top of the league all the time.....

Failure is an inevitable part of football but pathetically rolling over and accepting it shouldn't be.

But then you think Freedman will be better Allardyce, so what do I know? Not as much as you, that's certain...

It isn't anything to do with "rolling over and accepting it". What do you want? They've spent money on players, seen turnover halved upon relegation and it further reduce still, seen losses go up, players that cost considerable money go for nothing...and all that across a number of managers and a period of time.

We're at a point now where seemingly Eddie Davies isn't going to throw money at anything. Changing manager is certainly far from a guarantee of anything. But it does cost money. Eddie has put a lot of his own money into the football club. IF he isn't prepared to pay for a managerial change and all that comes with it, then it is his choice. That isn't rolling over and accepting anything it is simply the financial reality.

But we've had plenty of times worse than this as fans before and we'll have them again. It is what supporting a club entails. You aren't going to be flying high all the time there is an ebb and flow to it and we're experiencing that now.

When people talk ambition what they really mean is money. This club has shown plenty of ambition over the past 15 years. Eddie D might well ask, and what have we got to show for it? But sadly that is an inevitable. When we were promoted we went up alongside Blackburn and Fulham. Three clubs who all beat the odds to stay in the top flight far longer than anyone expected upon promotion. We'll all most likely be in the same division next year...

Even if you were right with all that, which you aren't, it still has nothing to do with keeping Freedman in a job he clearly isn't capable of doing. Changing a manager is expensive, yes, but the compensation they'd receive for being sacked is only money that we're going to pay Freedman and his staff in wages anyway. If we promoted Phillips or Lee to manager position until the end of the season, you'd be looking at spending an additional couple of thousand a week or something like that. For a big business like Bolton, that's peanuts. If you want to look at the financial situation, the higher we finish, the more money we receive from the league and if we finish the season on a high, attendances will be up and season tickets for next year will be up. There's an argument that sacking Freedman would be expensive but there's also an argument that sacking Freedman and his useless staff could be financially beneficial too.

But all that is irrelevant to the discussion about Freedman. It's entirely baseless and a poor argument. We're a club that spent £1.5m on a single player in the summer, £500k on an unproven young player, signed a free transfer on big wages and are paying a percentage of the wages of several other players, yet you act like we're penny pinching. We clearly aren't. Yeah, some overpaid players are being shipped out but the way you bang on, you'd think the club toilets had yesterdays newpaper on a roll.

He's a failure of a manager, well out of his depth. Keeping him will only hurt the club in short and long term, both in results and financially. Bury your head in the sand if you want to, but it doesn't change the facts.

[a1]

where were that line of thinking when we were in the prem with Clap Along Cassidy in charge ?

it mattered more then.

[Lord Kangana]

Why did it matter more then than now?

[bobo the clown]

Point is, he's staying. There's no taste from ED & PG to be rid ... he'll be here close season, have the role of getting rid of Knight, Eagles & probably Lee. Also of signing next year's new ones (Dann's & the Juke hopefully).

He will only be got rid of if we have yet another poor start. I suppose a question is if he remains mediocre (at best) whether he'll be let stay and just not have his contract not renewed.