Bolton - Leeds

[Harry Genshaw]

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I share your pessimism at times BWFC I but talk about glass being half empty. We were lcuky to draw last night and not lose could have just as easily been said by a Leeds fan. Did you miss the 1st half?

Anyway - according to Paul Daniels and who would doubt him? - luck is just hard work meeting opportunity.

[BWFC_Insane]

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I share your pessimism at times BWFC I but talk about glass being half empty. We were lcuky to draw last night and not lose could have just as easily been said by a Leeds fan. Did you miss the 1st half?

Anyway - according to Paul Daniels and who would doubt him? - luck is just hard work meeting opportunity.

My point being that had Dioufs shot been a few inches lower, we'd have lost. Coyle and his apologists want to talk about all the 'luck' that supposedly goes against us, but aren't as keen to point out at the end we were 'lucky' to not lose.

[bw@bw]

I'm sure it was Lee Trevino.

It was Gary Player who said it first

When he was pushing "The Power of Positive Thinking"

Maybe that's where Coyle should start

[TANGODANCER]

I'm sure it was Lee Trevino.

Don't bet money on it. I know I'm right.

[bwfcdan94]

displeased at the result last night still cant understand why he is still at our club but i guess your right that next week will be the time with the international break. here are the odds on are next manager a clear favourite has emerged and of the realistic candidates he is the one i would by far most want to become are next manager. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/foo ... nt-manager

[Worthy4England]

I can't belive that some people are now implying that we should be happy with the situation the club finds itself in. Feck me

One thing that keeps being said to me; "Did you see us in the old 4th division? No? Well, I did. Things can always be worse."
Right, so...I'm not allowed to comment because I'm too young to have see us back then, and just because things have been worse in the past, I'm not allowed to voice complaints at the current shite being served up?

That's a bit like suggesting AIDS isn't bad, because we had TB back in the day.

I saw us in the old 4th Division - I have no desire to return to it.

[BL3]

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I share your pessimism at times BWFC I but talk about glass being half empty. We were lcuky to draw last night and not lose could have just as easily been said by a Leeds fan. Did you miss the 1st half?

Anyway - according to Paul Daniels and who would doubt him? - luck is just hard work meeting opportunity.

My point being that had Dioufs shot been a few inches lower, we'd have lost. Coyle and his apologists want to talk about all the 'luck' that supposedly goes against us, but aren't as keen to point out at the end we were 'lucky' to not lose.

So you're counting Diouff's effort that hit the bar but not Eagle's effort that hit the post?

Here's a few quotes from a Leeds forum:

'I have no idea how we went in at 1 :1 at half time? Should have been game over by then'

'all in all a good point bearing in mind we were only in control for 20 minutes of the game'

'We were completely overun in the first half . It could easily have been 3-0 at half time'

Perhaps they're all 'Coyle apologists' as well eh?

[officer_dibble]

Courrse they are. if i was an opposition fan id want coyle in charge of us!

[TKIZ!]

and pre-season billing as promotion favourites has made it worse - as promotion favourites, we should be far more commanding than we currently are, not scraping draws and losing without a decent chance against teams who should be nowhere near us in the league.

What has this got to do with anything. Did Coyle decide we were favourites?
Or was it the same people who decided Leicester were last season.. Etc etc...

What we have is a hugely competitive league of questionable quality.. Where 19th place as of last evening was nearer top on points than bottom... Where Leeds were on a run of 4 on the bounce... Palace who scraped by us on sat went to Wolves, themselves on a run, and beat them more comfortably than they did us.. Top place Brighton ( we'd take gus poyet I suspect?) post a loss and a draw in two home games against 'lowly' opposition
To my knowledge promotion has never been decided 1- by a bookmaker or 2 in October..
We may or may not get up near the top with or without this manager... But what I can't understand is the all pervading arrogance that keeps maintaining that we only have to turn up to piss this division? Because we have the players? Well on the basis of close on two years we don't have the players.. Organisation, tactics yadda yadda yadda yadda... End of the team talk it's 11 v 11 it's about players.. And the season as hardly started.. Management is so massively over rated.. Losing Cahill an Wheater will always cost us more than keeping Coyle..

Totally agree with this post, the force is strong with this one

[BL3]

and pre-season billing as promotion favourites has made it worse - as promotion favourites, we should be far more commanding than we currently are, not scraping draws and losing without a decent chance against teams who should be nowhere near us in the league.

What has this got to do with anything. Did Coyle decide we were favourites?
Or was it the same people who decided Leicester were last season.. Etc etc...

What we have is a hugely competitive league of questionable quality.. Where 19th place as of last evening was nearer top on points than bottom... Where Leeds were on a run of 4 on the bounce... Palace who scraped by us on sat went to Wolves, themselves on a run, and beat them more comfortably than they did us.. Top place Brighton ( we'd take gus poyet I suspect?) post a loss and a draw in two home games against 'lowly' opposition
To my knowledge promotion has never been decided 1- by a bookmaker or 2 in October..
We may or may not get up near the top with or without this manager... But what I can't understand is the all pervading arrogance that keeps maintaining that we only have to turn up to piss this division? Because we have the players? Well on the basis of close on two years we don't have the players.. Organisation, tactics yadda yadda yadda yadda... End of the team talk it's 11 v 11 it's about players.. And the season as hardly started.. Management is so massively over rated.. Losing Cahill an Wheater will always cost us more than keeping Coyle..

Coyle stated anything but promotion was failure, Gartside has set the target of two points per game. I'd say that would be the club positioning ourselves as favourites, no?

I make it that only Kevin Davies, Mark Davies and Zat Knight remain from our starting line up 18 months ago and Mark Davies was a bit part player at that time. Five of the rest who started last night were signed by Coyle this year. So, what does two years have to do with anything? The players continue to change, but results are alarmingly consistent.

It's not arrogance for a recently relegated team, backed by a comparatively massive wage bill and parachute payments, to expect to be sat higher than 17th after 9 games. Especially considering we've only played one of the current top six and two of the six teams who finished below the top three last season. We've lost them all.

Incidentally, if we're going to emulate Reading as some seem to still fancy we might, we now need 78 points from the remaining 35 games.

West Ham had the biggest wage bill in the division last season. They also had arguably the best manager and yet they only just scraped up in the play-offs. No one has a divine right to promotion just because they were in the Premier League last season.

[BWFC_Insane]

and pre-season billing as promotion favourites has made it worse - as promotion favourites, we should be far more commanding than we currently are, not scraping draws and losing without a decent chance against teams who should be nowhere near us in the league.

What has this got to do with anything. Did Coyle decide we were favourites?
Or was it the same people who decided Leicester were last season.. Etc etc...

What we have is a hugely competitive league of questionable quality.. Where 19th place as of last evening was nearer top on points than bottom... Where Leeds were on a run of 4 on the bounce... Palace who scraped by us on sat went to Wolves, themselves on a run, and beat them more comfortably than they did us.. Top place Brighton ( we'd take gus poyet I suspect?) post a loss and a draw in two home games against 'lowly' opposition
To my knowledge promotion has never been decided 1- by a bookmaker or 2 in October..
We may or may not get up near the top with or without this manager... But what I can't understand is the all pervading arrogance that keeps maintaining that we only have to turn up to piss this division? Because we have the players? Well on the basis of close on two years we don't have the players.. Organisation, tactics yadda yadda yadda yadda... End of the team talk it's 11 v 11 it's about players.. And the season as hardly started.. Management is so massively over rated.. Losing Cahill an Wheater will always cost us more than keeping Coyle..

Coyle stated anything but promotion was failure, Gartside has set the target of two points per game. I'd say that would be the club positioning ourselves as favourites, no?

I make it that only Kevin Davies, Mark Davies and Zat Knight remain from our starting line up 18 months ago and Mark Davies was a bit part player at that time. Five of the rest who started last night were signed by Coyle this year. So, what does two years have to do with anything? The players continue to change, but results are alarmingly consistent.

It's not arrogance for a recently relegated team, backed by a comparatively massive wage bill and parachute payments, to expect to be sat higher than 17th after 9 games. Especially considering we've only played one of the current top six and two of the six teams who finished below the top three last season. We've lost them all.

Incidentally, if we're going to emulate Reading as some seem to still fancy we might, we now need 78 points from the remaining 35 games.

West Ham had the biggest wage bill in the division last season. They also had arguably the best manager and yet they only just scraped up in the play-offs. No one has a divine right to promotion just because they were in the Premier League last season.

But they got there and look where they are now? And seriously, if we had Allardyce we'd all be confident, cos Sam is a too manager who will make things happen.

We've gone from 11 years in the premiership to bumming around the bottom of the championship.

That is quite simply not down to bad luck, and if you think it is, it reflects a weak personality.

[BL3]

and pre-season billing as promotion favourites has made it worse - as promotion favourites, we should be far more commanding than we currently are, not scraping draws and losing without a decent chance against teams who should be nowhere near us in the league.

What has this got to do with anything. Did Coyle decide we were favourites?
Or was it the same people who decided Leicester were last season.. Etc etc...

What we have is a hugely competitive league of questionable quality.. Where 19th place as of last evening was nearer top on points than bottom... Where Leeds were on a run of 4 on the bounce... Palace who scraped by us on sat went to Wolves, themselves on a run, and beat them more comfortably than they did us.. Top place Brighton ( we'd take gus poyet I suspect?) post a loss and a draw in two home games against 'lowly' opposition
To my knowledge promotion has never been decided 1- by a bookmaker or 2 in October..
We may or may not get up near the top with or without this manager... But what I can't understand is the all pervading arrogance that keeps maintaining that we only have to turn up to piss this division? Because we have the players? Well on the basis of close on two years we don't have the players.. Organisation, tactics yadda yadda yadda yadda... End of the team talk it's 11 v 11 it's about players.. And the season as hardly started.. Management is so massively over rated.. Losing Cahill an Wheater will always cost us more than keeping Coyle..

Coyle stated anything but promotion was failure, Gartside has set the target of two points per game. I'd say that would be the club positioning ourselves as favourites, no?

I make it that only Kevin Davies, Mark Davies and Zat Knight remain from our starting line up 18 months ago and Mark Davies was a bit part player at that time. Five of the rest who started last night were signed by Coyle this year. So, what does two years have to do with anything? The players continue to change, but results are alarmingly consistent.

It's not arrogance for a recently relegated team, backed by a comparatively massive wage bill and parachute payments, to expect to be sat higher than 17th after 9 games. Especially considering we've only played one of the current top six and two of the six teams who finished below the top three last season. We've lost them all.

Incidentally, if we're going to emulate Reading as some seem to still fancy we might, we now need 78 points from the remaining 35 games.

West Ham had the biggest wage bill in the division last season. They also had arguably the best manager and yet they only just scraped up in the play-offs. No one has a divine right to promotion just because they were in the Premier League last season.

But they got there and look where they are now? And seriously, if we had Allardyce we'd all be confident, cos Sam is a too manager who will make things happen.

We've gone from 11 years in the premiership to bumming around the bottom of the championship.

That is quite simply not down to bad luck, and if you think it is, it reflects a weak personality.

They got there after 49 games. You're throwing in the towel after nine. I'd say that reflects a 'weak personality'.

[BWFC_Insane]

Sam hadn't taken them down and produced 18 miserable months of form, littered with mistakes and horrible horrible football.

Anyhow let's compare ourselves to West Ham, who as you say scraped a play off victory. At this stage they were 4th. After 11 games they were second and remained in the top 3 for the rest of the season.

I think Coyle has had more time here then any manager could ever ever wish for anywhere.

He is the luckiest man in football to still be in a job after the utter incompetence and shite he has produced.

[BL3]

Anyhow let's compare ourselves to West Ham, who as you say scraped a play off victory. At this stage they were 4th. After 11 games they were second and remained in the top 3 for the rest of the season.

It doesn't matter what position they occupied for the majority of the season. It's were they finished that counts. Remind us what position Reading were in after 10 games...

[truewhite15]

Anyhow let's compare ourselves to West Ham, who as you say scraped a play off victory. At this stage they were 4th. After 11 games they were second and remained in the top 3 for the rest of the season.

It doesn't matter what position they occupied for the majority of the season. It's were they finished that counts. Remind us what position Reading were in after 10 games...

Again, with a manager who hadn't just relegated them and delivered 18 months of shite.

[BWFC_Insane]

Anyhow let's compare ourselves to West Ham, who as you say scraped a play off victory. At this stage they were 4th. After 11 games they were second and remained in the top 3 for the rest of the season.

It doesn't matter what position they occupied for the majority of the season. It's were they finished that counts. Remind us what position Reading were in after 10 games...

Why don't you remind us what happened to the manager that relegated West Ham?

Anyhow once again I ask you, how bad does it have to get before you would consider changing your manager! Or do you think clubs should never ever ever sack a manager?

[officer_dibble]

...Because we have the players? Well on the basis of close on two years we don't have the players.. Organisation, tactics yadda yadda yadda yadda... End of the team talk it's 11 v 11 it's about players.. And the season as hardly started.. Management is so massively over rated.. Losing Cahill an Wheater will always cost us more than keeping Coyle..

Totally agree with this post, the force is strong with this one

are you two for real?

its got little do with coyle? our squad cost more than the majority of the league! last year it was 14th(?) most expensive? even if it was all coz lee n stuholdz were injured (oh and we had bad fixtures and the refs were shit) last season how on earth anyone can defend the influence clueless has on a team that should be top 6 is beyobd me. We could be bottom soon!

[thebish]

Sam hadn't taken them down and produced 18 miserable months of form, littered with mistakes and horrible horrible football.

have you spoken to any west ham fans about the niceness of the football they watched last year in the championship? I have!! (not that it matters - it's just a dumb thing to claim!)

[thebish]

Anyhow let's compare ourselves to West Ham, who as you say scraped a play off victory. At this stage they were 4th. After 11 games they were second and remained in the top 3 for the rest of the season.

It doesn't matter what position they occupied for the majority of the season. It's were they finished that counts. Remind us what position Reading were in after 10 games...

Why don't you remind us what happened to the manager that relegated West Ham?

Anyhow once again I ask you, how bad does it have to get before you would consider changing your manager! Or do you think clubs should never ever ever sack a manager?

y'see - someone can agree with your overall conclusion - that Coyle should go - but NOT agree with every charge that you lay at Coyle's door. do you see how that works??

[BWFC_Insane]

Sam hadn't taken them down and produced 18 miserable months of form, littered with mistakes and horrible horrible football.

have you spoken to any west ham fans about the niceness of the football they watched last year in the championship? I have!! (not that it matters - it's just a dumb thing to claim!)

The football we play under Coyle is shite in the main. Odd spark here or there, but mainly turgid stuff.

Thats ok if you get results, but if not......

Home crowd is flat because the performances are mainly flat, tedious and lifeless. For half an hour against Leeds we played with tempo and movement. But that is the exception not the rule.