Freedman out!

[BWFC_Insane]

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If you throw enough shit at a wall then eventually some will stick. If he knows the sort of players that we need then why've we seen so much dross?

Was he allowed to do what he wanted last summer? I'm far from convinced. Tierney seemed a good buy but we've been unlucky with his injury.

Spearing is a good buy now that he has the right players around him. He's certainly come into his own again.

Baptiste is ok. I'd not be berating the fact we got him on a free.

Beckford was the wrong type and a mistake as I said above....

Hall a kid with promise.

But I questioned then and I do now, what promises were made, because my personal view is that he expected to be signing more players in the second half of the summer that then didn't happen, and we were left scrabbling for a few savings to bring in a player on a free on what was reportedly a very modest wage.

One might argue that the vast majority of the resources available to him were tied up in the likes of Eagles, LCY, NGog, Knight etc.

The trouble is and my worry is that as we release Eagles, Knight and the like this season that their salaries are just swallowed up by the fair play requirements and we're left unable to sign someone like Jutkiewicz and are left again scrabbling around to free up money for less than ideal alternatives.

I realise that is the way the championship is, but for me Dougie's buying/loaning with the odd exception has been pretty good. Medo, Spearing, Dawson, Juke etc etc

If he gets the chance to put his team together I'd be interested to see what happens. But like last season I'm not sure he will to the extent it is required. And relying on loans means you always play catch up......

[knobby]

Now , in the style of Alcoholic anonymous meeting, my name is Knobby and I am a bit thick.
BUT ....


I have watched and read with interest all this financial fairplay bollox and it seems to me that we are the only ones that seem concerned about it , or am i missing something.

[boltonboris]

Now , in the style of Alcoholic anonymous meeting, my name is Knobby and I am a bit thick.
BUT ....


I have watched and read with interest all this financial fairplay bollox and it seems to me that we are the only ones that seem concerned about it , or am i missing something.

I think we're the only ones WANTING to take it seriously.

We have to stop spending beyond our means at some point. this is the perfect time and the perfect excuse.

Can't blame them for that...

[BWFC_Insane]

Now , in the style of Alcoholic anonymous meeting, my name is Knobby and I am a bit thick.
BUT ....


I have watched and read with interest all this financial fairplay bollox and it seems to me that we are the only ones that seem concerned about it , or am i missing something.

I think we're the only ones WANTING to take it seriously.

We have to stop spending beyond our means at some point. this is the perfect time and the perfect excuse.

Can't blame them for that...

We're most affected by it, having the biggest debt and largest reliance on an owner putting money in to bridge the gap (the very thing FFP stops).

Perhaps QPR might be more affected should they stay down.

[Athers]

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If you throw enough shit at a wall then eventually some will stick. If he knows the sort of players that we need then why've we seen so much dross?

I suppose the nature of the loan market is that you're getting people someone else doesn't think good enough. Boro fans had little good to say about Juke, Leicester the same about Danns, Millwall about Trotter...

[Riviman]

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If you throw enough shit at a wall then eventually some will stick. If he knows the sort of players that we need then why've we seen so much dross?

I suppose the nature of the loan market is that you're getting people someone else doesn't think good enough. Boro fans had little good to say about Juke, Leicester the same about Danns, Millwall about Trotter...

They were right about Trotter !!!!

[bobo the clown]

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If you throw enough shit at a wall then eventually some will stick. If he knows the sort of players that we need then why've we seen so much dross?

I suppose the nature of the loan market is that you're getting people someone else doesn't think good enough. Boro fans had little good to say about Juke, Leicester the same about Danns, Millwall about Trotter...

I've accepted throughout that he seems to have an eye for a player .... of a particular type & level at least. That's why I can't fathom out the thing he has about Trotter .... nor the first incarnation of Mason.

His Hutton, Danns, Juke, Dawson etc. record is good. McNaughton too. These players are out there.

What is odd is his then (lack of) use of players he's chased .... Moritz, Cravies, Beckford come to mind. He was almost over loyal with Baptiste, who I still think was a good signing but hasn't somehow worked out .... which us why I think he went over the top when he finally felt let down by him). Tierney was a positive step.

He maybe should be Chief Scout.

[thebish]

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If you throw enough shit at a wall then eventually some will stick. If he knows the sort of players that we need then why've we seen so much dross?

because if you're fishing in a bargain-bucket that contains mostly shit and the occasional hard-to-find gem - then you will simply catch shit sometimes...

if you fish in a bucket that only had gems and the occasional tiny well-hidden turd - you will catch more gems...

[jonnycooper]

Pratley doesn't seem to get much of a look-in lately! Do we think he's a goner in the summer? Quite like him and think he's a good squad player ....

[boltonboris]

I think he's an horrific footballer that is a scab on our club, personally.

[truewhite15]

Pratley doesn't seem to get much of a look-in lately! Do we think he's a goner in the summer? Quite like him and think he's a good squad player ....

That'd be the Pratley currently out injured for the rest of the season?

I agree though - he's a good squad player, and I'd rather have him over Trotter...

[bobo the clown]

Pratley doesn't seem to get much of a look-in lately! Do we think he's a goner in the summer? Quite like him and think he's a good squad player ....

Yes, a surprising omission apart from his injured shoulder which needed surgery after a pin from a previous injury tore through his shoulder ??

The 28-year-old has undergone further surgery after a recurrence of shoulder problems that affected him during his time at Swansea City.

"The surgeon found bits of screw had snapped off all over it, so he had to take them all out and restructure his whole shoulder,"

[CrazyHorse]

-------- This is not a post saying I told you so --------

I remember the Dougie Out mania was at a height after the Millwall draw on 15-Feb. Is it agreed that we've had one disappointing game since then - Brighton at home. Maybe Yeovil?? I would say any new boss or Jimmy Phillips wouldn't have done better.

You can agree with this and still want a change in the Summer (I don't).

I can probably agree with all that.
But then I think that even despite the one loss in ten record we're still just at 14th. Our highest position since the start of the season.

Joe Mason's loan ends on Saturday, he'll be off back to Wales after the Barnsley game. JSL.

[SmokinFrazier]

He's probably done enough to warrant keeping hold off to see if we can start next season where we seem to be leaving off this..

But 8 games for me. If we're bottom 6/8, he can get to feck (again).

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If he's allowed and/or able to sign those players or equivalents I'd be pretty confident for next season.

But if not then I'd be worried whoever was in charge. We don't have money to splash I get that, but the loanees have shown us the sort of characters required, and bringing some of those (ideally all) in next season is essential.

Equally if he goes off and signs more with the Beckford character then he can get lost, because that was a mistake with our squad and one that shouldn't be repeated.

Are they players we need or just the only sort of players Freedman can get the best out of? Maybe if we had a better manager, we'd be able to see Davies, Eagles and Moritz at their best instead. Those you listed are surely a dream to work with for a limited manager because of their workrate.

[BWFC_Insane]

He's probably done enough to warrant keeping hold off to see if we can start next season where we seem to be leaving off this..

But 8 games for me. If we're bottom 6/8, he can get to feck (again).

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If he's allowed and/or able to sign those players or equivalents I'd be pretty confident for next season.

But if not then I'd be worried whoever was in charge. We don't have money to splash I get that, but the loanees have shown us the sort of characters required, and bringing some of those (ideally all) in next season is essential.

Equally if he goes off and signs more with the Beckford character then he can get lost, because that was a mistake with our squad and one that shouldn't be repeated.

Are they players we need or just the only sort of players Freedman can get the best out of? Maybe if we had a better manager, we'd be able to see Davies, Eagles and Moritz at their best instead. Those you listed are surely a dream to work with for a limited manager because of their workrate.

Eh? Moritz was with Freedman at Palace. Clearly he hasn't got a problem getting the best out of him.

Eagles is gone irrespective of the manager.

Nothing wrong with Davies, but you need the players in there to let him play and Dougie has managed to get some great stuff out of him when he was fit.

Teams that are promoted from this division all tend to have plenty of graft mixed with some flair and a goal scorer or two. It is the team we've put out the past few months that is the right sort of mix.

Jutkiewicz and Mason are not limited players at all. They just have the right mix of qualities that helps you out at this level. Danns is hardly just a workhorse either.

But they all work hard, and play for the team. Qualities that are essential.

[jonnycooper]

Pratley doesn't seem to get much of a look-in lately! Do we think he's a goner in the summer? Quite like him and think he's a good squad player ....

Yes, a surprising omission apart from his injured shoulder which needed surgery after a pin from a previous injury tore through his shoulder ??

The 28-year-old has undergone further surgery after a recurrence of shoulder problems that affected him during his time at Swansea City.

"The surgeon found bits of screw had snapped off all over it, so he had to take them all out and restructure his whole shoulder,"

Softarse! Shirley he could play through the pain barrier

[Bruce Rioja]

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If you throw enough shit at a wall then eventually some will stick. If he knows the sort of players that we need then why've we seen so much dross?

because if you're fishing in a bargain-bucket that contains mostly shit and the occasional hard-to-find gem - then you will simply catch shit sometimes...

if you fish in a bucket that only had gems and the occasional tiny well-hidden turd - you will catch more gems...

That's a little like Ronan Keating helpfully informing us that 'Life is a Roller coaster', but thanks anyway.

[thebish]

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If you throw enough shit at a wall then eventually some will stick. If he knows the sort of players that we need then why've we seen so much dross?

because if you're fishing in a bargain-bucket that contains mostly shit and the occasional hard-to-find gem - then you will simply catch shit sometimes...

if you fish in a bucket that only had gems and the occasional tiny well-hidden turd - you will catch more gems...

That's a little like Ronan Keating helpfully informing us that 'Life is a Roller coaster', but thanks anyway.

indeed - but then an obvious question often gets an obvious answer!!

[Bruce Rioja]

Again the question comes down to, he's shown that he knows the sorts of players we need.

Danns, Jutkiewicz, Mason and to a lesser degree Hutton have all made very decent impacts.

If you throw enough shit at a wall then eventually some will stick. If he knows the sort of players that we need then why've we seen so much dross?

because if you're fishing in a bargain-bucket that contains mostly shit and the occasional hard-to-find gem - then you will simply catch shit sometimes...

if you fish in a bucket that only had gems and the occasional tiny well-hidden turd - you will catch more gems...

That's a little like Ronan Keating helpfully informing us that 'Life is a Roller coaster', but thanks anyway.

indeed - but then an obvious question often gets an obvious answer!!

You obviously missed the real question then. I'll make it clearer. If Freedman's 'shown that he knows the sort of player we need' as BWFCI attests, then why's he not been fishing where the fish are rather than dredging the canal?

[Always hopeful]

What are you lot carping on about?

All sounds very fishy to me.