Freedman out!

[thebish]

I imagine dougie will throw whatever shit back that he can... problem is - when contracts are signed they are attached by that little legal hook on the end of the line...

Which leads us back to slapdash shit recruiting in the first place.

no it doesn't.

Of course it does. To end up in the situation you describe means a player's been poorly recruited in the first place.

or - as I described above - we end up in the situation that any club and manager in our situation does - namely that not all signings will turn out as hoped/expected. that's not especially poor recruitment - it's the normal and expected kind of failure rate for this kind of transaction in our situation.

the idea that this marks Dougie out as especially bad at recruiting players or that he has only stumbled across a few good ones by chance doesn't really stack up...

all of our managers have signed dross - and many of them were fishing in better-stocked ponds then dougie has.

dougie can be criticised for stuff (as can most managers) - but I think the case that he is somehow a crap recruiter of players is decidedly weak...

[bobo the clown]

He still has the opportunity NOT to sign Trotter however. Let's see if he does !! It may well help or hinder his rehabilitation in the eyes of many.

[BWFC_Insane]

Trotter, Cravies, Hall, Bastos can't get a game in the stiffs, Baptiste...

Bastos and Hall are kids.

Baptiste on a free is hardly a terrible deal imo. Decent enough player at this level.

Trotter is still very early days.

Craig Davies, was cheap and hasn't worked out.

I don't think any of that is demonstraby terrible.

No manager will get every deal right. No manager in history. But on balance Medo, Spearing, Jutkiewicz, Dawson, Mason, Hutton etc on balance is a good record and more than the odd "one off".

Dawson? Cherry picking there, aren't you? If you want to bring last seasons in as well that's fine by me. What was he called from Southampton? Butter......?

You brought in last season with Craig Davies.

So we'll strike last season from the record then.

[Bruce Rioja]

all of our managers have signed dross - and many of them were fishing in better-stocked ponds then dougie has.

Oh right, that's OK then. Polices that have got us into the shit don't need to be addressed and reversed then?! Glad we sorted that out. Carry on Dougie, you're not here to turn things round or owt. You're just here to carry things on on a smaller scale. Silly me.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

He still has the opportunity NOT to sign Trotter however. Let's see if he does !! It may well help or hinder his rehabilitation in the eyes of many.

Where I am.

On the whole he has recruited quite well, though if Trotter gets a contract he deserves some shit. The issue for me is how he uses players, or rather doesn't use them.

[thebish]

all of our managers have signed dross - and many of them were fishing in better-stocked ponds then dougie has.

Oh right, that's OK then. Polices that have got us into the shit don't need to be addressed and reversed then?! Glad we sorted that out. Carry on Dougie, you're not here to turn things round or owt. You're just here to carry things on on a smaller scale. Silly me.

I think you're getting yourself into an an-necessary sarcasm-lather! chill!

we may disagree - but it's not over a life or death issue... it's just that I don't believe that Dougie is an especially bad recruiter of the kind of player we will need to get out of the championship..

he has other faults - but it doesn't mean that he has to be a failure at everything!

tomorrow you'll be telling us that he's crap in bed and can't make a decent boiled egg!

you've pretty much sucked at setting out a case for dougie being crap at recruiting, that's all! if your little list of players was the substance of your case - then it doesn't look to me like dougie's doing that badly at recruitment given our circumstances and position. I think he gets recruitment right a lot more often than he gets it wrong...

[thebish]

On the whole he has recruited quite well, though if Trotter gets a contract he deserves some shit. The issue for me is how he uses players, or rather doesn't use them.

indeed.

[Bruce Rioja]

all of our managers have signed dross - and many of them were fishing in better-stocked ponds then dougie has.

Oh right, that's OK then. Polices that have got us into the shit don't need to be addressed and reversed then?! Glad we sorted that out. Carry on Dougie, you're not here to turn things round or owt. You're just here to carry things on on a smaller scale. Silly me.

I think you're getting yourself into an an-necessary sarcasm-lather! chill!

we may disagree - but it's not over a life or death issue... it's just that I don't believe that Dougie is an especially bad recruiter of the kind of player we will need to get out of the championship..

he has other faults - but it doesn't mean that he has to be a failure at everything!

tomorrow you'll be telling us that he's crap in bed and can't make a decent boiled egg!

you've pretty much sucked at setting out a case for dougie being crap at recruiting, that's all! if your little list of players was the substance of your case - then it doesn't look to me like dougie's doing that badly at recruitment given our circumstances and position. I think he gets recruitment right a lot more often than he gets it wrong...

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. That little list is just off the top of my head as I'm at work. My case sucks? Yeah OK, we don't need to be more focused when recruiting as we still have cash to burn? Give your head a shake.

[BWFC_Insane]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. That little list is just off the top of my head as I'm at work. My case sucks? Yeah OK, we don't need to be more focused when recruiting as we still have cash to burn? Give your head a shake.

Nobody is saying we don't have to be more focussed. But nobody will have a perfect recruitment record. And the balance is surely in Dougie's favour?

[Prufrock]

HADDOCK

[StaffsTrotter]

yep and whats the outcome of all this wheeling and dealing and re-setting of fans expectations - seems to me we are establishing our place as a lower mid table championship team playing a pretty turgid style of football

[thebish]

yep and whats the outcome of all this wheeling and dealing and re-setting of fans expectations - seems to me we are establishing our place as a lower mid table championship team playing a pretty turgid style of football

hmmm... IIRC - many of our most successful years involved a large degree of turgidity!

[BWFC_Insane]

yep and whats the outcome of all this wheeling and dealing and re-setting of fans expectations - seems to me we are establishing our place as a lower mid table championship team playing a pretty turgid style of football

The outcome is unknown, but the driver is to try and ensure the club runs within it's means. As in it stops spending tens of millions more every year than it can afford.....

[thebish]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. That little list is just off the top of my head as I'm at work. My case sucks? Yeah OK, we don't need to be more focused when recruiting as we still have cash to burn? Give your head a shake.

I have shaken my head - thanks!

it still seems to me - even after a shaking - that however "focused" you want us to be - dougie's recruitment record is fairly decent - and will probably continue to be so... I'm not sure what you mean by being more "focused" in this context or how that would somehow magically guarantee that the normal failure rate for transfer transactions was suddenly overcome... care to explain?

[Enoch]

Why has no one put Joe Mason on their list?

I'd have thought he fitted well enough on both!

[bobo the clown]

Why has no one put Joe Mason on their list?

I'd have thought he fitted well enough on both!

I did, previous page.

You just ignore me !!!

I've accepted throughout that he seems to have an eye for a player .... of a particular type & level at least. That's why I can't fathom out the thing he has about Trotter .... nor the first incarnation of Mason.

His Hutton, Danns, Juke, Dawson etc. record is good. McNaughton too. These players are out there.

What is odd is his then (lack of) use of players he's chased .... Moritz, Cravies, Beckford come to mind. He was almost over loyal with Baptiste, who I still think was a good signing but hasn't somehow worked out .... which us why I think he went over the top when he finally felt let down by him). Tierney was a positive step.

He maybe should be Chief Scout.

[StaffsTrotter]

yep and whats the outcome of all this wheeling and dealing and re-setting of fans expectations - seems to me we are establishing our place as a lower mid table championship team playing a pretty turgid style of football

hmmm... IIRC - many of our most successful years involved a large degree of turgidity!

Really. Trying to not be too misty eyed, but I'd say only a period during megsons time, matched what we are currently witnessing in terms of the default nature of its turgidity.

[Bruce Rioja]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. That little list is just off the top of my head as I'm at work. My case sucks? Yeah OK, we don't need to be more focused when recruiting as we still have cash to burn? Give your head a shake.

I have shaken my head - thanks!

it still seems to me - even after a shaking - that however "focused" you want us to be - dougie's recruitment record is fairly decent - and will probably continue to be so... I'm not sure what you mean by being more "focused" in this context or how that would somehow magically guarantee that the normal failure rate for transfer transactions was suddenly overcome... care to explain?

No, no. Let's, how did you put it, fish in turd hoping to unearth the odd gem? Brilliant.

[thebish]

yep and whats the outcome of all this wheeling and dealing and re-setting of fans expectations - seems to me we are establishing our place as a lower mid table championship team playing a pretty turgid style of football

hmmm... IIRC - many of our most successful years involved a large degree of turgidity!

Really. Trying to not be too misty eyed, but I'd say only a period during megsons time, matched what we are currently witnessing in terms of the default nature of its turgidity.

did you miss the allardyce years?? it wasn't all JJ and Youri!

[thebish]

Well we'll have to agree to disagree. That little list is just off the top of my head as I'm at work. My case sucks? Yeah OK, we don't need to be more focused when recruiting as we still have cash to burn? Give your head a shake.

I have shaken my head - thanks!

it still seems to me - even after a shaking - that however "focused" you want us to be - dougie's recruitment record is fairly decent - and will probably continue to be so... I'm not sure what you mean by being more "focused" in this context or how that would somehow magically guarantee that the normal failure rate for transfer transactions was suddenly overcome... care to explain?

No, no. Let's, how did you put it, fish in turd hoping to unearth the odd gem? Brilliant.

fishing in turd wasn't a suggestion - it was simply a description of the reality we face. that's the "given" - it's where we are.

Where are you suggesting we go shopping for players other than the bargain basement? we have no cash - didn't you notice?? The reality of the situation is that we are not shopping for the Gareth Bales of this world - we're in Aldi, not Waitrose... there's good stuff to be had from Aldi - as you and I both know - but it takes some unearthing from amongst the crud... i don't think Dougie's doing a bad job at unearthing some good stuff...