Gartside out

[BWFC_Insane]

By giving him some of the £40 million Megson ended up getting. I understand that Allardyce probably wanted a lot of money, and if Megson had stabilized us at 13th place on the type of budget Coyle and Allardyce had access to then I could understand letting Allardyce leave. However, we plunged down the table even though Megson was spending unheard of amounts on transfers and the wage bill was exploding.

Jeesus. What a load of utter bollocks.

Allardyce wanted to leave the season before after not getting the England job and was persuaded to stay and give it one more shot and was given 10M quid to spend on Anelka, our record signing at the time and Meite along with a couple of others.

He then lost interest halfway through the season and had his heart set on leaving. What were they meant to do? Give him another 10M? Look at the bloody accounts. We had an ageing squad and Allardyce knew that he'd done as much as he could do. And wanted a "top 4" job. He had assets he could have sold if he wanted to raise extra cash to try and rebuild. There was money available just not the amounts you'd need to get into the top 4.

Gartside has worked wonders for this club and anyone who can't see that really does not deserve to enjoy football of any type or sort.

Stick to baseball.

[Worthy4England]

Gartside has worked wonders for this club and anyone who can't see that really does not deserve to enjoy football of any type or sort.

So that's why he appointed Megson - to show us what an unappreciative lot we are.

Agree with your general points. We never get far away from the fact that apart from Eddie Davies bankrolling this particular adventure, we are still punching way above our weight, by just retaining our Premiership status.

[H. Pedersen]

Allardyce wanted to leave the season before after not getting the England job and was persuaded to stay and give it one more shot and was given 10M quid to spend on Anelka, our record signing at the time and Meite along with a couple of others.

He then lost interest halfway through the season and had his heart set on leaving. What were they meant to do? Give him another 10M? Look at the bloody accounts. We had an ageing squad and Allardyce knew that he'd done as much as he could do. And wanted a "top 4" job. He had assets he could have sold if he wanted to raise extra cash to try and rebuild. There was money available just not the amounts you'd need to get into the top 4.

Why don't you look at the recent "bloody accounts?" You may find that our debt has increased, despite stiffing Allardyce in January '07. Would it have made any difference if we gave Allardyce the 10 million in January '07 versus giving more than that to Megson a few years later? OK, there's interest, but I doubt those payments would come anywhere close to the amount of prize/wage/transfer money Megson's ineptitude cost us.

[thebish]

Allardyce wanted to leave the season before after not getting the England job and was persuaded to stay and give it one more shot and was given 10M quid to spend on Anelka, our record signing at the time and Meite along with a couple of others.

He then lost interest halfway through the season and had his heart set on leaving. What were they meant to do? Give him another 10M? Look at the bloody accounts. We had an ageing squad and Allardyce knew that he'd done as much as he could do. And wanted a "top 4" job. He had assets he could have sold if he wanted to raise extra cash to try and rebuild. There was money available just not the amounts you'd need to get into the top 4.

Why don't you look at the recent "bloody accounts?" You may find that our debt has increased, despite stiffing Allardyce in January '07. Would it have made any difference if we gave Allardyce the 10 million in January '07 versus giving more than that to Megson a few years later? OK, there's interest, but I doubt those payments would come anywhere close to the amount of prize/wage/transfer money Megson's ineptitude cost us.

but why give millions of spends to a manager who has made it abundantly clear he wants to be elsewhere? I don't understand - how would that be evidence of Gartside doing a good job?

[BWFC_Insane]

Allardyce wanted to leave the season before after not getting the England job and was persuaded to stay and give it one more shot and was given 10M quid to spend on Anelka, our record signing at the time and Meite along with a couple of others.

He then lost interest halfway through the season and had his heart set on leaving. What were they meant to do? Give him another 10M? Look at the bloody accounts. We had an ageing squad and Allardyce knew that he'd done as much as he could do. And wanted a "top 4" job. He had assets he could have sold if he wanted to raise extra cash to try and rebuild. There was money available just not the amounts you'd need to get into the top 4.

Why don't you look at the recent "bloody accounts?" You may find that our debt has increased, despite stiffing Allardyce in January '07. Would it have made any difference if we gave Allardyce the 10 million in January '07 versus giving more than that to Megson a few years later? OK, there's interest, but I doubt those payments would come anywhere close to the amount of prize/wage/transfer money Megson's ineptitude cost us.

Perhaps Uncle Eddie didn't want to give Allardyce anymore money? Have you thought about that. Ultimately the managers budget is not a decision of Gartside but one of Eddie Davies.

Why possibly would he not fancy giving Allardyce more money? I'll leave that up to you.

But what I will say is with Megson we sold our best player and he had to be given money otherwise we were going to go down having released/sold the majority of the squad. So I guess Eddie had a decision there, give Megson money to spend or see us go down.

[Prufrock]

As said the last time this horseshit came up, HP has hit on the main reason Gartside is a sh*tc*nt. He isn't psychic. That and the Carling Cup final, which he probably does take quite a lot of actual responsibilty. In return, Allardyce, Coyle, and ten years of prem football. Tough debate.

[Worthy4England]

As said the last time this horseshit came up, HP has hit on the main reason Gartside is a sh*tc*nt. He isn't psychic. That and the Carling Cup final, which he probably does take quite a lot of actual responsibilty. In return, Allardyce, Coyle, and ten years of prem football. Tough debate.

Indeed - the grass could be greener, but only if you've smoked too much of it.

[norm the jedi]

As said the last time this horseshit came up, HP has hit on the main reason Gartside is a sh*tc*nt. He isn't psychic. That and the Carling Cup final, which he probably does take quite a lot of actual responsibility. In return, Allardyce, Coyle, and ten years of prem football. Tough debate.

nail head, hammer interface

p'raps we could get the two yanks from Liverpool... proper result... So much better than a man with track record of giving a shit about the club.. He must love it , the amount of mongalong sh1te he has to take every time there's a surprise announcement that a club averaging 17,000 on can't compete with teams selling 60,000 tickets a week and 100,000 shirts a year without selling a few players..

it is what it is. 10 years and counting 50% good managers and a very long way from Wrexham.. PG may be a knob but he'll do for me based on his record..

[Hoboh]

Am I missing another Megson bashing thread here? Gimme an hour and I'll be back

[norm the jedi]

Am I missing another Megson bashing thread here? Gimme an hour and I'll be back

I'll even forgive him for Megson..

[H. Pedersen]

As said the last time this horseshit came up, HP has hit on the main reason Gartside is a sh*tc*nt. He isn't psychic.

Right. Because only a psychic would know that Gary Megson is a bad manager . . . too bad he didn't consult any of the thousands of psychics from Nottingham Forest who could have told him that.

There are simply a ton of contradictions here. People say Gary Megson wasn't a bad choice because he beat the drop with a poor team . . . well why was it a poor team? Because it contained the likes of Cid, Samuel, Wilhelmsson, Alonso, Braaten, and Helguson? Yeah, Gartside bears no responsibility for that.

I'm not discounting the good things that Gartside has done for the club, but after Allardyce left he put his ego ahead of BWFC and it has cost us a lot of money. His stubborn appointment of Megson and refusal to sack him until £40 million had been spent may yet cost us everything.

[Harry Genshaw]

I'll never forgive him for the carling cup fiasco and the way it was handled. Megson was an absolute disaster in that he arrived with a shit record, left us under a huge cloud and cost us in compensation terms alone more than it cost to buy Anelka but...

He's presided over us being in the Prem & staying in the Prem for 10 years. The whys & wherefores dont matter - look at the outcome.

[Armchair Wanderer]

I'm happy with the situation as it is at the moment. Everyone makes mistakes and it's better to have the wrong manager for a couple of years than have a pantomime like at Newcastle/Liverpool/Portsmouth/West Ham etc.

In terms of the debt, thats just a question of managers buying the wrong players.

What might be starting to happed is that clubs will pay a fee for and give a long contract to a starting XI player, but everyone else will be on a one-year deal and hop around the leagues on bosmans. It's becoming the only affordable way to have a squad these days. If you get a player on a free that needs to get a new contract at the end of the season.. every season.. then they're going to try their best when they get on the pitch.

[bw@bw]

By giving him some of the £40 million Megson ended up getting. I understand that Allardyce probably wanted a lot of money, and if Megson had stabilized us at 13th place on the type of budget Coyle and Allardyce had access to then I could understand letting Allardyce leave. However, we plunged down the table even though Megson was spending unheard of amounts on transfers and the wage bill was exploding.

Jeesus. What a load of utter bollocks.

Allardyce wanted to leave the season before after not getting the England job and was persuaded to stay and give it one more shot and was given 10M quid to spend on Anelka, our record signing at the time and Meite along with a couple of others.

He then lost interest halfway through the season and had his heart set on leaving. What were they meant to do? Give him another 10M? Look at the bloody accounts. We had an ageing squad and Allardyce knew that he'd done as much as he could do. And wanted a "top 4" job. He had assets he could have sold if he wanted to raise extra cash to try and rebuild. There was money available just not the amounts you'd need to get into the top 4.

Gartside has worked wonders for this club and anyone who can't see that really does not deserve to enjoy football of any type or sort.

Stick to baseball.

For once not bollocks at all.
It all came to a head in the January - when we were in competition for a champs league place.
Allrdyce wanted 1 or2 signings - almost certainly no more than £10m to give the CL a real shot with a full squad.
PG and ED declined, and the rest is history.
Allardyce lost interest - moved on etc

£10m then would have saved £40-50m since

[thebish]

As said the last time this horseshit came up, HP has hit on the main reason Gartside is a sh*tc*nt. He isn't psychic.

Right. Because only a psychic would know that Gary Megson is a bad manager . . . too bad he didn't consult any of the thousands of psychics from Nottingham Forest who could have told him that.

There are simply a ton of contradictions here. People say Gary Megson wasn't a bad choice because he beat the drop with a poor team . . . well why was it a poor team? Because it contained the likes of Cid, Samuel, Wilhelmsson, Alonso, Braaten, and Helguson? Yeah, Gartside bears no responsibility for that.

I'm not discounting the good things that Gartside has done for the club, but after Allardyce left he put his ego ahead of BWFC and it has cost us a lot of money. His stubborn appointment of Megson and refusal to sack him until £40 million had been spent may yet cost us everything.

why would giving shedloads of money to wantaway Allardyce have been a good move? I am intrigued....

bear in mind:

a) what allardyce did with his millions a couple of months later at Newcastle.
b) that allardyce clearly did not want to be at Bolton - he made it abundantly clear he wanted away.

[Worthy4England]

By giving him some of the £40 million Megson ended up getting. I understand that Allardyce probably wanted a lot of money, and if Megson had stabilized us at 13th place on the type of budget Coyle and Allardyce had access to then I could understand letting Allardyce leave. However, we plunged down the table even though Megson was spending unheard of amounts on transfers and the wage bill was exploding.

Jeesus. What a load of utter bollocks.

Allardyce wanted to leave the season before after not getting the England job and was persuaded to stay and give it one more shot and was given 10M quid to spend on Anelka, our record signing at the time and Meite along with a couple of others.

He then lost interest halfway through the season and had his heart set on leaving. What were they meant to do? Give him another 10M? Look at the bloody accounts. We had an ageing squad and Allardyce knew that he'd done as much as he could do. And wanted a "top 4" job. He had assets he could have sold if he wanted to raise extra cash to try and rebuild. There was money available just not the amounts you'd need to get into the top 4.

Gartside has worked wonders for this club and anyone who can't see that really does not deserve to enjoy football of any type or sort.

Stick to baseball.

For once not bollocks at all.
It all came to a head in the January - when we were in competition for a champs league place.
Allrdyce wanted 1 or2 signings - almost certainly no more than £10m to give the CL a real shot with a full squad.
PG and ED declined, and the rest is history.
Allardyce lost interest - moved on etc

£10m then would have saved £40-50m since

Not sure about that - people like Campo, Stelios, Speed, Cid etc. would still have needed replacing...

[H. Pedersen]

why would giving shedloads of money to wantaway Allardyce have been a good move? I am intrigued....

bear in mind:

a) what allardyce did with his millions a couple of months later at Newcastle.

Not exactly comparable, as he was trying to build a team in his image from scratch at Newcastle. I don't think he would have bought the same players. That being said, I hate defending what Allardyce did at Newcastle, so you suck.

b) that allardyce clearly did not want to be at Bolton - he made it abundantly clear he wanted away.

Well according to BWFCI, Allardyce actually wanted away in the Summer of 2006, but he still managed to pull off a huge coup with Anelka. So I'm not sure I would bet against Allardyce.

[Lord Kangana]

Its all whys and wherefores anyway, though I tend to err to the side of bw@bw's point of view.

But equally despite having Megson, we've had a decade in the Prem, a couple of Euro trips, a play off final, a cup final, 4 top 8 finishes, some outstanding world-stage level footballers, and now some outstanding football from Coyle. I don't necessarily buy into the punching above our weight argument, our history is mostly about punching above our weight, so perhaps thats just our weight. Equally, you have to have capable people at your club to punch your weight. Gartside is most certainly competent.

So, with all things considered, unless he drops a reet bollock before he inevitably moves on, you have to judge his tenure a success. Same as Allardyce really. And hopefully Coyle will join that pantheon of modern legends. Fingers trebly crossed.

[William the White]

Its all whys and wherefores anyway, though I tend to err to the side of bw@bw's point of view.

But equally despite having Megson, we've had a decade in the Prem, a couple of Euro trips, a play off final, a cup final, 4 top 8 finishes, some outstanding world-stage level footballers, and now some outstanding football from Coyle. I don't necessarily buy into the punching above our weight argument, our history is mostly about punching above our weight, so perhaps thats just our weight. Equally, you have to have capable people at your club to punch your weight. Gartside is most certainly competent.

So, with all things considered, unless he drops a reet bollock before he inevitably moves on, you have to judge his tenure a success. Same as Allardyce really. And hopefully Coyle will join that pantheon of modern legends. Fingers trebly crossed.

Agree with this in many ways. I do think, though, the acid test for a chairman is to ensure the future for his/her club by sound financial practice.

I'm not saying Gartside has failed here - but his success is currently under serious question. You haven't been a good chairman if the next one has to start by fighting fires...

[Bruce Rioja]

why would giving shedloads of money to wantaway Allardyce have been a good move? I am intrigued....

bear in mind:

a) what allardyce did with his millions a couple of months later at Newcastle.

Not exactly comparable, as he was trying to build a team in his image from scratch at Newcastle. I don't think he would have bought the same players.

And you, Sir, are a busted flush and I claim my £5. Had Allardyce had more money from us then they are exactly the same players that he'd have gone out to buy. His Newcastle side were just a more expensive version of the one that he left at our place.