How many points will it take to stay up?

[CrazyHorse]

“The one thing in [Bolton’s] favour is that, apart from the disappointing BWFCi, the supporters haven’t turned.

[Bruce Rioja]

Was he playing with his wedding ring and looking at the floor when he gave the interview, do you reckon?

[BWFC_Insane]

'tis on TalkSport - so it must be true,

and 'tis Colin Todd - so must be doubly true!

Former Bolton Wanderers boss Colin Todd has told talkSPORT that the club ARE in crisis – but he insists manager Owen Coyle can save them from relegation.

The Trotters have made a woeful start to their Premier League campaign, losing 14 out of their 20 games so far this season, conceding 43 goals along the way.

And Todd, who managed the Lancashire outfit from 1995-1999, feels that despite the impending loss of defender Gary Cahill to Chelsea, the club can survive what looks to be a gruelling relegation battle.

He told the Weekend Sports Breakfast: “I was at Bolton when [Owen Coyle] was a player and his enthusiasm is tremendous but this is a new crisis, it is a little bit of a crisis, but in management you have to deal with it. Whatever is thrown at you, you have to deal with it in the best possible way.

“The one thing in [Bolton’s] favour is that, apart from the disappointing BWFCi, the supporters haven’t turned. They’ve had a very disappointing season but if you look at some of the other clubs, especially Blackburn, supporters have turned [against the club] and that doesn’t help the players.

“The crowd are right behind them and they feel they have a good chance of escaping but it’s a tall order. There are a lot of clubs in that battle for survival and I use the word survival because that’s what it is, it means such a lot.

“I think credit to Owen, he’s kept going, kept positive and he’s continued to try to play in the right manner that he has done since he’s been at Bolton.

“The players are behind him which is another good thing. It’s a new experience for him but I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he will come through and the club will survive.”

Todd, the mere mention of his name makes me angry....

And I'd like to know, "by what measure the supporters haven't turned"?

They're not chanting "Coyle out" but I'm willing to bet that plenty are unhappy with him. Sitting in the ESL paints a different picture to this forum.

As does looking at all the other BWFC forums....

[Hoboh]

“The crowd are right behind them and they feel they have a good chance of escaping but it’s a tall order"

Clearly deluded Todd is most people I know are resigning theirselves to relegation and tbh are so pissed off with Coyles destruction of the team spirit and fight they are passed caring

[Worthy4England]

Current Bolton Wanderers supporter Worthy4England has told TalkSPORT, the the Club AREN'T in crisis but are unlikely to be saved by the current Manager Owen Coyle.

The Trotters have recently picked up their performances and have only lost 2 of their last 7 games, after Coyle's random selections and formation choices, reaped dividends at Ewok Park back in December, conceding less than two goals per game over the same period.

And Worthy, who never managed the Wanderers, but has been watching during a career spanning nearly 40 years and having seen Managers of all shades of shite come and go, feels that with no impending departure of the current manager, the chances of winning the Premiership trophy might be slipping away, but even a Manager with some basic clue, could start to rocket the Wanderer's up the League.

He told the Sports Breakfast, "I was at Bolton, when Coyle was a player and we had that shower of shite, Colin Todd managing. I can say that neither of them had a real clue about how to manage a football Club, and at the end of the day, enthusiastic, happy-clappy shite, is still shite.

"The one thing in [Bolton's] favour is that because Coyle was an ex-player, the fans are too fecking dense to notice or care whether he takes the Club down or not. Even them six-fingered, Dingle bastards down the road have twigged that Steve Kean's a bit shit and the Pie Munching bastards next door will just go back to watching Rugby League. But not Bolton fans. They'll probably notice when they're playing regular League Games against Fleetwood Town and Darren Pratley only looks marginally outclassed.

I think it's a measure of the man [Coyle], that he's had the brass neck to employ all his clueless bastard mates too, and repeatedly stick to his "TOP SECRET CHALLENGE FOR THE TITLE" plan, referred to in many interviews as "The Board and I know what I'm trying to do here", even some people that watch on the internet haven't got a fecking clue what it is, and are starting to question whether such an audacious plan will still bring the Premiership to the Reebok.

The players that he recently signed and who had no career to talk of, such as Robbie Blake and Darren Pratley are right behind the Manager, with Pratley commenting in a recent fictitious interview "It's like money for old rope, me Mum would be proud.

In recent history, it's all a bit new to Wanderer's fans to be propping up the Division for so long without ever looking like improving and having no impending change of Manager. But unfortunately Owen does have recent experience of this from when he accidently had a good Premiership start with Burnely, before they started plummeting down the league at a rate of knots, at which point he jumped ship.

[Montreal Wanderer]

A month ago there was a lot of doom and gloom in this thread. We were domed and dooooomed. We had our purple patch of ManU, Liverpool and Arsenal coming up and it was suggested when it was over we would be mired too deep to ever recover. At the time I felt this was perhaps an over-reaction. So I wrote the following:

When we are playing ManU, Liverpool and the Arse, Wolves have Spurs (a), Villa (who hate them) and Liverpool. I don't think they'll be running away from us by too much. QPR have Villa and the Toon (both away) and home to Wigan, so only have one easy fixture. Too early to panic yet.

Revisiting this now the purple patch has passed, we are now out of the relegation zone and still one point behind QPR. It is true things didn't go quite the way I anticipated - QPR did better than I expected and so did we. Well, QPR play Wolves next and I'm hoping for a draw.

[ChrisC]

A month ago there was a lot of doom and gloom in this thread. We were domed and dooooomed. We had our purple patch of ManU, Liverpool and Arsenal coming up and it was suggested when it was over we would be mired too deep to ever recover. At the time I felt this was perhaps an over-reaction. So I wrote the following:

When we are playing ManU, Liverpool and the Arse, Wolves have Spurs (a), Villa (who hate them) and Liverpool. I don't think they'll be running away from us by too much. QPR have Villa and the Toon (both away) and home to Wigan, so only have one easy fixture. Too early to panic yet.

Revisiting this now the purple patch has passed, we are now out of the relegation zone and still one point behind QPR. It is true things didn't go quite the way I anticipated - QPR did better than I expected and so did we. Well, QPR play Wolves next and I'm hoping for a draw.

I think I'd rather QPR won that one TBH.. I'd rather wolves carried on struggling down in the bottom 3 with pressure mounting and the fans calling for big Micks head.. If wolves lose and we draw we will be 3 points clear of the bottom 3 and 5 points clear if we win.

[Prufrock]

Aye, QPR win for me too. Let's concentrate on finishing above three teams before we start on four.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

That's the short-term sensible answer. Tempting, though, for both clubs to lose two points.

Truth be told, I think QPR will be safe; Hughes will make them hard to beat.

[Montreal Wanderer]

That's the short-term sensible answer. Tempting, though, for both clubs to lose two points.

Truth be told, I think QPR will be safe; Hughes will make them hard to beat.

Every game either two or three points are given out. When two rivals are involved I would rather it was two. Simple as that. I am still worried that Rovers may catch us (depending on which team turns up to their games). I would like in a month to have the bottom three, QPR and WBA in the mix (and below us). I do think QPR will likely be safe but it is all wide open now.

[Jakerbeef]

Depending particularly on how Blackburn and QPR do, it'll take close to 40 pts. I think it might be a very high total this year, unfortunately.

[Salford Trotter]

I've just been looking at Blackburn's remaining fixtures and I can't them getting anymore than 32 points which i think will guarantee relegation. QPR, however, will have enough about them to pull themselves away from the bottom. I still believe a team or two will "do a Burnley" in the second half of the season.

[bobo the clown]

I've just been looking at Blackburn's remaining fixtures and I can't them getting anymore than 32 points which i think will guarantee relegation. QPR, however, will have enough about them to pull themselves away from the bottom. I still believe a team or two will "do a Burnley" in the second half of the season.

Wiggin are fairly close to "dead in the water". Jackburn are imploding as a club .... though to be honest they've been terribly unlucky on the pitch a time or two. Wolves are in a serious cris and yes, I also always look for a comfortable looking club to crumble, often a newly promoted one.

We are, of course, still deep in all this but we do have an opportunity to squeeze away from the botttom group.

[officer_dibble]

That's the short-term sensible answer. Tempting, though, for both clubs to lose two points.

Truth be told, I think QPR will be safe; Hughes will make them hard to beat.

Me too - they have made some excellent signings we couldnt dream of, like onooooohaaarrr.

There is the chance Swansea or Fulham maybe could be dragged in? But primarily looking at the two sets of inbreds and wolves to finish above.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Depending particularly on how Blackburn and QPR do, it'll take close to 40 pts.

It won't. As I've said before, it almost never does.

[Lord Kangana]

How vey Bolton to have been involved in a relegation scrap in the only two seasons that required >40 points to stay up.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

I've just been looking at Blackburn's remaining fixtures and I can't them getting anymore than 32 points which i think will guarantee relegation. QPR, however, will have enough about them to pull themselves away from the bottom. I still believe a team or two will "do a Burnley" in the second half of the season.

I reckon 31 for the dingles having done the BBC score predictor thing.The good news is we finish 11th on 44 pts and city pip united by 2 pts.Perfect season really though I could be biased.

We have a lot of winnable home games so if we hit some level of consistency at the bok we can be comfortably safe(enough to focus on our trips to wembley )

[Turkish Trotter]

I think the bar has moved now.
All 5 teams will be lucky to get anywhere near 40 points.
I think record low point total will stay up this year.

[Athers]

21 points x (38/25) = 32...

No reason to think anyone will start picking up more points than they have previously. QPR had the best transfer window but their run in is awful.

[Barr Hill]

We have a lot of winnable home games so if we hit some level of consistency at the bok we can be comfortably safe(enough to focus on our trips to wembley )

I thought Wigan was a winnable game!!!!!!!!!!!!