Mills & Ream. Or, "buy a full-back, quick!"

[boltonboris]

And how do you expect a player to be "ready" (what does that even mean?) without giving the lad some feckin' experience??

[BWFC_Insane]

Aye West Ham played about 8 at once. We don't want to do that, just give them a chance when we're short in their position!

And Baptistery mainly played at CB for Blackpool, where he looked good. The way it sounded at the time to me was that he fancied himself as a full back, and that was part of the deal whether explicit, or much more likely, not.

But being short in a position doesn't mean it is the right thing to throw a kid in. It simply comes down to whether they are a) ready and b) good enough to make the step up at this stage.

Jesus fvckin Christ.

If they're not ready to oust Zat shitting Knight at this age, they'll never be.

Should we just continue to use the same shocking defenders, playing hopelessly out of position? Ream is a centre back playing at full back, Baptiste is a centre back playing at full back. Knight isn't fit to be anywhere near the squad. Yet you plod along with the shit you spout above because you think the manager is still doing the right thing. NOW is the time for change. Wether that be personnel, or manager. It cannot stay how it is. Which would you prefer? A 19 year old coming in to oust the worst player in the division, or the manager being sacked.. Because that's they way it's going

Easy to throw stuff like that around. But doesn't mean that any of the kids we have are actually better than what we're playing in the first team. I've only read a few reports on White from those that watch the ressies, but If I remember they basically said "he's a way off yet". Were he knocking on the door and still not being picked then fine. But as far as I know he hasn't exactly looked stellar yet. If someone has seen him play a few times and thinks differently then fine.

As for your point re experience...I agree, I suspect it is why we are trying to loan out several youngsters to lower division sides to give them said experience.

[boltonboris]

Aye West Ham played about 8 at once. We don't want to do that, just give them a chance when we're short in their position!

And Baptistery mainly played at CB for Blackpool, where he looked good. The way it sounded at the time to me was that he fancied himself as a full back, and that was part of the deal whether explicit, or much more likely, not.

But being short in a position doesn't mean it is the right thing to throw a kid in. It simply comes down to whether they are a) ready and b) good enough to make the step up at this stage.

Jesus fvckin Christ.

If they're not ready to oust Zat shitting Knight at this age, they'll never be.

Should we just continue to use the same shocking defenders, playing hopelessly out of position? Ream is a centre back playing at full back, Baptiste is a centre back playing at full back. Knight isn't fit to be anywhere near the squad. Yet you plod along with the shit you spout above because you think the manager is still doing the right thing. NOW is the time for change. Wether that be personnel, or manager. It cannot stay how it is. Which would you prefer? A 19 year old coming in to oust the worst player in the division, or the manager being sacked.. Because that's they way it's going

Easy to throw stuff like that around. But doesn't mean that any of the kids we have are actually better than what we're playing in the first team. I've only read a few reports on White from those that watch the ressies, but If I remember they basically said "he's a way off yet". Were he knocking on the door and still not being picked then fine. But as far as I know he hasn't exactly looked stellar yet. If someone has seen him play a few times and thinks differently then fine.

As for your point re experience...I agree, I suspect it is why we are trying to loan out several youngsters to lower division sides to give them said experience.

But how will we ever know? Saturday is a cup game. Okay, a nice distraction, but surely a time to try something new..

[Enoch]

It seems so obvious that we require new personnel at the back, yet they don't arrive.

Is it possible that Freedman doesn't see this and chooses to plough his furrow?

Or is it an indication of how deep a hole we're in and there isn't a suitable deal to be struck that's acceptable to the accountants?

Tierney has been out four months to date, how much longer before he's likely to be available? Kellet apparently injured, anyone know time scale for him?

In the short term a loaned left back looks priority to me. Longer term, I think we need a centre half or two.

[boltonboris]

He did sign McNaughton who was/is wanted back at his Premier League club. I'm sure he's trying for one and we don't know (how it should be!). But it sill needs addressing internally

[Norpig]

If he does buy anyone he will spend a couple of months in the development squad until DF in his usual cautious manner will study the players statistical read out before deciding he is ready for a place on the subs bench.

[Enoch]

He did sign McNaughton who was/is wanted back at his Premier League club. I'm sure he's trying for one and we don't know (how it should be!). But it sill needs addressing internally

I can't disagree with that, though whether it's doable in the short term, I have some doubts.

[CAPSLOCK]

Kellet apparently injured, anyone know time scale for him?

I think he was on the bench for the reserves this week

He's been out ten weeks and feels he's missed a big chance

He should've gone out to Chester with the others but got injured

[Enoch]

That's rough, a big chance indeed.

[jaffka]

Shame for the lad. Obviously feels he is ready! As will all of them in the reserves, wanting a crack at the big time.

[Prufrock]

Aye West Ham played about 8 at once. We don't want to do that, just give them a chance when we're short in their position!

And Baptistery mainly played at CB for Blackpool, where he looked good. The way it sounded at the time to me was that he fancied himself as a full back, and that was part of the deal whether explicit, or much more likely, not.

But being short in a position doesn't mean it is the right thing to throw a kid in. It simply comes down to whether they are a) ready and b) good enough to make the step up at this stage.

Jesus fvckin Christ.

If they're not ready to oust Zat shitting Knight at this age, they'll never be.

Should we just continue to use the same shocking defenders, playing hopelessly out of position? Ream is a centre back playing at full back, Baptiste is a centre back playing at full back. Knight isn't fit to be anywhere near the squad. Yet you plod along with the shit you spout above because you think the manager is still doing the right thing. NOW is the time for change. Wether that be personnel, or manager. It cannot stay how it is. Which would you prefer? A 19 year old coming in to oust the worst player in the division, or the manager being sacked.. Because that's they way it's going

Pre-fecking-cisely. They might be worse? We just lost 7-1, I'll take that chance rather than stick! Tbf I didn't know Kellett was supposedly injured, and he did address the Tierney think straight away initially. What he hasn't done is address the follow-up problem of McNaughton going back. Early doors proved beyond doubt that two lumbering centre halves is a recipe for disaster. One of Ream or Baptiste needs to go CB and we need another full back. At the very fecking least. We need more too, coz that still involves picking Ream.

[bobo the clown]

White was playing last season for Sheff Wed.

Incorrect. He never played for Wednesday's first team.

Facts, facts, facts.

Feck off with yer facts.

I want a rant ... not facts.

[LeverEnd]

Kellet apparently injured, anyone know time scale for him?

I think he was on the bench for the reserves this week

He's been out ten weeks and feels he's missed a big chance

He should've gone out to Chester with the others but got injured

A shame indeed. Do you think he'd have got a start though? I mean DF could move Bap to LB again and try White at RB but hasn't.

[Enoch]

As someone previously pointed out, Baptiste didn't excel at left back. Not sure Kellet and White are the same deal either.

We need the loan of a decent left back me thinks.

[boltonboris]

As someone previously pointed out, Baptiste didn't excel at left back. Not sure Kellet and White are the same deal either.

We need the loan of a decent left back me thinks.

Hmm. I thought he did okay and it coincided with an 8 game unbeaten run.

[LeverEnd]

As someone previously pointed out, Baptiste didn't excel at left back. Not sure Kellet and White are the same deal either.

We need the loan of a decent left back me thinks.

For sure, I was just wondering what might happen if we can't get anyone, or end up with another Butterfield. I still don't understand why Bap played on the left instead of McN, seems it would have been better the other way round.

[Enoch]

I thought he did okay and it coincided with an 8 game unbeaten run.

Can't argue with the unbeaten run, but he certainly looks more assured to me on the right. Just now I would prefer a solid loan to a very raw White. Only watched him once mind, might have been a below par performance.

Of course, that all depends on an alternative being available. I do think it's preferable, from what we have, that Ream returns to the centre, whoever fills the full back role.

[thebish]

I thought he did okay and it coincided with an 8 game unbeaten run.

Can't argue with the unbeaten run, but he certainly looks more assured to me on the right. Just now I would prefer a solid loan to a very raw White. Only watched him once mind, might have been a below par performance.

Of course, that all depends on an alternative being available. I do think it's preferable, from what we have, that Ream returns to the centre, whoever fills the full back role.

he didn't look very assured out on the right against Leicester...

[Enoch]

he didn't look very assured out on the right against Leicester...

I didn't see the Leicester game, though someone that did told me he had no answer to Dyer's pace. That's something he hopefully doesn't come up against very often.

[bobo the clown]

he didn't look very assured out on the right against Leicester...

I didn't see the Leicester game, though someone that did told me he had no answer to Dyer's pace. That's something he hopefully doesn't come up against very often.

So, a flexible defender who prefers full-back but is experienced in the middle ... is captain of a club doing reasonably well (in fits & starts), well rated by that club's fans and he is wanted by many clubs when he comes free.

He joins us and appears to be sluggish and easily exposed as a full back.

Where did this change of form come from then ?