Would you...

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The fact that managers/players/fans/owners/media etc etc think it is more important to finish 17th than win the cup, or to finish 4th is more important than anything else, other than finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd, tells me that football is broken. Football isn't about football, it is about money. If the Premiership and Champions League disappeared, the world and football in particular would be a much better place.

I couldn't give a toss is we get back in the Premiership again. All I want is for us to compete at whatever level we're at. We stopped doing that roughly around the time Sam left.

[BWFC_Insane]

If you say would you swap one FA Cup win in exchange for spending the following 25 years in the lower leagues. I think a lot would, but then wouldn't bother turning up for the resulting 25 years.....

You say that as though it is a bad thing - surely not turning up is a perfectly reasonable thing to do in today's "unchangeable" money-dominated football world?

The owners don't owe the fans anything, the fans don't owe the club anything...

That wasn't the point, I expect and hope to be watching for the next *however many years I'm on this earth for* and would prefer that to be as successful a time for the club as possible. I've watched us in every league and I'd do so again.

I don't subscribe to the theory that win a cup and nowt else matters after that. It is hard to articulate on here without sounding crass.

Do I want the FA cup to mean what it did in 4 or 5 decades ago? Absolutely.

But it doesn't and therefore I want Bolton to be successful in the actual world that exists not some imaginary dreamworld I'd prefer things to be like. Of course I'd love and FA cup win or any cup win. But I don't subscribe to the theory that is in the current football world the be all and end all.

We've had a tremendous period of success, something arguably unparalleled at this football club. 11 successive top flight seasons, European football for 2 years, draws at Bayern Munich etc. It was fantastic. I'm not happy with where we are now, but I kind of accept that football has its ups and downs.

I guess this whole argument cuts both ways. Our crowds have declined massively since our successful days in the premiership. So seemingly we have thousands who will not bother turning up when the club isn't successful. So one might argue they are acting like customers and not fans.

[William the White]

The fact that managers/players/fans/owners/media etc etc think it is more important to finish 17th than win the cup, or to finish 4th is more important than anything else, other than finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd, tells me that football is broken. Football isn't about football, it is about money. If the Premiership and Champions League disappeared, the world and football in particular would be a much better place.

I couldn't give a toss is we get back in the Premiership again. All I want is for us to compete at whatever level we're at. We stopped doing that roughly around the time Sam left.

No. We stopped doing that on April 17, 2011

[BWFC_Insane]

The fact that managers/players/fans/owners/media etc etc think it is more important to finish 17th than win the cup, or to finish 4th is more important than anything else, other than finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd, tells me that football is broken. Football isn't about football, it is about money. If the Premiership and Champions League disappeared, the world and football in particular would be a much better place.

I couldn't give a toss is we get back in the Premiership again. All I want is for us to compete at whatever level we're at. We stopped doing that roughly around the time Sam left.

No. We stopped doing that on April 17, 2011

I'd go with that. Megson had us competing at least. We beat Man UTD at home for the first time in decades. We got a draw at Bayern, became the first British team to win at Red Star Belgrade, beat Spurs and Citeh etc....

Coyle had us competing for that season before Holden's injury, we were 8th I think.

[Lord Kangana]

If that post isn't to sound as lop sided as it does, we were up at about 5th, and a game away from finishing 8th. But that's by the by.

Football being fickle and robbing us of such a talent as Holden is nothing new. The punishment for such a fine margin is now a chasm. It's crazy, if you're not a fan of one of the massive clubs. Which increasingly more people are. And more money heads more in one direction. And I think it started long before Big Sam left us.

[BWFC_Insane]

If that post isn't to sound as lop sided as it does, we were up at about 5th, and a game away from finishing 8th. But that's by the by.

Football being fickle and robbing us of such a talent as Holden is nothing new. The punishment for such a fine margin is now a chasm. It's crazy, if you're not a fan of one of the massive clubs. Which increasingly more people are. And more money heads more in one direction. And I think it started long before Big Sam left us.

Just checked, we were 7th when Holden got injured. 8 points off 5th place Spurs.

There was clearly more to the decline than Holden being injured. But it definitely seems to symbolise the start if if, or the semi final, depending how you look at it.

[a1]

Let a pillock like this run a football club or any other business?
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/111 ... ?ref=var_0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Seems it's right what they say about Gartside, he wants the limelight!

Dick!!!

just pretend its that trope of 'the daily mail making shit up' . then retweet this to your followers.

http://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/article/club ... 06612.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[KeyserSoze]

This is odd.

Reporter reported the court. So either reporter spiced it up a bit or gartside is undermining what he said in court? Idk. Too tired for this.

[LeverEnd]

I seem to remember you saying it about Portsmouth and possibly wigan.. I seem to remmeber thinking it was absolute bollocks.They way they've gotten behind the club is fantastic and Pompey's attendances are as high, if not higher than in their last premier league season..

They're in the history books and they're enjoying their football.

Wolves are another case in point. Heard the argument that we can't change manager because we might do a Wolves. Well they got relegated, then appointed a decent manager and have won the league. Whose fans have enjoyed this season more? Obviously we'd rather not go down but I'd rather take that risk than continue with mediocrity.
Portsmouth will come back up the leagues, and the fans that stuck by them will love it all the more for the bad times and deserve it. (That's even if you forget the FA Cup win)

[officer_dibble]

Haha, bolton news and bwfc falling out!

[LeverEnd]

Haha, bolton news and bwfc falling out!

I imagine PG thinks they should only report his side of it, the dick.
If they got a detail wrong and corrected it, big deal. In the context of how PG is making the club look it 's nothing.
I hope they do fall out, we might get some ore objective reporting.

[Mar]

Haha, bolton news and bwfc falling out!

I imagine PG thinks they should only report his side of it, the dick.
If they got a detail wrong and corrected it, big deal. In the context of how PG is making the club look it 's nothing.
I hope they do fall out, we might get some ore objective reporting.

They've been at arms length for a while now as far as i'm led to believe.

[Puskas]

Haha, bolton news and bwfc falling out!

I imagine PG thinks they should only report his side of it, the dick.
If they got a detail wrong and corrected it, big deal. In the context of how PG is making the club look it 's nothing.
I hope they do fall out, we might get some ore objective reporting.

They've been at arms length for a while now as far as i'm led to believe.

The B[M]N have issued a clarification.

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... _/?ref=mac" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's worth noting that "We must stress that there was no suggestion made to the court that the club itself was involved in any such improper activity or that there was anything improper about the club’s recruitment of a new manager. "

So anything Graeme Souness said after being interviewed by Curtis should be ignored.

Looking back, I wonder how Souness would have done here. Oh well.

[officer_dibble]

This is all getting very Leeds United...elusive owner, dodgy chairman, feud with local paper (which i think is generally a producer of tosh for the record)

Except we dont have 20,000 diehards/idiots willing to bail us out. :-/

[bwfcdan94]

The fact that managers/players/fans/owners/media etc etc think it is more important to finish 17th than win the cup, or to finish 4th is more important than anything else, other than finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd, tells me that football is broken. Football isn't about football, it is about money. If the Premiership and Champions League disappeared, the world and football in particular would be a much better place.

I couldn't give a toss is we get back in the Premiership again. All I want is for us to compete at whatever level we're at. We stopped doing that roughly around the time Sam left.

+1. While on such note I went to see my local non league (step 5) team paly last night and thoroughly enjoyed it especially given the players get about £30 a game and all went to local schools and live in he local area etc.

[Gary the Enfield]

The fact that managers/players/fans/owners/media etc etc think it is more important to finish 17th than win the cup, or to finish 4th is more important than anything else, other than finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd, tells me that football is broken. Football isn't about football, it is about money. If the Premiership and Champions League disappeared, the world and football in particular would be a much better place.

I couldn't give a toss is we get back in the Premiership again. All I want is for us to compete at whatever level we're at. We stopped doing that roughly around the time Sam left.

+1. While on such note I went to see my local non league (step 5) team paly last night and thoroughly enjoyed it especially given the players get about £30 a game and all went to local schools and live in he local area etc. They play out of the love for football, when did we lose that at the top level?

Jimmy Hill. The bastard.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The fact that managers/players/fans/owners/media etc etc think it is more important to finish 17th than win the cup, or to finish 4th is more important than anything else, other than finishing 1st, 2nd or 3rd, tells me that football is broken. Football isn't about football, it is about money. If the Premiership and Champions League disappeared, the world and football in particular would be a much better place.

I couldn't give a toss is we get back in the Premiership again. All I want is for us to compete at whatever level we're at. We stopped doing that roughly around the time Sam left.

+1. While on such note I went to see my local non league (step 5) team paly last night and thoroughly enjoyed it especially given the players get about £30 a game and all went to local schools and live in he local area etc. They play out of the love for football, when did we lose that at the top level?

Jimmy Hill. The bastard.

Bastard needs chinning.

[bwfcdan94]

Why am I getting decked?

[Little Green Man]

Why am I getting decked?

So you can attract rats?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Why am I getting decked?