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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by si2008 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:28 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:I wouldn't get rid of Gartside. He's been great for Bolton. Coyle is the one who has to take the fall.
WTF - put the whisky down and give us a break, great for what ?, running up a fcuking £100M debt whilst receiving £50M - £60M a year for 10 / 11 years, and employing wank manager after wank manager.

If he doesn't sack Coyle in the next few days - that's it for me, if Gartside can't be arsed then why should I.

10 points in 11 championship games, 5 defeats - 1 clean sheet in 50 away games and he's still in a job.

Eddie Davies please stop the rot now - get shut of Gartside & Coyle tonight because if not, there's only one way this club is going and that's league 1.
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do agree they both have to go.... +1

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Turkish Trotter » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:31 pm

The owner, Eddie Davies, must have an input on manager appointments, financial issues, etc.
Therefore he's as much to blame as Gartside, but no one knocks him, Gartside has made mistakes but the only one to carry the can is Coyle.
It's his team and his tactics(or lack of tactics) that has got us into this crap. All we can hope that the decision is made this weekend, and the next appointment is better than the last 3.
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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Bijou Bob » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:33 pm

Bottom three and just a couple of weeks away from being cut adrift, with mid table obscurity the only hope for the season. It's really not good enough, but to stop the season becoming a complete disaster before Christmas, the board has to act now. To do otherwise shows a complete lack of leadership from the Chairman.

Gartside has to earn his money and step up to the plate. Preferably today.
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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by SmokinFrazier » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:36 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:I wouldn't get rid of Gartside. He's been great for Bolton. Coyle is the one who has to take the fall.
WTF - put the whisky down and give us a break, great for what ?, running up a fcuking £100M debt whilst receiving £50M - £60M a year for 10 / 11 years, and employing wank manager after wank manager.

If he doesn't sack Coyle in the next few days - that's it for me, if Gartside can't be arsed then why should I.

11 points in 10 championship games, 5 defeats - 1 clean sheet in 50 away games and he's still in a job.

Eddie Davies please stop the rot now - get shut of Gartside & Coyle tonight because if not, there's only one way this club is going and that's league 1.
Come off it...

Gartside has been great for Bolton. Saying otherwise is short sighted nonsense.

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by dasher » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:42 pm

Coyle can't complain that the club haven't given him enough time to sort things out but there are naff all signs of improvement and we can't afford to let this go on any longer

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Peter Thompson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:43 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:Come off it...

Gartside has been great for Bolton. Saying otherwise is short sighted nonsense.
Come on then Phil (or Phil's relative), what has he done that's great please back up your comments - me short sighted you must also be a relative of Mr Magoo if you think Gartside has been great.

He's totally mis managed the business running up a £100M debt over 10-11 years, despite an annual income of around £50M - £60M
per annum, he's been responsible for personally appointing Sammy Lee Gary Megson & Coyle (after all he knows best !) - sh*te after sh*te after sh*te.

Overseeing a disastrous costly relegation from the premierleague, and then sitting back doing fcuk all allowing a clueless manager to guide us to 18th in the championship - Yes he's been great....

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by thebish » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:46 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:Come off it...

Gartside has been great for Bolton. Saying otherwise is short sighted nonsense.
Come on then Phil (or Phil's relative), what has he done that's great please back up your comments - me short sighted you must also be a relative of Mr Magoo if you think Gartside has been great.

He's totally mis managed the business running up a £100M debt over 10-11 years, despite an annual income of around £50M - £60M
per annum, he's been responsible for personally appointing Sammy Lee Gary Megson & Coyle (after all he knows best !) - sh*te after sh*te after sh*te.

Overseeing a disastrous costly relegation from the premierleague, and then sitting back doing fcuk all allowing a clueless manager to guide us to 18th in the championship - Yes he's been great....
hmmmm.... but that doesn't really tell the whole story does it - about what kind of "debt" it is... you make it sound as if we are imminent danger of the banks foreclosing and us having to sell the ping-pong table...

and - I thought received wisdom is now that Megson was ace?? :conf:

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by dasher » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:49 pm

Doesnt seem fair to criticise Gartside for the Megson, Lee, Coyle eras and not praise him for the good times we have had . Fair to say we have lost our way since Allardyce left but in reality isn't the Championship probably our normal level ?

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by plymouth wanderer » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:50 pm

It's the tea lady's fault

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by thebish » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:51 pm

plymouth wanderer wrote:It's the tea lady's fault

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that's the milk lady...

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by David Lee's Hair » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:51 pm

The only real mistake is not getting rid of Coyle 12 months ago...
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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Bijou Bob » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:55 pm

Gartside appointed BSA which turned out to be a great decision. That however, is a looooong long time ago. His leadership since in failing to support BSA's push into the Champions League spot, allegedly telling Megson that the match in Lisbon was "Not a priority" and appointing 3 consecutively poor managers, one of whom he left in post far too long (and his latest whom he seems not to have the bottle to sack), tells a different story.

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Martin_Cruise » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:56 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:
Peter Thompson wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:I wouldn't get rid of Gartside. He's been great for Bolton. Coyle is the one who has to take the fall.
WTF - put the whisky down and give us a break, great for what ?, running up a fcuking £100M debt whilst receiving £50M - £60M a year for 10 / 11 years, and employing wank manager after wank manager.

If he doesn't sack Coyle in the next few days - that's it for me, if Gartside can't be arsed then why should I.

11 points in 10 championship games, 5 defeats - 1 clean sheet in 50 away games and he's still in a job.

Eddie Davies please stop the rot now - get shut of Gartside & Coyle tonight because if not, there's only one way this club is going and that's league 1.
Come off it...

Gartside has been great for Bolton. Saying otherwise is short sighted nonsense.
Apart from 6 months under Coyle before Holden's injury the last 5 1/2 years has been fecking shite under Gartside.

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by thebish » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:59 pm

well... we've had unprecedented success over the last decade and have seen some of the finest players ever to wear the Wanderers shirt... and - crucially - we have not gone bankrupt or through administration...

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Turkish Trotter » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:00 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:Come off it...

Gartside has been great for Bolton. Saying otherwise is short sighted nonsense.
Come on then Phil (or Phil's relative), what has he done that's great please back up your comments - me short sighted you must also be a relative of Mr Magoo if you think Gartside has been great.

He's totally mis managed the business running up a £100M debt over 10-11 years, despite an annual income of around £50M - £60M
per annum, he's been responsible for personally appointing Sammy Lee Gary Megson & Coyle (after all he knows best !) - sh*te after sh*te after sh*te.

Overseeing a disastrous costly relegation from the premierleague, and then sitting back doing fcuk all allowing a clueless manager to guide us to 18th in the championship - Yes he's been great....


If he is now to blame for Coyles mess, then he must be applauded for Allardyces successes.
Success in the Premier league, European qualification, Cup final appearances, What we'd give for that now.
Yes the last 3 manager appointments have turned out bad ones, But at the time almost everyone was in favour of Sammy Lee and Coyle was the messiah, only the Megson appointment was argued against, and after this latest debacle that appointment doesn't seem too bad now.
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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Turkish Trotter » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:01 pm

thebish wrote:well... we've had unprecedented success over the last decade and have seen some of the finest players ever to wear the Wanderers shirt... and - crucially - we have not gone bankrupt or through administration...

Hear Hear,
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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by David Lee's Hair » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:02 pm

Here comes Lisbon... Lee was a risk worth taking we acted right. Megson was megson but he kept us up and did a job. For both Gartside acted at the right time.

Do not forget in Coyle we appointed allegedly the best young manager in the land... that's not an error of judgement by Gartside not sacking him 12 months ago is.
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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Martin_Cruise » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:06 pm

thebish wrote:well... we've had unprecedented success over the last decade and have seen some of the finest players ever to wear the Wanderers shirt... and - crucially - we have not gone bankrupt or through administration...
We had 4 1/2 great seasons under Sam although that's including his last season when some people reckon the decline had started.

I make that 5 1/2 years short of a decade .

If you're counting not getting relegated under Lee/ Megson/ Coyle for 4 seasons as unprecendented success then I don't agree.

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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Turkish Trotter » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:12 pm

Martin_Cruise wrote:
thebish wrote:well... we've had unprecedented success over the last decade and have seen some of the finest players ever to wear the Wanderers shirt... and - crucially - we have not gone bankrupt or through administration...
We had 4 1/2 great seasons under Sam although that's including his last season when some people reckon the decline had started.

I make that 5 1/2 years short of a decade .

If you're counting not getting relegated under Lee/ Megson/ Coyle for 4 seasons as unprecendented success then I don't agree.

Unprecedated means not seen before, I think that we have had success the past 10 years, I've been a Wanderer for the last 50 years and it's unprecedated in my time !!!
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Re: Wanderers away at Millwall

Post by Peter Thompson » Sat Oct 06, 2012 6:12 pm

Turkish Trotter wrote:If he is now to blame for Coyles mess, then he must be applauded for Allardyces successes.
Success in the Premier league, European qualification, Cup final appearances, What we'd give for that now.
Yes the last 3 manager appointments have turned out bad ones, But at the time almost everyone was in favour of Sammy Lee and Coyle was the messiah, only the Megson appointment was argued against, and after this latest debacle that appointment doesn't seem too bad now.
Who said that he wasn't applauded for Allardyces success - he got his FA role on the back of that, he enjoyed his time in the sun on the back of Allardyce

Does that allow him 5 -6 years of sheer incompetence though, if at work you have a good 2 years and you are flavour of the month as a reward you'll probably benefit through bonuses which Gartside did, but would that company then allow you to continually fcuk up, making bad decision after bad decision for the following 5 years - and in the process take the company from 10th in the country to 38th in a relatively short space of time. In any other business other then BWFC the chairman would have gone, he can't live off the Allardyce success for ever whilst the club slides at an alarming rate.

Like I said he either steps up and grows a pair & sacks Coyle now - or he walks with him

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