The Only way is Up? - The Gooners match thread

[Lord Kangana]

£20m then is more than £20m now. Lets not beat around the bush.

[BWFC_Insane]

£20m then is more than £20m now. Lets not beat around the bush.

And let's not also beat around the bush, what Coyle inherited was a lot stronger than what Megson got, with shite, like Alonso, Braaten, Wilhelmsson, Michalik, Cid, Hunt, etc in it!

And Coyle has a net spend, let's not pretend otherwise! In addition, Coyle has been backed to keep our best player and most sellable asset, a luxury Megson didn't get!

[Lord Kangana]

Its a good job Allardyce left Megson such saleable assets as Anelka and Nolan. This club would be f*cked otherwise.

Its a good job he reinvested it in saleable assets like Tamir Cohen, Johan Elmander, Matthew Taylor, Gretar Steinsson, Danny Shittu....

The list goes on. Its a minor miracle that we have Holden and NRC playing for us./ They cost nowt in transfer fees.

Megson was a c*nt by the way. You forgot that bit.

[BWFC_Insane]

Its a good job Allardyce left Megson such saleable assets as Anelka and Nolan. This club would be f*cked otherwise.

Its a good job he reinvested it in saleable assets like Tamir Cohen, Johan Elmander, Matthew Taylor, Gretar Steinsson, Danny Shittu....

The list goes on. Its a minor miracle that we have Holden and NRC playing for us./ They cost nowt in transfer fees.

Megson was a c*nt by the way. You forgot that bit.

Didn't we just get 2.2M for Taylor despite him being in the last year of his contract.

Not Megsons fault we let Elmander run his contract down. And you conveniently miss off LCY and Cahill off the list.

And shall we talk about the 4M that's been chucked away on Wheater, who can't get in the side ahead of Knight, and Alonso, so bad even in the dire run of form hes in right now, Robbo is still better and would be picked ahead of Alonso even if he were fit!

Things go wrong, managers make mistakes. Bottom line is I predicted all along that we wouldn't significantly improve over what Megson did and we haven't. By whatever measure you choose to use, other than the fact Coyle is a bit more popular with the fans, and that may we be tested pretty soon.

I still think we have a good group of players and will get out of this. And as ever, no matter who is in charge I will back the manager to turn it round whilst there is still time!

[Lord Kangana]

If Wheater was £4m then Elmander was £11m. Can't have it both ways.

[officer_dibble]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

[BWFC_Insane]

If Wheater was £4m then Elmander was £11m. Can't have it both ways.

Having it both ways is your speciality!

But if you read I was being generous and lumping Wheater and Alonso into the 4M!

There were add ons to the Wheater deal but they're hardly likely to be triggered with him always on the bench!

[thebish]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

exactly! what is the point of asking a question that was never a choice and would never have been one - and then get all arsey when people suggest it is not that simple, pointing out why it never was a simple elmo/davo choice?

[BWFC_Insane]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

exactly! what is the point of asking a question that was never a choice and would never have been one - and then get all arsey when people suggest it is not that simple, pointing out why it never was a simple elmo/davo choice?

I never asked the question, and pointed out in one of my earlier posts that it wasn't the choice on the table.

Was just picking up on a question asked by another poster!

[thebish]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

exactly! what is the point of asking a question that was never a choice and would never have been one - and then get all arsey when people suggest it is not that simple, pointing out why it never was a simple elmo/davo choice?

I never asked the question, and pointed out in one of my earlier posts that it wasn't the choice on the table.

Was just picking up on a question asked by another poster!

that's a bit disingenuous!

you wote this:

I'm waiting for someone to make an argument as to why were better off with Davies over our top scorer from last season.

[Prufrock]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

Al-Habsi, or N'Gog. Or Jussi and N'Gog, or Ali Klasnic, Davies, and Tuncay?

[BWFC_Insane]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

exactly! what is the point of asking a question that was never a choice and would never have been one - and then get all arsey when people suggest it is not that simple, pointing out why it never was a simple elmo/davo choice?

I never asked the question, and pointed out in one of my earlier posts that it wasn't the choice on the table.

Was just picking up on a question asked by another poster!

that's a bit disingenuous!

you wote this:

I'm waiting for someone to make an argument as to why were better off with Davies over our top scorer from last season.

Someone asked the question, I answered and you countered with there are no facts etc...

My comment was in response to that.

You are making out that I'd made up a hypothetical situation and then got upset when nobody would take me on with it. Thats not the case, earlier I said the choice was more between NGog and Elmander, or Tuncay!

[thebish]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

exactly! what is the point of asking a question that was never a choice and would never have been one - and then get all arsey when people suggest it is not that simple, pointing out why it never was a simple elmo/davo choice?

I never asked the question, and pointed out in one of my earlier posts that it wasn't the choice on the table.

Was just picking up on a question asked by another poster!

that's a bit disingenuous!

you wote this:

I'm waiting for someone to make an argument as to why were better off with Davies over our top scorer from last season.

Someone asked the question, I answered and you countered with there are no facts etc...

My comment was in response to that.

You are making out that I'd made up a hypothetical situation and then got upset when nobody would take me on with it. Thats not the case, earlier I said the choice was more between NGog and Elmander, or Tuncay!

if you think the choice was otherwise - then why are you waiting for someone to make an argument as to why were better off with Davies over our top scorer from last season?

[Lord Kangana]

If Wheater was £4m then Elmander was £11m. Can't have it both ways.

Having it both ways is your speciality!

But if you read I was being generous and lumping Wheater and Alonso into the 4M!

There were add ons to the Wheater deal but they're hardly likely to be triggered with him always on the bench!

Thats not being generous. They were both quoted at a starting fee of around 1.8.

Of course, having it both ways, I forgot to mention the money spent on Robinson and Knight.

Silly me.

[Gail Platz]

The team we put out against Arsenal was wrong in my opinion. I was pleased to see a change in the formation with 5 in midfield and Ngog up front on his own, but why did we have three slow defensive minded midfielders in the centre? I could have accepted Muamba and Reo-Coker in there, but surely Kakuta, Tuncay or M Davies should have started in front of Pratley?

I was also massively disappointed with Coyle's choice to throw Davies on in place of Ngog. Davies with a striker alongside him is completely useless, so imagine what he's going to be like up front on his own?! It's time to face facts, he's gone. Arsenal were one of the only teams that Davies could still have an impact against, but if even Koscielny can manage to put him in his back pocket, you know he's finished. Tuncay should have come on and ran at the very slow Mertesacker, we would have been much better off.

I kind of expected the start we've had (apart from the Norwich result) but I'm still very worried at what side we're going to put out against Chelsea!

[officer_dibble]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

Al-Habsi, or N'Gog. Or Jussi and N'Gog, or Ali Klasnic, Davies, and Tuncay?

Ali=ngog then?

havent seen enough of ngog yet but jussis doing my tits in! where is that knee jerk thread...

[wanderers_on_tour]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

Al-Habsi, or N'Gog. Or Jussi and N'Gog, or Ali Klasnic, Davies, and Tuncay?

Ali=ngog then?

havent seen enough of ngog yet but jussis doing my tits in! where is that knee jerk thread...

I'd have agreed usually mate but yesterday he was probably man of the match in my eyes! Looked like he had his confidence back and knew how to come off his line again.

[Beefheart]

Wonder if we'll rue selling al habsi in our next proper game. Even more than now I mean.

As for Elmander or davies...odd question I'd take Elmanders mum over davies, but we didn't have a choice. He was offered more money and a longer contract, didnt like being shunted to accomodate sturridge and davies, and probably disliked the fans!

Al-Habsi, or N'Gog. Or Jussi and N'Gog, or Ali Klasnic, Davies, and Tuncay?

Ali=ngog then?

havent seen enough of ngog yet but jussis doing my tits in! where is that knee jerk thread...

I'd have agreed usually mate but yesterday he was probably man of the match in my eyes! Looked like he had his confidence back and knew how to come off his line again.

My mate said he thought that 'Old Jussi was back' watching that match, will be disappointed to be beaten at his near post though.

[Worthy4England]

And we're all waiting on about 10 other questions on points you've made.

Play fair.

I can't see any questions. Shall we start examining the favourite PPG stat that was wheeled out almost weekly for 2 years?

I'm guessing not!

Still better than Megson's...but not a lot in it at the moment.

We're more likely to win under Coyle (by about 3%) but more likely to lose too (by about 3%)

[Tombwfc]

I'm not sure why Tamir Cohen is brought into a discussion about spending. He cost about 37p and scored a number of important goals. Taylor aswell was excellent value for what we got from him.

I'd take Elmander over any one of our current strikers in a straight swap, but at the end of the day (from what I remember) Eddie Davies thought he was shit, and it's his money.

Seen as somebody asked, according to Galatasaray's website he's scored one league goal for them so far. They've played three, but I've no idea if he played in all of them or not.