The six fingered Clarets

[TKIZ!]

I'm an ESL dweller. I also know very little but I don't sit in scoreboard corner

[BWFC_Insane]

Eagles was damn frustrating today because we all know he's capable of so much more, but the response to his removal from some today was atrocious. Similarly the reaction to Bogdan catching anything is the same. Hardly going to fill them with confidence is it?

Totally right, Harry. It was atrocious but for me and I have to say I don't normally boo, it was born out of pure frustration. Frustration at the manner in which they scored and frustration with Eagles bottling out of challenges or just generally not being at the races. We know what he's capable of or at least I'm aware and it's upsetting to see him not attaining that level.

It's still a whole lot less frustrating than the manner we threw our premier league status away last season.

And you kept telling everyone last season to 'just get behind them'.....

At least now we are not inviting sides to just run straight through the middle of us!

[Sponge]

I think it's a fair comparison. Was the sort of attacking performance the know-nowts in the east lower love. 'He's got skillz, him'. Head down, beat two out of three and win a throw-in so folk think he's ace, but if he'd got his head up he could have made a five yard pass and we'd be in a good position. He was certainly less wank than last week, but he couldn't be that bad again. I said last week he could be trying too hard, and it's defo possible, but given he's only here for a month we haven't really got time for that. He's another with lots of ability but seemingly no brain.

+1

[TKIZ!]

Eagles was damn frustrating today because we all know he's capable of so much more, but the response to his removal from some today was atrocious. Similarly the reaction to Bogdan catching anything is the same. Hardly going to fill them with confidence is it?

Totally right, Harry. It was atrocious but for me and I have to say I don't normally boo, it was born out of pure frustration. Frustration at the manner in which they scored and frustration with Eagles bottling out of challenges or just generally not being at the races. We know what he's capable of or at least I'm aware and it's upsetting to see him not attaining that level.

It's still a whole lot less frustrating than the manner we threw our premier league status away last season.

And you kept telling everyone last season to 'just get behind them'.....

At least now we are not inviting sides to just run straight through the middle of us!

I would still fans to get behind us, that hasn't changed. Yesterday I was annoyed because I felt in the 2nd half up till they scored we'd got a grip on the game. Eagles was just rubbish and didn't link with Sordell at all, De Ridder was better and looked to be causing them problems at least. Like I said though I'm a fan that's never managed a football team and Dougie proved he has the balls to take a big gamble when needs be

[TANGODANCER]

Suddenly, I'm questioning my whole concepts of the game of football.

[thebish]

Eagles was damn frustrating today because we all know he's capable of so much more, but the response to his removal from some today was atrocious. Similarly the reaction to Bogdan catching anything is the same. Hardly going to fill them with confidence is it?

Totally right, Harry. It was atrocious but for me and I have to say I don't normally boo, it was born out of pure frustration. Frustration at the manner in which they scored and frustration with Eagles bottling out of challenges or just generally not being at the races. We know what he's capable of or at least I'm aware and it's upsetting to see him not attaining that level.

It's still a whole lot less frustrating than the manner we threw our premier league status away last season.

And you kept telling everyone last season to 'just get behind them'.....

are you suggesting that TKIZ should stick rigidly to what his opinions were last season?? think about that carefully!!!

[Bruce Rioja]

He's another with lots of ability but seemingly no brain.

So, you think it was the better decision to take De Ridder off ahead of Eagles yesterday, do you?

[Prufrock]

Well given the bloke who came on for him scored the winner I'd say so . Had Eagles gone off instead who knows what would have happened. There's been talk De Ridder isn't properly fit so it's possible that too had an effect.

I can answer a similar question and say I thought De Ridder was better than Eagles yesterday.

[SmokinFrazier]

De Ridder was better than Eagles but it's not like there was a load of difference between them. I'd also say Eagles looked a lot sharper after an hour, so keeping De Ridder on would have been a disadvantage as I don't think he's fully fit.

You have to wonder why Freedman played De Ridder despite him not being fit, whereas other players, such as Craig Davies, Sordell, Medo etc., have all fallen short of the team because they're not fit enough.

[jaffka]

De Ridder was better than Eagles but it's not like there was a load of difference between them. I'd also say Eagles looked a lot sharper after an hour, so keeping De Ridder on would have been a disadvantage as I don't think he's fully fit.

You have to wonder why Freedman played De Ridder despite him not being fit, whereas other players, such as Craig Davies, Sordell, Medo etc., have all fallen short of the team because they're not fit enough.

The position that he plays will have had some bearing on his selection

[wanderers_on_tour]

I usually work weekends so haven't seen a game since we lost away to Leeds. My dad went yesterday like n speaking to him earlier I couldn't work out if people were booing the substitutions a) because they thought Sordell would have got us back into the game or b) quite the opposite and they were booing him because he'd played rubbish. Or did people boo because they thought the substitutions should have come on for one of our less attacking options (despite leaving us very fragile at the back and through the middle).

By the same token i'm not sure how by way of the two substitutions was it not obvious we were setting up 4-4-2, and so a more attacking formation than 4-5-1, and so increasing the likelihood of us clawing our way back? How far apart did Ngog and C.Davies come on?

Like I said I haven't been to a game for a while so my consensus on the general fans outlook comes from this site alone. Just curious as to what went on and although hindsight is a brilliant thing, did the substitutions appear a step backwards at the time.

[boltonboris]

Ngog and C Davies came on at the same time

[truewhite15]

I usually work weekends so haven't seen a game since we lost away to Leeds. My dad went yesterday like n speaking to him earlier I couldn't work out if people were booing the substitutions a) because they thought Sordell would have got us back into the game or b) quite the opposite and they were booing him because he'd played rubbish. Or did people boo because they thought the substitutions should have come on for one of our less attacking options (despite leaving us very fragile at the back and through the middle).

By the same token i'm not sure how by way of the two substitutions was it not obvious we were setting up 4-4-2, and so a more attacking formation than 4-5-1, and so increasing the likelihood of us clawing our way back? How far apart did Ngog and C.Davies come on?

Like I said I haven't been to a game for a while so my consensus on the general fans outlook comes from this site alone. Just curious as to what went on and although hindsight is a brilliant thing, did the substitutions appear a step backwards at the time.

The boos were a response to De Ridder, who looked lively, and Sordell, who didn't (but is a goal threat), coming off instead of Eagles, who was shite (again). This became obvious ten minutes later when Eagles finally got his marching orders for Kev. The boos weren't a take on the players coming off, or coming on, but rather for the player who should have come off, but didn't.

[Prufrock]

De Ridder and Sordell off for N'Gog and Cravies. Went 4-4-2 with Eagles wide. Then Eagles off for Kevin Davies, N'Gog went right wing.

When N'Gog and Cravies were up top N'Gog played a lot deeper though. More a 4-4-1-1.

[TKIZ!]

I usually work weekends so haven't seen a game since we lost away to Leeds. My dad went yesterday like n speaking to him earlier I couldn't work out if people were booing the substitutions a) because they thought Sordell would have got us back into the game or b) quite the opposite and they were booing him because he'd played rubbish. Or did people boo because they thought the substitutions should have come on for one of our less attacking options (despite leaving us very fragile at the back and through the middle).

By the same token i'm not sure how by way of the two substitutions was it not obvious we were setting up 4-4-2, and so a more attacking formation than 4-5-1, and so increasing the likelihood of us clawing our way back? How far apart did Ngog and C.Davies come on?

Like I said I haven't been to a game for a while so my consensus on the general fans outlook comes from this site alone. Just curious as to what went on and although hindsight is a brilliant thing, did the substitutions appear a step backwards at the time.

The people around me and myself booed because of who Dougie was bringing off, not Cravies and N'Gog. Although N'Gog does get a similar level of abuse to Eagles where I sit. Maybe I should relocate myself to North stand?

[wanderers_on_tour]

De Ridder and Sordell off for N'Gog and Cravies. Went 4-4-2 with Eagles wide. Then Eagles off for Kevin Davies, N'Gog went right wing.

When N'Gog and Cravies were up top N'Gog played a lot deeper though. More a 4-4-1-1.

cheers everyone!

As to your point Pru how did Ngog link up with Cravies and as the deep lying striker did he get more involved in the build up play??

Think we'll prob stick with same eleven for Forrest game (maybe Kamara for Pratley to get him involved) but if we're to change it upfront (again) i'm not sure who you'd pick instead? Its obviously between Ngog/Cravies but if they play well together...

[Sponge]

The boos were a response to De Ridder, who looked lively, and Sordell, who didn't (but is a goal threat), coming off instead of Eagles, who was shite (again). This became obvious ten minutes later when Eagles finally got his marching orders for Kev. The boos weren't a take on the players coming off, or coming on, but rather for the player who should have come off, but didn't.

Right. Genius.

[bobo the clown]

The boos were a response to De Ridder, who looked lively, and Sordell, who didn't (but is a goal threat), coming off instead of Eagles, who was shite (again). This became obvious ten minutes later when Eagles finally got his marching orders for Kev. The boos weren't a take on the players coming off, or coming on, but rather for the player who should have come off, but didn't.

Right. Genius.

Wel, that is the case !

It was plain to anyone that Eagles was having a 'mare.

Sordell had failed to really make any headway, but not least as Eagles had failed to provide him with any support. So the substitution was odd & any booing was at Freedman as he was clearly (to many people) taking the wrong player off in de Ridder.

[TKIZ!]

The boos were a response to De Ridder, who looked lively, and Sordell, who didn't (but is a goal threat), coming off instead of Eagles, who was shite (again). This became obvious ten minutes later when Eagles finally got his marching orders for Kev. The boos weren't a take on the players coming off, or coming on, but rather for the player who should have come off, but didn't.

Right. Genius.

Wel, that is the case !

It was plain to anyone that Eagles was having a 'mare.

Sordell had failed to really make any headway, but not least as Eagles had failed to provide him with any support. So the substitution was odd & any booing was at Freedman as he was clearly (to many people) taking the wrong player off in de Ridder.

Pretty Bob on, Bobo

[wanderers_on_tour]

With Eagles falling slightly out of form the prospect of Mark Davies playing just behind Sordell sounds a mighty enticing one.