Freedman out!

[CAPSLOCK]

Most of the senior shithouses have been shithouses under 2/3 managers.

That suggests they've been given new contracts somewhere along the way, which then suggests that they're probably not 'shithouses'.

Depends on who gave them out

Hopefully most weren't offered due to ping pong prowess

Saint Dougie gave one of them to a central defender who is now apparently part of the problem.

I think I mentioned that

Keep up, Owen

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I understand you said not necessarily. But I felt it a point worth making

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Point of Order.
A shithouse is an unpleasant person.
Somebody who is shite at their job is just shit, and not necessarily a shithouse.

A person that grins ear to ear upon relegation is a shithouse. They happen to be shit at their job as well.

I'll allow that. (although who appointed me as arbiter, God only knows).

[BL3]

Most of the senior shithouses have been shithouses under 2/3 managers.

That suggests they've been given new contracts somewhere along the way, which then suggests that they're probably not 'shithouses'.

I give you Zat Knight. Arguably the biggest shithouse we have right now. 3 managers?

I give you Ngog. 2 managers?

There are 2. 1 re-signed by a different manager to the one that originally signed him and one that hasn't re-signed. You could say Wheater is another, depending on how much slack we're giving him for being out for a long time.

I'm not sure how that proves they are or are not shithouses. I think they are shithouses and poor judgement on the part of whichever manager was involved, though Coyle needs to take a particularly large bow for Knight. Why are they shithouses in my opinion? Because they are lazy, feckless and weak. Ngog has some talent but needs to grow a pair and use it. Knight needs to wake up and give a shit. Even then I'm not convinced he's worthy of a place in a League 2 team, never mind a team with supposed Premiership ambitions.

Am I wasting my time asking for your opinion? What the problem is beyond it just pointing at Dougie?

N'gog is not shit. Nor is he 'lazy, feckless and weak'. Knight has been mainly a first choice centre half under three different managers. Defending isn't just down to the back four, it's down to the whole team. If you piss about with team formations and tactics every other game, you end up with a shambles. Under Allardyce, the back four could defend in their sleep because it was drilled into them over and over again in training. If Dougie is such a good coach, why isn't he capable of organising the team to defend? Isn't that what he told us he was going to do when he arrived?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

N'gog is not shit. Nor is he 'lazy, feckless and weak'. Knight has been mainly a first choice centre half under three different managers. Defending isn't just down to the back four, it's down to the whole team. If you piss about with team formations and tactics every other game, you end up with a shambles. Under Allardyce, the back four could defend in their sleep because it was drilled into them over and over again in training. If Dougie is such a good coach, why isn't he capable of organising the team to defend? Isn't that what he told us he was going to do when he arrived?

Ngog has talent. He does very little with it though. He often hides, he's feckless in front of goal and if he isn't weak how is it that he gets little injuries or hides when the going gets tough. I would venture that Liverpool managers and 2 Bolton managers have been unable to get anything consistently decent out of him. I can see he has some talent, so it seems to me he is weak, either that or he can't be arsed.

Knight has been mostly first choice under 3 Bolton managers. He often wasn't first choice under managers at other clubs. He is one of the most error prone players I can remember seeing. He may have been dropped in the shit by his team mates at times, but for a supposed premiership player he sure makes as horrible number off his own back.

I agree with you about pissing about. You can probably ascertain that from a post I made earlier today on this thread. I also question if Dougie is a good coach and have done since day 1. The defence should be better than it is with the personnel available, but that doesn't take away from the fact Knight is proving he is shit (as is his fellow defenders).

[CAPSLOCK]

Woah, hang on

NGog isn't weak?

You've just gone and excelled yourself

Physically, mentally...take your pick

Not saying he's shite but flatters to deceive could've been invented for him

But he's weak

With a bright red cherry on top

[bobo the clown]

Woah, hang on

NGog isn't weak?

You've just gone and excelled yourself

Physically, mentally...take your pick

Not saying he's shite but flatters to deceive could've been invented for him

But he's weak

With a bright red cherry on top

This is the guy the present manager said needs to train differently and away from the main event as he's (my word) brittle.

He also said that this ex PSG, ex Liverpool, French international needs to learn (Dougie's words) "to put his foot through the ball" when shooting, and also needs to be more willing to take a pop.

Fck me ... I can cope with that advice being given at schoolboy level ... to the kid picked last in "ip-dip" when choosing teams on the back field. But to a guy at this level ?!?!?!?

He IS a 'let down'.

[SmokinFrazier]

It seems to be a given among many of our fans that the group of players we have are just poor, which I don't really agree with. Pratley and Ream were once two of our most criticised players yet look what happens when they get picked to play alongside the right players and in the right positions. They've not suddenly become great players, just like they were never awful either, but it goes to show how even our most criticised individuals have potential in them. I'm not so sure you can say the same about Knight, as I think he's coming to the end of career, but as for Baptiste, Tierney, Wheater and Mills, I certainly don't look at them and think they're performing at their best. Our team against Leeds had nearly 100 international caps between them, countless more international experience at youth level and most of them in the squad have played at Premier League level, so their ability is proven and they haven't suddenly become bad players in the last year or so.

There are issues with the way the teams are set up, both defensively and when we're on the attack. Our players are suffering from a lack of confidence which is also hurting their performances, but that shouldn't be misinterpreted as simple lack of ability. I don't think these problems are anything a better manager couldn't fix. If Allardyce returned to us before Derby, I'm confident we'd start keeping clean sheets and I think we easily have enough individual ability to finish in the play-off spots.

[thebish]

Woah, hang on

NGog isn't weak?

You've just gone and excelled yourself

Physically, mentally...take your pick

Not saying he's shite but flatters to deceive could've been invented for him

But he's weak

With a bright red cherry on top

careful - you'll wake BWFCi up!!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Woah, hang on

NGog isn't weak?

You've just gone and excelled yourself

Physically, mentally...take your pick

Not saying he's shite but flatters to deceive could've been invented for him

But he's weak

With a bright red cherry on top

careful - you'll wake BWFCi up!!

It'll be reet. Hospital probably medicated him

[BL3]

Ngog has talent. He does very little with it though. He often hides, he's feckless in front of goal and if he isn't weak how is it that he gets little injuries or hides when the going gets tough.

He leads the line on his own with little or no service. He's feeding off scraps. It's a thankless task.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Ngog has talent. He does very little with it though. He often hides, he's feckless in front of goal and if he isn't weak how is it that he gets little injuries or hides when the going gets tough.

He leads the line on his own with little or no service. He's feeding off scraps. It's a thankless task.

And what about when he's playing off Beckford, or in other times as part of a 2? It's not like he suddenly became less productive/useful once Dougie and his merry men rocked up.

[BL3]

This is the guy the present manager said needs to train differently and away from the main event as he's (my word) brittle. He also said that this ex PSG, ex Liverpool, French international needs to learn (Dougie's words) "to put his foot through the ball" when shooting, and also needs to be more willing to take a pop. Fck me ... I can cope with that advice being given at schoolboy level ... to the kid picked last in "ip-dip" when choosing teams on the back field. But to a guy at this level ?!?!?!? He IS a 'let down'.

That's only of relevance if you think Dougie has the first fecking clue about anything.

[BL3]

Ngog has talent. He does very little with it though. He often hides, he's feckless in front of goal and if he isn't weak how is it that he gets little injuries or hides when the going gets tough.

He leads the line on his own with little or no service. He's feeding off scraps. It's a thankless task.

And what about when he's playing off Beckford, or in other times as part of a 2? It's not like he suddenly became less productive/useful once Dougie and his merry men rocked up.

It doesn't matter whether we're playing one up front or two, if they're getting no service, they might as well not be on the pitch.

[Bruce Rioja]

"The lads are focused, obviously they are disappointed with how the results have gone but as I have pointed out to them, their performances are not too far away from winning games of football."

Not too far away? Are we newly promoted or summat? 'Not fecking good enough' is the term you're after, Douglas.

[LeverEnd]

This is just getting funny, I'll look forward to seeing Ngog play like Henry and Knight like Bobby Moore when Dougie gets sacked though. Cos they were both brilliant pre-Dougie, right?

[bwfcdan94]

Personally I don't think it is a problem with the players or the manager at our club, the problem sounds to me like the players don't get on with each other or the manager going on what has been said about Saturdays defeat.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Ngog has talent. He does very little with it though. He often hides, he's feckless in front of goal and if he isn't weak how is it that he gets little injuries or hides when the going gets tough.

He leads the line on his own with little or no service. He's feeding off scraps. It's a thankless task.

And what about when he's playing off Beckford, or in other times as part of a 2? It's not like he suddenly became less productive/useful once Dougie and his merry men rocked up.

It doesn't matter whether we're playing one up front or two, if they're getting no service, they might as well not be on the pitch.

Whilst the service hasn't been brilliant, they've been getting a lot more than none. I'd also add that the times Ngog has been playing off another striker this season he's responsible for creating some of that service and hasn't done so. He may not have had loads to work with, but he has done feck all with what he's had.

[Lord Kangana]

This is just getting funny, I'll look forward to seeing Ngog play like Henry and Knight like Bobby Moore when Dougie gets sacked though. Cos they were both brilliant pre-Dougie, right?

I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make here.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

certainly the way he sets the team out currently means game will usually be tight. The problem then is if you have error prone defenders and goal shy attackers you're a bit screwed.

So why does he persist in approaching games like that then? Why doesn't he start a player who is apparently 'the only player with any real spark'?

If we needed 'a quality centre half', why did he release a striker and spend £1M on another striker, when that sort of money 'does not buy a guaranteed scorer'?

Why did he release a right back in the summer and then play a decent centre half at right back?

He didn't have 'relatively poor backing in the summer', he was given more money to spend than all but three other clubs in the Championship, and two of those were in the Premier League last season.

Hi BLT, all very good points to which I have no answers except those I implied or stated already