Wanderers away at Millwall

[truewhite15]

Body language from Petrov before he went and after he scored, Sordell when he was called back to bench were both pretty poor. Both looked very unhappy as for Chungy standing near the corner flag the whole 2nd half well that was just ludicrous

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Watching a different game presumably. FIFA?

Well actually smart ass they were warming up in front of where I sit

Petrov when called back to the dugout shook his head and walked back when we scored he walked back to the halfway line with his head down and didnt celebrate

Sordell when called back to the dugout looked like he didnt want to go on

I seriously hate patronising tw*ts like you

Or alternatively, friend, you could make it clear that you're talking about a completely different game than the one being discussed in this thread. If you don't, then you can hardly lash out when people wonder what the feck you're talking about.

[Mar]

Body language from Petrov before he went and after he scored, Sordell when he was called back to bench were both pretty poor. Both looked very unhappy as for Chungy standing near the corner flag the whole 2nd half well that was just ludicrous

?

Watching a different game presumably. FIFA?

Well actually smart ass they were warming up in front of where I sit

Petrov when called back to the dugout shook his head and walked back when we scored he walked back to the halfway line with his head down and didnt celebrate

Sordell when called back to the dugout looked like he didnt want to go on

I seriously hate patronising tw*ts like you

Actually it was intended as light hearted banter but if you want to take it overly serious then feel free to get riled up enough to become a keyboard warrior.

Body language from Petrov, before he went and after he scored... <-- sounds like you're referring to Petrov scoring here

Petrov wasn't on the bench so i'm wondering why he's going warming up at all.

[midlands exile]

Body language from Petrov before he went and after he scored, Sordell when he was called back to bench were both pretty poor. Both looked very unhappy as for Chungy standing near the corner flag the whole 2nd half well that was just ludicrous

?

Watching a different game presumably. FIFA?

Well actually smart ass they were warming up in front of where I sit

Petrov when called back to the dugout shook his head and walked back when we scored he walked back to the halfway line with his head down and didnt celebrate

Sordell when called back to the dugout looked like he didnt want to go on

I seriously hate patronising tw*ts like you

Easy fella, that first line of your original post doesn't read very well.

Anyway, thanks for providing yet more depressing info on the state of the mood within the squad!

[dasher]

Sorry Mar having a bad day.

Yes I meant the Leeds game and no I didnt make that clear

[bw@bw]

I need to ask some questions because I've supported Bolton longer than most on here and I've rarely been as depressed doing it as right now:

We have "quality players, too good for this league, it's the manager's fault we're not playing well, Davies should be put out to grass..etc etc," and all the other songs of glory regularly sung by the faithful. I'll never blame KD for anything simply because it isn't his fault nobody's stepping up to replace him. He turns out every week, never gets injured, contributes and score. He can't be blamed for being 35 and he's been a true Bolton hero and he'll go soon. So....

Who's going to score under our "new manager?"
Can he make players not miss penalties?
Is it going to be any different with a new manager but the same team?
Would we have lost today under someone else, and why or why not?
How, with the same players are things going to change?
Can he make defenders not slip up and put us under pressure?

See, it all seems to me that the players aren't exactly covering them selves with glory, but all anybody says is "Coyle out, Gartside Out" and up will step a wonder manager who'll put it all right and send us bounding up the league. You can't miss penalties, hard earned at best, in our case rarer than rocking horse shxt, and expect to still win. Niether Coyle or Gartside took one or misssed one.

All that said, yes, something needs to happen drastically, but even with Jose Maurinho, unless the team start to play well We'll soon be relegation candidates in this league. Says a lot when MOTM candidates were Bogdan and Danny Shittu.

THe problem is that we got spoiled when we had Sam Allardyce - a genuinely skilful manager and tactician who learned how to get a reasonable group of players to get results against teams who had players at least as good as ours - and sometimes against much better teams. Part of it was tactics. Part of it motivation and sports science. For those with long memories, we had a spell where we kept throwing points away in the last 5 minutes. But then we learned how to hold on to a result.

In fact we had him for 8 years - which in football is a lifetime- so everyone thinks it is normal and / or easy to do this. So far as I can see there has only ever been a minority of managers and coaches who could do this.

It is not surprising that the one we have at the moment is not in that minority.

BUT -the collection of players we have now is miles better than the group we had to get promoted and stay up that first season. I don't think that the squad is particularly short of individual ability. It is short of confidence and cohesion. Coyle can spot decent players but he has perfected the art of making the team less than the sum of its parts.

Time to move on, whilst we still have a squad of decent players - and get them playing to their potential

[thebish]

Who's going to score under our "new manager?" we're already scoring
Can he make players not miss penalties? probably not
Is it going to be any different with a new manager but the same team? yes - I imagine so. the job of the manager is to mould and shape and prepare and set out a team so that they know what they are doing and have a plan. Coyle isn't doing any of that.
Would we have lost today under someone else, and why or why not? possibly - nothing is certain - but I'd like to think we have the quality players to give Millwall a game - and if we had a manager who could prepare those same players better - then - yeah - I'd be a LOT more confident we could have won
How, with the same players are things going to change? this is the same question as the one above, essentially.
Can he make defenders not slip up and put us under pressure? he can drill the defence so that this is not as likely and not as frequent - that's what training through the week is for. he can't eradicate every mistake - but that's not what is ailing us - the odd mistake - what is ailing us is total not-a-clue-ness.

[Il Pirate]

Who's going to score under our "new manager?" we're already scoring
Can he make players not miss penalties? probably not
Is it going to be any different with a new manager but the same team? yes - I imagine so. the job of the manager is to mould and shape and prepare and set out a team so that they know what they are doing and have a plan. Coyle isn't doing any of that.
Would we have lost today under someone else, and why or why not? possibly - nothing is certain - but I'd like to think we have the quality players to give Millwall a game - and if we had a manager who could prepare those same players better - then - yeah - I'd be a LOT more confident we could have won
How, with the same players are things going to change? this is the same question as the one above, essentially.
Can he make defenders not slip up and put us under pressure? he can drill the defence so that this is not as likely and not as frequent - that's what training through the week is for. he can't eradicate every mistake - but that's not what is ailing us - the odd mistake - what is ailing us is total not-a-clue-ness.

A lot of truth in that expression; 'Older & wiser'.............

[bobo the clown]

I read that it was one clean sheet in 50 away games.

If that's correct, & it certainly seems like that, then the manager & coaches are not doing their jobs. Either in terms of selecting/buying the right players or setting & coaching the right systems.

Of course an odd slip-up can happen, but the right players, playing the right system with the right coaches will make few of these. We seem to have one in us every match.

[William the White]

just back from Millwall.

Another dreadfully disappointing performance.

Our first half display deserved a gold award for ineptitude. We were dismal.

The second half saw us equalise early, go onto the attack. Get a pen. Miss it.

Still the game, for half an hour, was mostly ours.

but no one with a single eye could claim we deserved victory. We were in the same league as Millwall - from the bottom three - for most of the game, and, in the first half, were bossed by them for long periods. On serious chances Millwall could have had 2 or 3.

The discontent among the supporters is spreading and getting more vocal. I don't have it in me to join in 'Coyle out' chants. I guess I respond to what I see with dismay rather than anger. But others - many and growing - have fewer inhibitions.

[Lord Kangana]

Hounding Megson out is coming back to bite us.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

You don't have to obsess about their shape v your shape, do they have overlapping wingers, they they like to play two or three passes through midfield. Not to knock that approach, but you don't need dossiers. Clough said he never bothered with tactics. Ferguson will say he hasn't changed his tactics depending who he plays.

Whereas Clough's bete noir Don Revie thrived on research; so, more palatably, did the only man in two decades to top Fergie for two successive seasons – some forriner called Mourinho.

Wait, there was a game today?!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It's a picture of mismanagement and he is out of ideas

Reminded of Ned Flanders' beatnik parents wailing "we've tried nuthin' and we're all out of ideas"

Sorry Owen, I don't hate you but please leave. Even Tigger must lose his bounce.

[Dr.Karl]

So I've just come back from Larndern. And I still have no idea what formation we played. I don't think Coyle knew either. Honestly it was that bemusing. If Coyle stays here then Gartside is as incompetent as him. Pratley wtf were you doing? Really you have to see this colossal misstep. Felt for Eagles after he missed his pen, you could see his confidence drain away. He is like the Cristanio Ronaldo of this league in terms of his swagger and status. They really hated him for that reason I think.

As a matchday experience Millwall is the fecking dumps. Literally you're shepherded from the station to the ground. No pubs around the ground, no food near the ground, no local flavour just an urban wasteland. And the sad feckers waited to bait the penned back Bolton fans. Horrible, horrible, horrible.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

It's a picture of mismanagement and he is out of ideas

Reminded of Ned Flanders' beatnik parents wailing "we've tried nuthin' and we're all out of ideas"

Sorry Owen, I don't hate you but please leave. Even Tigger must lose his bounce.

Very true.He's tried the same things repeatedly inspite of them blatantly not looking like working.I'm sure that's supposed to be a sign of madness and coyle is now one step beyond.

Sorry I'll get my coat

[Mar]

Sorry Mar having a bad day.

Yes I meant the Leeds game and no I didnt make that clear

No worries, need a bit of light hearted banter on here after our run of form otherwise well be tearing our hair out.

[Prufrock]

just back from Millwall.

Another dreadfully disappointing performance.

Our first half display deserved a gold award for ineptitude. We were dismal.

The second half saw us equalise early, go onto the attack. Get a pen. Miss it.

Still the game, for half an hour, was mostly ours.

but no one with a single eye could claim we deserved victory. We were in the same league as Millwall - from the bottom three - for most of the game, and, in the first half, were bossed by them for long periods. On serious chances Millwall could have had 2 or 3.

The discontent among the supporters is spreading and getting more vocal. I don't have it in me to join in 'Coyle out' chants. I guess I respond to what I see with dismay rather than anger. But others - many and growing - have fewer inhibitions.

I heard you had a nice chat about Ibsen though?

[Prufrock]

You don't have to obsess about their shape v your shape, do they have overlapping wingers, they they like to play two or three passes through midfield. Not to knock that approach, but you don't need dossiers. Clough said he never bothered with tactics. Ferguson will say he hasn't changed his tactics depending who he plays.

Whereas Clough's bete noir Don Revie thrived on research; so, more palatably, did the only man in two decades to top Fergie for two successive seasons – some forriner called Mourinho.

Wait, there was a game today?!

Indeed. And I happen to think you might as well compile the dossier even if you don't use it. I also think there is a bit of the 'cult of the personality' about claims not to ever do tactics. That said, both had and have a great deal of success without ever worrying that much about the opposition. They get their own lot playing well. That is the most important thing (though the rest helps). If you don't call that tactics, then tactics aren't the most important thing. As said above, that'd be all right if Beano had got that right...

[Worthy4England]

The manager said "In the second half, we played ever so well, but it's becoming a reoccurring theme. We were not clinical. We created good chances..."

What the recurring theme is, is that we conceded two goals or more, again. 7 times out of 11 competitive matches, we've conceded at least two, whereas in no game have we managed to score three.

The 4 games we've limited a team to one goal or less, we have 9 points from, which as any fule no, is better than 2 points per game.

Try stopping leaking goals, you clueless Muppet.

[Hoboh]

“The bottom line is that if you’re not winning games, then you leave yourself open for criticism,” he said.
“But with all due respect, it’s from people who come and watch the game. It’s an opinion but because it’s an opinion it doesn’t make it right.
“If they are not from a footballing background, then that happens. You take it on the chin as you always do.
“As fans, I understand because I'm one myself, but you look at a game and think 'we didn't win' and then put your own spin on it from there.
“But because we are involved in football and know everything that goes with it, we can see how well we played, how good the performance was, and what ultimately took it away from us.“We remain focussed, we know we have the quality to win games. And that's what we need to do – go and win them. Then the whole outlook changes very quickly.”

Bullshit! who do you think you are? Gary Megson

[Sponge]

The manager said "In the second half, we played ever so well, but it's becoming a reoccurring theme. We were not clinical. We created good chances..."

What the recurring theme is, is that we conceded two goals or more, again. 7 times out of 11 competitive matches, we've conceded at least two, whereas in no game have we managed to score three.

The 4 games we've limited a team to one goal or less, we have 9 points from, which as any fule no, is better than 2 points per game.

Try stopping leaking goals, you clueless Muppet.

Fecking hell.