Aaaaaaaaanyway, Norwich at Home.

[elfil76]

Was on vacation when i saw result on telly, first thing came to my mind was - every bad run can be reversed by playing trotters these days. Not wathing the game kindda cushioned the impact. I need another vacation soon.

[DJBlu]

Optimism head back on.

We are going thru a stinker of a run. I remember we had a few of these with all our previous managers.

Things surely can only get better.

I said to myself before this monster of a start I would be happy with 4 points, grim I know but I really didn't expect much.

Onwards and upwards.

Getting married next Saturday so we'll shit Arsenal cause I can't watch.

Europe here we come.

[Peter Thompson]

I wonder if there are any out of contract goalkeepers or LB's available in Europe who OC could bring in.

If I was Coyle I'd get the scouts on it asap, because Alonso isn't any better than Robinson and he's got his court case on top
of his injury so I can't see him playing much this season and we can't continue with Robinson, and if Bogdan really isn't good enough then we also can't continue with glue foot in goal all season either, you almost expect every shot or cross to result in a goal - so OC may need to look at a couple of free transfers asap.

Does anyone know if Sam Ricketts has played LB before....

[thebish]

and thanks to results today we are now in the relegation zone...

[Wire.Wanderer]

Does anyone know if Sam Ricketts has played LB before....

I think he has played LB before but not 100% sure.

[officer_dibble]

The elephant in the room.

haven't
recovered
from
wembley

now sort it out mr motivator

[officer_dibble]

Oh, and how depressing is it zat knight is coyles vice captain. we drop shithouse davies and that c*nts in charge. couldnt captain a dinghy etc etc. and further worries about coyle and his favourites...what has wheater got to do to get a gsme?

[BWFC_Insane]

Well we are 19th now, off the bottom by virtue of goals scored!

And that's thanks to Fulham taking a point from City having been two down. Funny cos I thought teams like us and Fulham should just accept our lot against the top sides.....

[Worthy4England]

I just hope it's not too late

How many points were you expecting from the first seven... I'm guessing we're currently less than or equal to three short...
and yesterday was a poor showing... but we weren't ever getting feck all from off ; Utd, Citeh, the scousers and probably Chelsea the Arse
because we never do...
May be we've had the opportunity to alight on the personnel changes required for the rest of the year during a run of games where neither we or any of our principle
bottom eight competitors will get owt.....

Too late? -- Too feck late? -- it's September we've not even changed the clocks yet.. and we've only played two likely to be winnable fixtures...

Think there's something in this Norm. Pointswise I think I was calculating 4 and we have three. It was the manner of the defeat yesterday that was so disappointing.

[Worthy4England]

Well we are 19th now, off the bottom by virtue of goals scored!

And that's thanks to Fulham taking a point from City having been two down. Funny cos I thought teams like us and Fulham should just accept our lot against the top sides.....

Well not quite. We didn't put a bad showing in against City ourselves, only getting beat by one goal if you remember?

[BWFC_Insane]

Well we are 19th now, off the bottom by virtue of goals scored!

And that's thanks to Fulham taking a point from City having been two down. Funny cos I thought teams like us and Fulham should just accept our lot against the top sides.....

Well not quite. We didn't put a bad showing in against City ourselves, only getting beat by one goal if you remember?

And we would have taken a point bar some pathetic defending which is a recurring problem!

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

William the White reports on our Canary catching gone wrong.

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It was certainly a disappointing start to my Bolton-watching season.

I thought we looked poor with our 11-men on. Tuncay was completely ineffective on the right for us, and I can't see him becoming a regular in any position, on that evidence - Too lightweight, not tough enough and not decisive enough. And it's really not good to see Pratley starting in that midfield. I can't see that he brings anything - no pace, not a great passer, not a great tackler, nothing. I'd much rather start Muamba there for the mobility. I can understand people saying that Muamba plus Reo Coker looks too defensive, and ordinarily I'd agree, but I can't see that Pratley offers anything more going forward.

The problems with Davies, even if slightly exaggerated, are well-rehearsed by now.

Klasnic was stupid and the conventional wisdom seems to be that doing that is a sending off (though as Bruce said today - in what sense can what he did be considered 'violent' conduct? Did anyone else see Davies make that point in a hilariously vivid way by doing exactly the same to Howard Webb?!). But it's so frustrating that Tierney can't be cited and punished for his ridiculous reaction so that that sort of nonsense can't be stamped out.

Positives - Ngog looks like he can do a job for us. What I hadn't really appreciated is what a big, strong lad he is. I was impressed by how he was able to hold it up and lay it off - I didn't realise that was part of his game. He looks to have 'genuine' pace too, something we've been lacking for about 15 years now.

And Boyata looks a great prospect to me (despite being the marker who lost his man for
their second goal). So much so that I can see it feeling like a real blow if he is recalled in Jan.

[Wandering Willy]

And Boyata looks a great prospect to me (despite being the marker who lost his man for
their second goal). So much so that I can see it feeling like a real blow if he is recalled in Jan.

Come on Mummy haven't you read the script?

Defensive errors are all Robinson's fault with assistance from Zat Knight.

[Choppers]

Klasnic was stupid and the conventional wisdom seems to be that doing that is a sending off (though as Bruce said today - in what sense can what he did be considered 'violent' conduct? Did anyone else see Davies make that point in a hilariously vivid way by doing exactly the same to Howard Webb?!). But it's so frustrating that Tierney can't be cited and punished for his ridiculous reaction so that that sort of nonsense can't be stamped out.

It can be stamped out by players not being absolute morons. Klasnic has been about and he plays football TODAY, meaning he knows about all the play acting. He's a moron and he should be fined for his stupidity.

You can't blame the officials for carrying out the letter of the law. I agree that Tierney made a meal of it, but that's how the game is played these days. You either wise up and keep the temper at bay, or you miss 3 games through suspension.

[plymouth wanderer]

i agree he should be fined he should know about all the play acting he does it often enough himself if your gonna nut him nut the fvcker properly

[hisroyalgingerness]

Well we are 19th now, off the bottom by virtue of goals scored!

And that's thanks to Fulham taking a point from City having been two down. Funny cos I thought teams like us and Fulham should just accept our lot against the top sides.....

Well not quite. We didn't put a bad showing in against City ourselves, only getting beat by one goal if you remember?

Same amount of points...

[Worthy4England]

And Boyata looks a great prospect to me (despite being the marker who lost his man for
their second goal). So much so that I can see it feeling like a real blow if he is recalled in Jan.

Come on Mummy haven't you read the script?

Defensive errors are all Robinson's fault with assistance from Zat Knight.

Not true. Robinson is only at fault for the ones he's at fault for. Which by some strange coincedence of him being a bit shit, is most of them. Most teams in the Division have cottoned on to this.

[jimbo_bwfc]

Last bit is definitely true, I'd love to see the statistics for the amount of attacks coming down the oppositions right-wing whether it be from passing it out there or long balls over the top of Robinson. Certainly always seems to be down that side of the pitch. That isn't ALL on Robinson, but probably a culmination of the fact that Robinson is more than beatable for both pace and positioning, Knight is the closest defender to Robbo to come across and he's hardly and cover and Petrov doesn't track back. Weakest area of the pitch.

Not too much we can do to improve it with the players at our disposal till January, smartest thing to do would seem to stick another midfielder in there and then one can quite easily drop off whether it be down the left or right, not have to worry about Petrov or whoever is on the right tracking back as much. Just offers that little bit more cover and stability in the middle. Also offers whoever is in front of them a little more licence to go forward.

[Worthy4England]

Last bit is definitely true, I'd love to see the statistics for the amount of attacks coming down the oppositions right-wing whether it be from passing it out there or long balls over the top of Robinson. Certainly always seems to be down that side of the pitch. That isn't ALL on Robinson, but probably a culmination of the fact that Robinson is more than beatable for both pace and positioning, Knight is the closest defender to Robbo to come across and he's hardly and cover and Petrov doesn't track back. Weakest area of the pitch.

Not too much we can do to improve it with the players at our disposal till January, smartest thing to do would seem to stick another midfielder in there and then one can quite easily drop off whether it be down the left or right, not have to worry about Petrov or whoever is on the right tracking back as much. Just offers that little bit more cover and stability in the middle. Also offers whoever is in front of them a little more licence to go forward.

Would agree with this.

We look more solid with NRC and Muamba (or Holden and Muamba) than we do without them. I don't have anything against Robbo particularly, think he tries hard and puts in, as much effort as he's capable of. But he's along way from being as good as Gardner was and I don't think he's genuine Premiership class.

Petrov is great going up the pitch but not as good heading t'other way, although he seems to be trying harder at this aspect of his game this season.

Knight does some great covering back, but is prone to make at least one bollock-drop per game and that often costs us.

Organisationally we're a complete shambles. It's like OC has read a book on defensive marking, written by Benitez and Wenger, and taken the worst bit from both camps to come up with a zonal "express yourselves" marking system.

[Prufrock]

Last bit is definitely true, I'd love to see the statistics for the amount of attacks coming down the oppositions right-wing whether it be from passing it out there or long balls over the top of Robinson. Certainly always seems to be down that side of the pitch. That isn't ALL on Robinson, but probably a culmination of the fact that Robinson is more than beatable for both pace and positioning, Knight is the closest defender to Robbo to come across and he's hardly and cover and Petrov doesn't track back. Weakest area of the pitch.

Not too much we can do to improve it with the players at our disposal till January, smartest thing to do would seem to stick another midfielder in there and then one can quite easily drop off whether it be down the left or right, not have to worry about Petrov or whoever is on the right tracking back as much. Just offers that little bit more cover and stability in the middle. Also offers whoever is in front of them a little more licence to go forward.

Would agree with this.

We look more solid with NRC and Muamba (or Holden and Muamba) than we do without them. I don't have anything against Robbo particularly, think he tries hard and puts in, as much effort as he's capable of. But he's along way from being as good as Gardner was and I don't think he's genuine Premiership class.

Petrov is great going up the pitch but not as good heading t'other way, although he seems to be trying harder at this aspect of his game this season.

Knight does some great covering back, but is prone to make at least one bollock-drop per game and that often costs us.

Organisationally we're a complete shambles. It's like OC has read a book on defensive marking, written by Benitez and Wenger, and taken the worst bit from both camps to come up with a zonal "express yourselves" marking system.

I'd pretty much go along with this. I've leapt to Robbo's defence a lot, because I think the reason opponents clearly target our left side isn't just because he is limited, but because he is isolated as well. I think, in fairness it seems Petrov is trying to cover a lot more, he is just useless at it, and Knight is very wary of stepping across to leave himself exposed. It isn't a good combination. I can't see why Reo Coker is playing on the right of the midfield two. He should be out there too. Need sorting, and quickly. Because if Robbo is limited, then Alonso is worse. By far.