Freedman out!

[boltonboris]

Payments to agents

Well if they prove something is dodgy about that then he really is screwed. He can get a pundit job in the Middle east with Keys and Gray though, all is not lost.

It certainly won't be the Far East!!

Cardiff have halted a number of payments regarding 3 signings. Cornelius, Medel and some other kid I'd never heard of, whilst their lawyers do some background work.

All out in the public before I get told off by the mods

[LeverEnd]

It's the tactical masterplan, spoil the game with dour defensive shite and have a star up front for that 'bit of magic' to get you a 1 nil.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yeah but, and it's hypothetical of course, but how would they have got on without Wilfred Thunderboots?

Zaha

But also 4 Freedman signings:
Jedinak
Murray
Bolasie
Delaney

Were all immense for Palace that season.

Part of the reason I sort of wonder about what some come out with is that we don't have ANY players of that quality. Freedman may be entirely to blame for that but it doesn't change that within this squad should we change manager there is STILL a severe lack of quality.

What we've got IMO is enough solid players to hang around the 3/4 genuine quality players and be successful. But they're all looking for that quality to do the things they can't. Mark Davies is potentially in that category but how many games will he play? But he's the only one.

[ChrisC]

(and they seem to have done better since he left).

I don't rate Dougie as much as the next fan but that isn't really true.. When he left Palace they were flying high. Holloway came in and tried his best to not get Palace up after looking dead certs under Dougie. When they got up they was lucky Holloway walked away and Pulis came in to save the day.

So they've done better since he left then!

Technically yes but they would have more than likely been up automatically if Freedman had stayed rather then scraping the playoffs.

Yeah but, and it's hypothetical of course, but how would they have got on without Wilfred Thunderboots?

With his falling over in the box, they were world beaters in this league

Don't really rate the guy myself. Will never make it at the top.

[IggyTheDawgster]

It's the energy and motivation that bothers me most.

You never see players bollocking each other, they don't move for each other, WE STILL BACK OFF FAR TOO MUCH. They seem like eleven strangers who sometimes, not very often, have a moment of connection on the field. That has to be down to the coaching for me, they spend enough time together training and riding bikes and canoeing in sunny foreign lands.....you get the point.

Either something is very wrong with the training and coaching side of things or they don't want to play for him. I don't know, but you'd think any half decent manager could at least motivate a team to work for each other-they just don't seem bothered.

[a1]

I often came away from games we'd won feeling we'd got lucky rather than earned it.

folk said that when the ginger bastard were here, and when mr. shorts clappy man were manager- then, it was definitely true.

carnt really blame that trait on mr. freedman.

i reckon it's tim ream's fault , but folk won't take me on. maybe i can "i told you so" in three years time.

if they sack him (douglas) , i reckon he'll (ream) still play. but it could be worse, muamba could still be on the bench.

:/

[Harry Genshaw]

Amazes me when people confidently predict what would have happened. The reality is though, who fecking knows.

Absolutely. What month was it when Freedman left Palace to come to us? November? Given what we've seen during his tenure here, how anyone can assume he would have taken them up 6 months later is beyond me.

[jaffka]

It does appear that people are at best, tiring of him.

[Puskas]

I'm growing to love him more and more each day.

[EverSoYouri]

Comments about the general standard of player left at the club are fair enough, but I'd argue that what we have is good enough to be on the fringe of the play-offs if they're managed well. Freedman is too much the Tinkerman for me to believe he has a clear vision of what his best team is or how to set it up.

On the subject of Tim Ream, I have argued since he arrived that his position is in front of the back four - he's not a central defender and as a full back, he's been left isolated these past few games, but he can get a tackle in and his distribution is better than most of our midfielders, let alone his fellow defenders. In other words, he's a poor man's Campo (and that's something we need right now).

[ChrisC]

Edit.. wrong topic

[boltonboris]

The thought of Ream in midfield wasting (even more) possession and getting outfought strikes me with dread to be honest.

Not sure where this 'good distribution' tag comes from.

[EverSoYouri]

The thought of Ream in midfield wasting (even more) possession and getting outfought strikes me with dread to be honest.

Not sure where this 'good distribution' tag comes from.

To some extent we see what we expect/want to see, especially when we've decided to scapegoat a player.

For my money, Ream is more comfortable on the ball and can pick and deliver a pass better than any of those around him. A little more movement from our midfield (that is, movement into space and asking for the ball, rather than movement that involves just pointing at others) would help us build from the back (as Dougie claims to want us to do).

[Prufrock]

Being less likely to aimlessly nice person it forward than Matt Mills does not a Championship midfielder make.

[SmokinFrazier]

Freedman's time at Crystal Palace does not stand up to scrutiny. I's factually true that he took over the club when they were near the relegation zone and when he left, they were near the top, but this is deceptive on both counts. When Freedman did leave, many Palace fans were annoyed because he betrayed them but they weren't annoyed that they'd lost a great manager and despite him being a club legend, many of their fans wanted him to be sacked because of their awful end to 11/12 and similar start to 12/13. In 12 games - with a very good squad - they managed a mere 3 points which is why Palace fans wanted him sacked, and rightly so too. In his only full season in charge, Palace undeniably underachieved given the quality they had by finishing 17th and when Freedman left Palace after this supposed brilliant start that certain people want to always bring up, their record was 6 wins, 4 draws and 3 losses so it was hardly exceptional.

Freedman didn't do a good job at Palace. Take away the win over a terrible United side in the League Cup and that start to the season in 12/13 and what is left to boast about? Nothing. It's no wonder Freedman jumped at the chance to join us for big money, even if it did mean betraying Palace.

[LeverEnd]

Freedman's time at Crystal Palace does not stand up to scrutiny. I's factually true that he took over the club when they were near the relegation zone and when he left, they were near the top, but this is deceptive on both counts. When Freedman did leave, many Palace fans were annoyed because he betrayed them but they weren't annoyed that they'd lost a great manager and despite him being a club legend, many of their fans wanted him to be sacked because of their awful end to 11/12 and similar start to 12/13. In 12 games - with a very good squad - they managed a mere 3 points which is why Palace fans wanted him sacked, and rightly so too. In his only full season in charge, Palace undeniably underachieved given the quality they had by finishing 17th and when Freedman left Palace after this supposed brilliant start that certain people want to always bring up, their record was 6 wins, 4 draws and 3 losses so it was hardly exceptional.

Freedman didn't do a good job at Palace. Take away the win over a terrible United side in the League Cup and that start to the season in 12/13 and what is left to boast about? Nothing. It's no wonder Freedman jumped at the chance to join us for big money, even if it did mean betraying Palace.

The CP chairman was asked why he didn't try to match our offer and keep him and he replied quite simply that he had spent months resisting calls to sack him and he still had a lot to prove with the season only a few weeks in. In other words he wasn't worth it. It appears he made the correct call.

[Lord Kangana]

I thought it was for the safety of his family or something?

[LeverEnd]

I thought it was for the safety of his family or something?

Yes, and did Parish care? Not a jot the horrible barsteward.

[BWFC_Insane]

Freedman's time at Crystal Palace does not stand up to scrutiny. I's factually true that he took over the club when they were near the relegation zone and when he left, they were near the top, but this is deceptive on both counts. When Freedman did leave, many Palace fans were annoyed because he betrayed them but they weren't annoyed that they'd lost a great manager and despite him being a club legend, many of their fans wanted him to be sacked because of their awful end to 11/12 and similar start to 12/13. In 12 games - with a very good squad - they managed a mere 3 points which is why Palace fans wanted him sacked, and rightly so too. In his only full season in charge, Palace undeniably underachieved given the quality they had by finishing 17th and when Freedman left Palace after this supposed brilliant start that certain people want to always bring up, their record was 6 wins, 4 draws and 3 losses so it was hardly exceptional.

Freedman didn't do a good job at Palace. Take away the win over a terrible United side in the League Cup and that start to the season in 12/13 and what is left to boast about? Nothing. It's no wonder Freedman jumped at the chance to join us for big money, even if it did mean betraying Palace.

There is a lot of opinion there dressed up as "undeniable" fact.

The only fact is he took over a team in the bottom three and when he left they were top of the division.

There are subtleties and nuances to everything. He may well have just struck lucky. But you are taking an incredibly one sided view.

I could easily say "any manager in the world would promote a side with Ings and Vokes in it". Quite possibly that is the case. But certainly isn't close to being factual or "undeniable".

[BWFC_Insane]

Freedman's time at Crystal Palace does not stand up to scrutiny. I's factually true that he took over the club when they were near the relegation zone and when he left, they were near the top, but this is deceptive on both counts. When Freedman did leave, many Palace fans were annoyed because he betrayed them but they weren't annoyed that they'd lost a great manager and despite him being a club legend, many of their fans wanted him to be sacked because of their awful end to 11/12 and similar start to 12/13. In 12 games - with a very good squad - they managed a mere 3 points which is why Palace fans wanted him sacked, and rightly so too. In his only full season in charge, Palace undeniably underachieved given the quality they had by finishing 17th and when Freedman left Palace after this supposed brilliant start that certain people want to always bring up, their record was 6 wins, 4 draws and 3 losses so it was hardly exceptional.

Freedman didn't do a good job at Palace. Take away the win over a terrible United side in the League Cup and that start to the season in 12/13 and what is left to boast about? Nothing. It's no wonder Freedman jumped at the chance to join us for big money, even if it did mean betraying Palace.

The CP chairman was asked why he didn't try to match our offer and keep him and he replied quite simply that he had spent months resisting calls to sack him and he still had a lot to prove with the season only a few weeks in. In other words he wasn't worth it. It appears he made the correct call.

They did make him an offer, or at least IIRC they claimed at the time to have done. They just wouldn't "match ours" because they are more interested in the financial wellbeing of the club. Or so they claim.

Let us bear in mind that this same Chairman has just binned off Pulis. Perhaps we shouldn't go near anyone Parish has decided "he doesn't like"?