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[Bijou Bob]

Let's be honest with ourselves. The past 3 or 4 seasons we've stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Without Sturridge last year we'd have gone down. To lose 2 of our most important players and have others shackled by injuries, it was always going to be hard, if not impossible.

Yes, the manager is tactically naieve at times, but we are where we are because we aren't good enough, haven't got enough money to buy improvement and will struggle to compete for many years to come. I'm looking forward to Burnley next year already. When it comes to it, so will all of you.

[Bijou Bob]

Let's be honest with ourselves. The past 3 or 4 seasons we've stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Without Sturridge last year we'd have gone down. To lose 2 of our most important players and have others shackled by injuries, it was always going to be hard, if not impossible.

Yes, the manager is tactically naieve at times, but we are where we are because we aren't good enough, haven't got enough money to buy improvement and will struggle to compete for many years to come. I'm looking forward to Burnley next year already. When it comes to it, so will all of you.

[Sponge]

CALM DOWN EVERYONE, I JUST READ THE SUDS IN THE BOTTOM OF MY NINTH PINT OF ALE AND IT TOLD ME WE WILL WIN NEXT WEEK AND QPR WILL LOSE!

WE'RE STAYING, BOLTON'S STAYING UP, ETC...

[Gail Platz]

Let's be honest with ourselves. The past 3 or 4 seasons we've stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Without Sturridge last year we'd have gone down. To lose 2 of our most important players and have others shackled by injuries, it was always going to be hard, if not impossible.

Yes, the manager is tactically naieve at times, but we are where we are because we aren't good enough, haven't got enough money to buy improvement and will struggle to compete for many years to come. I'm looking forward to Burnley next year already. When it comes to it, so will all of you.

Can't argue with that. When you put it into perspective, we must have spent on average about £3m per player in the side when you look at sides around us (QPR) throwing money at players, Villa spending £24m on Bent and only being 3 points above us and Stoke spending £20m on strikers.... hell, even Wolves spent £13m on theirs and players like Stephen Hunt and Roger Johnson weren't cheap and look where they are.

You get what you pay for. We've been the exception to that for some time and now it's finally hit us.

[TANGODANCER]

CALM DOWN EVERYONE, I JUST READ THE SUDS IN THE BOTTOM OF MY NINTH PINT OF ALE AND IT TOLD ME WE WILL WIN NEXT WEEK AND QPR WILL LOSE!
WE'RE STAYING, BOLTON'S STAYING UP, ETC...

I just wasted two hours of my life watching Return of the Seven. Okay, I'll saddle up my trusty steed once more and ride along with that. What Yul Brynner and six blokes can do against two hundred bandits, the Whites can do. Fairy tales happen, we're staying up. (Cough.) QPR won't beat City with the Championship at stake. Last roll of the dice.

[Sponge]

CALM DOWN EVERYONE, I JUST READ THE SUDS IN THE BOTTOM OF MY NINTH PINT OF ALE AND IT TOLD ME WE WILL WIN NEXT WEEK AND QPR WILL LOSE!
WE'RE STAYING, BOLTON'S STAYING UP, ETC...

I just wasted two hours of my life watching Return of the Seven. Okay, I'll saddle up my trusty steed once more and ride along with that. What Yul Brynner and six blokes can do against two hundred bandits, the Whites can do. Fairy tales happen, we're staying up. (Cough.) QPR won't beat City with the Championship at stake. Last roll of the dice.

Yul Brynner: what I'd do to have that sweet bald skull on the end of one of Petrov's pearlers in the 91st minute (or, in fact, any minute) next week.

[BWFC_Insane]

Let's be honest with ourselves. The past 3 or 4 seasons we've stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Without Sturridge last year we'd have gone down. To lose 2 of our most important players and have others shackled by injuries, it was always going to be hard, if not impossible.

Yes, the manager is tactically naieve at times, but we are where we are because we aren't good enough, haven't got enough money to buy improvement and will struggle to compete for many years to come. I'm looking forward to Burnley next year already. When it comes to it, so will all of you.

That's been he case for the 11 years we have been punching above our weight in the top flight.

But Norwich and Swansea only demonstrate what decent management can get you.

Coyle is not good enough or astute enough to keep us up. The frustration is he's chucked away 11 years hard work when it wasn't really necessary. We are going down because we've inflicted in upon ourselves, NOT because the other teams are so good and have spent loads....

[wanderers_on_tour]

Let's be honest with ourselves. The past 3 or 4 seasons we've stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Without Sturridge last year we'd have gone down. To lose 2 of our most important players and have others shackled by injuries, it was always going to be hard, if not impossible.

Yes, the manager is tactically naieve at times, but we are where we are because we aren't good enough, haven't got enough money to buy improvement and will struggle to compete for many years to come. I'm looking forward to Burnley next year already. When it comes to it, so will all of you.

That's been he case for the 11 years we have been punching above our weight in the top flight.

But Norwich and Swansea only demonstrate what decent management can get you.

Coyle is not good enough or astute enough to keep us up. The frustration is he's chucked away 11 years hard work when it wasn't really necessary. We are going down because we've inflicted in upon ourselves, NOT because the other teams are so good and have spent loads....

I've never been too certain just how much good management from a tactical, formation stand point plays a part come kick off and so am always a bit reluctant to place all the blame on the managers themselves when players are either going through a dip in form or have merely been flattering to deceive. Sure it all matters to some degree, but whether they can be a decisive denominator in winning or losing a match (or having a similar effect the course of a season) i've never been completely sure.

IMO it often appears that managers 'get lucky' and some are just the right man at the right time, or just the right personality (i.e Di Matteo) at Chelsea. Even Pardew at Newcastle has only made the odd changes here and there although they have played a blinder in the transfer market. This is why i've always been abit slow to criticise Coyle, and was probably a bit slow on the uptake i.e Megson but recent months (February onwards) have set the warning lights good and proper.

When he was appointed manager Owen hardly moved mountains from a tactical point of view but what he did do was add a refreshing air of positivity, both to the players and to the fans. Whilst we we're credited at the time for playing 'nice football' I feel this was more due to the confidence in the side and players actually wanting the ball and having no fear in testing opposition defences than it was to a difference in work in the training ground or instruction from the sideline. Throughout the majority of this season it is obvious Coyle's positivity and motivation has wandered, and the players don't seem to have that air of confidence they once had. At times we've showed spirit (Stoke/Blackburn home come to mind) but it seems our motivation has often had to come from outside influences and other factors than merely the management and coaching staff.

Overall tactical naivety isn't the nail I believe Owen will be crucified with, although i'm more than happy for others to try and convince me otherwise. For me what has really done it for him, and for our side, is the disappearence of his main managerial asset, his man management. A couple of years back I felt he was the manager to become our David Moyes, that he'd be given the reigns at the club for our long term future and, although there would be times when some of us would stray, the fans as a whole would stick with him and we could go from strength to strength. I still wish the man the best, and in my heart of hearts I still want him to keep us up, find his old self and push on next year with that same self belief and infectous charisma he had when he joined as manager. Alas I think the reality will be quite different.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think thats a decent post. But ultimately 'infectious charisma' only takes you so far. You are right in that the most worrying thing is that he seems to have lost the spirit within the club that even in the hardest times was always there before. Too many worrying tales that players don't respect him and sadly the sources become more and more reliable.

He's never stayed at a club for long and I am beginning to see why. Comes in on a wave of positivity and charisma but once his decisions, tactical and buying are tested over a period he looks incredibly lacking. Were it just tactical nous then we could get someone to help him. But his worst trait so far is he awful waste of money he's spent on players. Ngog, Eagles, Sordell, Alonso, Ream, Wheater, Mears. Lot spent there, nothing that would really help keep you in the division which was his job!

[Hoboh]

RIP PREMIER LEAGUE

2001 - 2012

"Slain by the hand of Coyle"

[Sponge]

I think thats a decent post. But ultimately 'infectious charisma' only takes you so far. You are right in that the most worrying thing is that he seems to have lost the spirit within the club that even in the hardest times was always there before. Too many worrying tales that players don't respect him and sadly the sources become more and more reliable.

He's never stayed at a club for long and I am beginning to see why. Comes in on a wave of positivity and charisma but once his decisions, tactical and buying are tested over a period he looks incredibly lacking. Were it just tactical nous then we could get someone to help him. But his worst trait so far is he awful waste of money he's spent on players. Ngog, Eagles, Sordell, Alonso, Ream, Wheater, Mears. Lot spent there, nothing that would really help keep you in the division which was his job!

Let's not forget his signing of Nigel Reo-Coker on a free who has played almost every minute of this season and been one of our most consistent performers. Or Stuart Holden on a free, one of the stand-out performers in the whole of the Premier League last season. Or Martin Petrov, officially player of the season. Or Daniel Sturridge on loan who scored 8 out of 12 for us last season.

FFS.

Generally I can't be bothered to argue with you—you have your opinions, you're not going to change them, and, frankly, I have better things to do (unlike Bish ), but it really does get tiring listening to shite like this over and over again.

[Harry Genshaw]

Comes in on a wave of positivity and charisma but once his decisions, tactical and buying are tested over a period he looks incredibly lacking. Were it just tactical nous then we could get someone to help him. But his worst trait so far is he awful waste of money he's spent on players. Ngog, Eagles, Sordell, Alonso, Ream, Wheater, Mears. Lot spent there, nothing that would really help keep you in the division which was his job!

This. I've cut Coyle a lot of slack and tended to put most of our poor performances down to lack of finances as much as anything. The alarms really started to ring for me at Wembley though. If he couldn't motivate the players in a cup semi final then perhaps he wasn't the charismatic force I thought he was. Particularly, that once we were 3 down he sat motionless on the bench for the rest of the game.

Of the few wins we've had this season, too many have been the result of the opposition mis firing rather than us closing games out. Today, that luck ran out.

[CAPSLOCK]

Let's not forget his signing of Nigel Reo-Coker on a free who has played almost every minute of this

See, even his positives are easily turned into negatives

Flogging Coker every week maybe why he's now out on his feet

I actually like Wheater and Ream

Eagles has, imo, overachieved

Beyond that, he's signed shite

[Sponge]

Let's not forget his signing of Nigel Reo-Coker on a free who has played almost every minute of this

See, even his positives are easily turned into negatives

Flogging Coker every week maybe why he's now out on his feet

I actually like Wheater and Ream

Eagles has, imo, overachieved

Beyond that, he's signed shite

Stuart Holden = shite? Ivan Klasnic (top scorer this season) = shite? Martin Petrov (player of the season) = shite? Daniel Sturridge = shite? Jack Wilshire = shite?

[Sponge]

BWFC_Insane: Your posts creep me out. I can't really explain it. I think it's something to do with the relentless cynacism and negativity masked behind "common-sense", "plain speaking", "the facts", "the truth", etc., when actually it's often in complete defiance of those things.

[Tombwfc]

Let's not forget his signing of Nigel Reo-Coker on a free who has played almost every minute of this

See, even his positives are easily turned into negatives

Flogging Coker every week maybe why he's now out on his feet

I actually like Wheater and Ream

Eagles has, imo, overachieved

Beyond that, he's signed shite

Stuart Holden = shite? Ivan Klasnic (top scorer this season) = shite? Martin Petrov (player of the season) = shite? Daniel Sturridge = shite? Jack Wilshire = shite?

He's signed seven of the players in today's first team (Bogdan could also be reasonably described as 'his man' considering he chose him over Jussi and Al Habsi). Around about £15mil worth of players he's signed in the team and on the bench, with £3mil more left out completely because he's decided he's not good enough. We're 18th.

He's either signed shite, or he's completely inept at how to use the players he has signed.

Or both, actually.

[Hoboh]

BWFC_Insane: Your posts creep me out. I can't really explain it. I think it's something to do with the relentless cynacism and negativity masked behind "common-sense", "plain speaking", "the facts", "the truth", etc., when actually it's often in complete defiance of those things.

wEL LHE MIGHT be a little weird; but he's telling the truth

[CAPSLOCK]

Let's not forget his signing of Nigel Reo-Coker on a free who has played almost every minute of this

See, even his positives are easily turned into negatives

Flogging Coker every week maybe why he's now out on his feet

I actually like Wheater and Ream

Eagles has, imo, overachieved

Beyond that, he's signed shite

Stuart Holden = shite? Ivan Klasnic (top scorer this season) = shite? Martin Petrov (player of the season) = shite? Daniel Sturridge = shite? Jack Wilshire = shite?

Fair enough, Holden and Petrov get ticks, though it took Petrov nearly 3 years

For your Sturridge and Wilshere, I'll have Kakuta and Myaichi

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

do you know what ? feck it.
clearly Coyle is damaged even if we stay up in most peoples eyes on here. and if we go down he's the anti -Christ. so sack him - get Neil Warnock in
but i've just been chatting with a Pompey fan.
at least we've still got a club

[a1]

megson out !!