Watford Away 09/08/2014 - Match Thread

[jaffka]

Lost leopard is a master of the art of summary.

Why thank you,

but now you can go and f**k yourself for taking the p**s on another thread

Did I?
I don't even remember doing that...

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[Lost Leopard Spot]

Lost leopard is a master of the art of summary.

Why thank you,

but now you can go and f**k yourself for taking the p**s on another thread

Did I?
I don't even remember doing that...

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oh dear...

[jaffka]

oh give over, I thought it was funny

[Lost Leopard Spot]

oh give over, I thought it was funny

No. The not remembering it...

[jaffka]

oh give over, I thought it was funny

No. The not remembering it...

oh good

[LeverEnd]

To the Tango list of players who used to be good but aren't under Freedman, I'd add

Craig Davies
Jermaine Beckford
Medo Kamara

I'm also getting the words.... Alex Baptiste.

These were all senior signings with a record in this division. Not one of them has thrived under Freedman. I know what he's getting at.

[Prufrock]

Beckford hasn't been particularly worse here has he? I mean he was good at Leeds, then shit at Leicester (under a manager who looke dgood enough for this league last year) and about as good at Huddersfield as he was for us last year (9 goals).

Craig Davies had a patchy record in this division, not woeful, but he didn't set it alight (other than one game against Brum).

And I didn't know Medo had a record in this division

[BWFC_Insane]

I think you're missing the point a bit and mistaking the manager ( who effectively works there) for the club handling. They'd already had the three musketeers and gone progressively downhill. You reckon the players I mentioned aren't better than what we have now?

Better when? Is Kevin Davies going to score more goals in this league than Beckford? No. He scored less goals a league below.

Is Kevin Davies circa 2005 better? Yes. But we are dealing with the present.

Klasnic was a good goal scorer for a while here. His last season he was completely ineffective. Would he be worth having here now? No. Because he's past it.

I don't know what you're trying to say.

How about reading my post again? It's about the way the club have handled our last four managers. It's about excuses, reasons not to be cheerful 1,2 and 3 ( Megson, Lee and Coyle) and about why they don't put their foot down and just get a manager who manages....is all. It's about comparisons now and back aways, not bring back Kevin Davies and Klasnic. It might just be about being a bit fed us starting the season with a 3-0 loss.....if that's okay. Klasnic played against Premiership competition, we're playing Championship now, and not making much of a job of it so far.

Well I don't get this even more. You're saying that as a premiership side spending loads comparatively, we had better players? Aye.....

And you're saying we should just get a manager who manages.

We were better off in 2005 but that much is obvious. We all know what we'd like to happen but the way to get there is far from clear. Things like 'just bring in a good manager' is somewhat pointless. Who, and how?

The club haven't made decisions deliberately badly. In Coyle they appointed the candidate more or less every Bolton fan was clamouring for. They listened to what fans asked for. It didn't help.

Perhaps you could suggest who you'd like to see the club appoint?

[BWFC_Insane]

To the Tango list of players who used to be good but aren't under Freedman, I'd add

Craig Davies
Jermaine Beckford
Medo Kamara

I'm also getting the words.... Alex Baptiste.

These were all senior signings with a record in this division. Not one of them has thrived under Freedman. I know what he's getting at.

On the other hand, Juke was turfed out of Boro and Douglas turned him into a premiership player. Similar with Dawson. Cuts both ways.

I think Craig Davies is what he always was. A limited trier.

Beckford is what he always was.

Never saw Medo before.

Baptiste was a disappointment I agree.

[LeverEnd]

Beckford hasn't been particularly worse here has he? I mean he was good at Leeds, then shit at Leicester (under a manager who looke dgood enough for this league last year) and about as good at Huddersfield as he was for us last year (9 goals).

Craig Davies had a patchy record in this division, not woeful, but he didn't set it alight (other than one game against Brum).

And I didn't know Medo had a record in this division

Well fair point Medo was too busy playing in the Champions' League! He was supposed to be a real coup signing, but has done very little other than hint at what he might be able to do.
My point is he brought players in with decent reps who turned out to be shite or mediocre. I can't think of anyone who has come here and become noticeably better under DF. Maybe Alonso.

[BWFC_Insane]

Beckford hasn't been particularly worse here has he? I mean he was good at Leeds, then shit at Leicester (under a manager who looke dgood enough for this league last year) and about as good at Huddersfield as he was for us last year (9 goals).

Craig Davies had a patchy record in this division, not woeful, but he didn't set it alight (other than one game against Brum).

And I didn't know Medo had a record in this division

Well fair point Medo was too busy playing in the Champions' League! He was supposed to be a real coup signing, but has done very little other than hint at what he might be able to do.
My point is he brought players in with decent reps who turned out to be shite or mediocre. I can't think of anyone who has come here and become noticeably better under DF. Maybe Alonso.

Mills definitely. Ream definitely.

[TANGODANCER]

Perhaps you could suggest who you'd like to see the club appoint?

To save re-posting 47 quotes and going round the eternal mulberry bush: somebody who'll come in, see what we've got and shake it into performance and at least some effort without needing to sack everybody or get us into more debt. Somebody with drive and a penchant for calling a spade a spade, who can kick some arses and motivate a do or die attitute back into Bolton. Frankly, I don't think Dougie can. Martin O'Neill, Mick McCarthy spring to mind, anybody but jolly ping-pongers or quietly spoken excuse makers. Even Tony Pulis or Roy Keane would be preferable right now.



I read you points, but I also listen to the games, watch where I can, watch higlights and hear what other match goers say. On the whole, not many are happy.

[LeverEnd]

I've no idea who we should appoint, not my job, but that's no reason to not want rid!

[BWFC_Insane]

Perhaps you could suggest who you'd like to see the club appoint?

To save re-posting 47 quotes and going round the eternal mulberry bush: somebody who'll come in, see what we've got and shake it into performance and at least some effort without needing to sack everybody or get us into more debt. Somebody with drive and a penchant for calling a spade a spade, who can kick some arses and motivate a do or die attitute back into Bolton. Frankly, I don't think Dougie can. Martin O'Neill, Mick McCarthy spring to mind, anybody but jolly ping-pongers or quietly spoken excuse makers. Even Tony Pulis or Roy Keane would be preferable right now.



I read you points, but I also listen to the games, watch where I can, watch higlights and hear what other match goers say. On the whole, not many are happy.

I'm not saying you're wrong. But you've named three managers there who wouldn't come here in a million years. Pulls is a premiership manager. O'Neill a national manager. Mick McCarthy has a good gig going at Ipswich.

And I'd rather saw my limbs off with a rusty blade than have that complete liability Roy Keane involved with my football club.

We've no money to go and get a manager. And it is easy to start suggesting names on a message board. Especially pie in the sky names.

We are skint and near the bottom of the championship. We aren't a prospect anymore. Sometimes you have to chow down and accept that the club aren't in a position to make fans 'happy' in the short term. But as we are all supporters we will all be here in ten years time complaining about the latest situation.

[BWFC_Insane]

I've no idea who we should appoint, not my job, but that's no reason to not want rid!

Did you see my post about the pattern at Bolton since Allardyce? Sackings and appointments that have all contributed to a downwards spiral.

One might argue that they weren't the right people. Equally I'm beginning to think we need to just get on with it and accept there isn't a short term fix for our situation.

[LeverEnd]

I've no idea who we should appoint, not my job, but that's no reason to not want rid!

Did you see my post about the pattern at Bolton since Allardyce? Sackings and appointments that have all contributed to a downwards spiral.

One might argue that they weren't the right people. Equally I'm beginning to think we need to just get on with it and accept there isn't a short term fix for our situation.

Can't remember the post, but for every club that has suffered from sacking people there is another that has thrived. I'm not for accepting mediocre results and dull football, so I'd take a chance and aim for the latter.

[BWFC_Insane]

I've no idea who we should appoint, not my job, but that's no reason to not want rid!

Did you see my post about the pattern at Bolton since Allardyce? Sackings and appointments that have all contributed to a downwards spiral.

One might argue that they weren't the right people. Equally I'm beginning to think we need to just get on with it and accept there isn't a short term fix for our situation.

Can't remember the post, but for every club that has suffered from sacking people there is another that has thrived. I'm not for accepting mediocre results and dull football, so I'd take a chance and aim for the latter.

There is a pattern of a new appointment, some short term improvement then a fall backwards and we end up worse than before.

Frankly we've had a great twenty years nobody wants to accept being shite. But we've no money and have tried to halt the decline and failed. Perhaps we just wait it out now and see what happens?

[bobo the clown]

I cannot recall, in 45+ years watching Bolton, of this level of anger/despondency/frustration after one match of a season. We can keep saying "we can't afford to get rid of him" but can we afford to keep him ?

I felt he had 10 games to have a good to decent start. I now think it's less ... way less. But, it's in his hands.

[twilight]

Well I wish Freedman would either get his finger out and start being a decent young manager with potential to be fantastic or fcuk off from my club!
(sorry had to get that off my chest)

[Peter Thompson]

I've no idea who we should appoint, not my job, but that's no reason to not want rid!

Did you see my post about the pattern at Bolton since Allardyce? Sackings and appointments that have all contributed to a downwards spiral.

One might argue that they weren't the right people. Equally I'm beginning to think we need to just get on with it and accept there isn't a short term fix for our situation.

Apathy like this is why the club is in such a fcuking sorry state !

No one currently at the club (owner, chairman, manager or players) appear to give a toss any more about the continual dross served up week after week for the past 3 or 4 seasons - a total lack of leadership from top to bottom (and apparent apathy especially from the chairman)....if the fans start to just turn up, pay their hard earned money & simply put up with whatever is served up on the pitch without voicing their discontent, they may as well just turn the lights off and lock the gates permanently at the Macron.

IMO we are in the position that we are in because we have a deluded, amateur, ultra defensive, dour, apprentice of a manager playing at it - using the club to get his city & guilds in football management.

Sitting back inviting pressure, not pressing, 6 or 7 defensive players every week, continually just playing to contain the opposition, no creativity, no flair....no idea !