wba at home

[William the White]

Premature, I know, but have just come back from our end-of-season-party... an event that's been happening, in differing venues, for about 15 years... I am not very sober...

The event was remarkably upbeat - but, then, all of us had spent most of our lives following the whites in the lower divisions, and relegation wouldn't stop us being there next season, that's for certain - and we had a lot of gallows humour going on...

I knew I wasn't going to stoke. I knew I was walking up Winter Hill with the mob off. I had turned down the offer of getting the tickets.

And now someone has dropped out. There's a ticket going. My friends are insisting I go...

Oh, feck... oh feck... I think I'm going to be at stoke...

[CarlosHernandez]

Well, it is the morning after here in Australia. Woke up feeling shite. We know that next week a win will keep us up, plain and simple. QPR don't have a hope in hell of getting anything from City, but we have at least some hope of 3 points.

We have been battered around this season, and the players are showing it. As long as Petrov and Eagles are on the pitch next week I hold out hope of 3 points. Both have been excellent the last 2 months, and a couple of flashes of brilliance from either could keep us up. False hope? Maybe

[2399]

I too woke up feeling Shite.


I feel like it's my Karmas fault; for some reason a few minutes before thier first goal the camera was on Hodgson.

And for some reason I yelled out 'Eat S*** Roy!'

[BWFC_Insane]

I think thats a decent post. But ultimately 'infectious charisma' only takes you so far. You are right in that the most worrying thing is that he seems to have lost the spirit within the club that even in the hardest times was always there before. Too many worrying tales that players don't respect him and sadly the sources become more and more reliable.

He's never stayed at a club for long and I am beginning to see why. Comes in on a wave of positivity and charisma but once his decisions, tactical and buying are tested over a period he looks incredibly lacking. Were it just tactical nous then we could get someone to help him. But his worst trait so far is he awful waste of money he's spent on players. Ngog, Eagles, Sordell, Alonso, Ream, Wheater, Mears. Lot spent there, nothing that would really help keep you in the division which was his job!

Let's not forget his signing of Nigel Reo-Coker on a free who has played almost every minute of this season and been one of our most consistent performers. Or Stuart Holden on a free, one of the stand-out performers in the whole of the Premier League last season. Or Martin Petrov, officially player of the season. Or Daniel Sturridge on loan who scored 8 out of 12 for us last season.

FFS.

Generally I can't be bothered to argue with you—you have your opinions, you're not going to change them, and, frankly, I have better things to do (unlike Bish ), but it really does get tiring listening to shite like this over and over again.

Aye he's fooking ace. Jesus christ. He's taking us down and you want to argue the toss over free transfers. Petrov has been good for what, the last ten fifteen games? Before that a massive waste of a wage. Nobody is denying NRC and Holden were good signings. But I was highlighting how poorly he has SPENT money.

There isn't a defence for him. The last bloke took a LOT worse consistently from folk on here despite not taking us down or even as close to being down as we are now.

Managers are ultimately judged by results. I'd say that's far more 'common sense' than owe you've spouted.

[Whookam]

And it was Meggo who signed Klasnic.

[Il Pirate]

[50sQuiff]

do you know what ? feck it.
clearly Coyle is damaged even if we stay up in most peoples eyes on here. and if we go down he's the anti -Christ. so sack him - get Neil Warnock in
but i've just been chatting with a Pompey fan.
at least we've still got a club

Infallible logic there mate. We're being set down by an incompetent, who is precluded from criticism because in some theoretical doomsday scenario the club might go bust or hire Neil Warnock?

You're right about one thing: Coyle needs to go whether we stay up or not. The players - who have worked themselves ragged these last 10 games - will be the ones that deserve any plaudits.

You can't argue with the facts, the amount of times Megson brought off a striker to bring on Gavin McCann was countless, and it costed us loads of points. We were notorious for throwing 2-0 leads away that it got to the point where we didn't want to be 2-0 up!

I get where you're coming from, but this has been a consistent problem throughout the whole season. Substitutions with an attacking bias when we need a defensive one. When we're playing 442 and getting overrun with very tired or injured central midfielders in particular. And with only 18 minutes to go!

Now, it's not like we were already set up negatively and trying to defend a lead from the the start of the second half like Megson. Instead, all we need is some basic defensive pragmatism, the likes of which you'll see up and down the leagues every weekend when a team needs to defend a lead.

He also said something along the lines of "well, at least we can now go into the last game of the season knowing that we'll definately need a win rather than just holding on for a draw". This sort of explains today's result. Looks like he probably said that to the lads before the game, so they were all playing as though today didn't really matter, since Stoke was the real game to concentrate on winning.

Not to pick on you Always Hopeful, but I've read a few posts saying "ah well, at least we have to play for the win against Stoke now, so this doesn't really matter". What a bad case of the Sammy Lees we have here

Let's paint a more realistic scenario. We go 1-0 down at Stoke. But because we only need a draw, our heads don't go down and we don't panic. Then, in a late onslaught we manage to grab the equaliser we need to stay up. But because we cocked up against WBA, we've now got to be cavalier against Stoke and more vulnerable to being turned over.

Now, the "rose tinters" and "doom mongers" have been crossing swords on this forum for over 8 years now, so I don't see that changing any time soon. But I'd like to point out to people of the Sammy Lee persuasion, that unrelenting positivity (to the extent you can argue a draw against WBA is better than a win) means you don't bail out of a sinking ship - HMS Owen Coyle - when you still have a chance, but instead get sucked into the vortex and drown.

Nor, unless you believe very strongly in various Buddhist concepts, will any negativity expressed on a forum materially affect the performance or standing of the club as a whole. It's usually just in the interest of talking about football.

[thebish]

Aye he's fooking ace. Jesus christ. He's taking us down and you want to argue the toss over free transfers. Petrov has been good for what, the last ten fifteen games? Before that a massive waste of a wage. Nobody is denying NRC and Holden were good signings. But I was highlighting how poorly he has SPENT money.

There isn't a defence for him. The last bloke took a LOT worse consistently from folk on here despite not taking us down or even as close to being down as we are now.

Managers are ultimately judged by results. I'd say that's far more 'common sense' than owe you've spouted.

here's an idea - maybe you and Sponge are just different kinds of people? Your OTT sarcasm doesn't really do you justice - Sponge did not say that Coyle is ace, let alone "fooking ace". Maybe you and he are simply different - life's like that - some people look for the best in what life throws at them and resists categorising it as all great or all cancerous - some people wallow in the bad and love to pick over the foetid bones, and then beat everyone who has a different perspective with those foetid bones.

Neither is right or wrong - they are, perhaps, just different personality types. Personally, I respond much better to people who can take a smack in the face or a blow to their hopes and dreams - and continue to find a source of hope/joy - even if it is only in gallows-humour.

Clearly that's not the kind of person you wish to present yourself as on this forum - and that's fine.. but I doubt you'll get very far changing Sponge's mind with this kind of OTT reactionary post that really does you no justice.

[jaffka]

Feckin still shellshocked after that yesterday, what a cruel sport it is to one set of supporters and a delight to others.

Elation at the Reebok and despair at Loftus Road, to be totally changed around in the space of a few minutes.

Maybe the same will happen again come this sunday, so COME ON BOLTON.

[Sponge]

And it was Meggo who signed Klasnic.

Megson signed him on loan. Coyle signed him on a proper contract in August 2010.

Hangover's killing me.

[BWFC_Insane]

Aye he's fooking ace. Jesus christ. He's taking us down and you want to argue the toss over free transfers. Petrov has been good for what, the last ten fifteen games? Before that a massive waste of a wage. Nobody is denying NRC and Holden were good signings. But I was highlighting how poorly he has SPENT money.

There isn't a defence for him. The last bloke took a LOT worse consistently from folk on here despite not taking us down or even as close to being down as we are now.

Managers are ultimately judged by results. I'd say that's far more 'common sense' than owe you've spouted.

here's an idea - maybe you and Sponge are just different kinds of people? Your OTT sarcasm doesn't really do you justice - Sponge did not say that Coyle is ace, let alone "fooking ace". Maybe you and he are simply different - life's like that - some people look for the best in what life throws at them and resists categorising it as all great or all cancerous - some people wallow in the bad and love to pick over the foetid bones, and then beat everyone who has a different perspective with those foetid bones.

Neither is right or wrong - they are, perhaps, just different personality types. Personally, I respond much better to people who can take a smack in the face or a blow to their hopes and dreams - and continue to find a source of hope/joy - even if it is only in gallows-humour.

Clearly that's not the kind of person you wish to present yourself as on this forum - and that's fine.. but I doubt you'll get very far changing Sponge's mind with this kind of OTT reactionary post that really does you no justice.

See youre trying to paint that ive always been the doom mongering misery again Bish. But you know that's not true, don't you? I'm miserable because I dont think the current manager has a clue. I'm not trying to paint myself anyway. If I wanted to do that I could have joined in with the stuff against the last bloke, which would have been easier.

[Hoboh]

Aye he's fooking ace. Jesus christ. He's taking us down and you want to argue the toss over free transfers. Petrov has been good for what, the last ten fifteen games? Before that a massive waste of a wage. Nobody is denying NRC and Holden were good signings. But I was highlighting how poorly he has SPENT money.

There isn't a defence for him. The last bloke took a LOT worse consistently from folk on here despite not taking us down or even as close to being down as we are now.

Managers are ultimately judged by results. I'd say that's far more 'common sense' than owe you've spouted.

here's an idea - maybe you and Sponge are just different kinds of people? Your OTT sarcasm doesn't really do you justice - Sponge did not say that Coyle is ace, let alone "fooking ace". Maybe you and he are simply different - life's like that - some people look for the best in what life throws at them and resists categorising it as all great or all cancerous - some people wallow in the bad and love to pick over the foetid bones, and then beat everyone who has a different perspective with those foetid bones.

Neither is right or wrong - they are, perhaps, just different personality types. Personally, I respond much better to people who can take a smack in the face or a blow to their hopes and dreams - and continue to find a source of hope/joy - even if it is only in gallows-humour.

Clearly that's not the kind of person you wish to present yourself as on this forum - and that's fine.. but I doubt you'll get very far changing Sponge's mind with this kind of OTT reactionary post that really does you no justice.

Then why do you respond to my posts?

[jaffka]

Aye he's fooking ace. Jesus christ. He's taking us down and you want to argue the toss over free transfers. Petrov has been good for what, the last ten fifteen games? Before that a massive waste of a wage. Nobody is denying NRC and Holden were good signings. But I was highlighting how poorly he has SPENT money.

There isn't a defence for him. The last bloke took a LOT worse consistently from folk on here despite not taking us down or even as close to being down as we are now.

Managers are ultimately judged by results. I'd say that's far more 'common sense' than owe you've spouted.

here's an idea - maybe you and Sponge are just different kinds of people? Your OTT sarcasm doesn't really do you justice - Sponge did not say that Coyle is ace, let alone "fooking ace". Maybe you and he are simply different - life's like that - some people look for the best in what life throws at them and resists categorising it as all great or all cancerous - some people wallow in the bad and love to pick over the foetid bones, and then beat everyone who has a different perspective with those foetid bones.

Neither is right or wrong - they are, perhaps, just different personality types. Personally, I respond much better to people who can take a smack in the face or a blow to their hopes and dreams - and continue to find a source of hope/joy - even if it is only in gallows-humour.

Clearly that's not the kind of person you wish to present yourself as on this forum - and that's fine.. but I doubt you'll get very far changing Sponge's mind with this kind of OTT reactionary post that really does you no justice.

See youre trying to paint that ive always been the doom mongering misery again Bish. But you know that's not true, don't you? I'm miserable because I dont think the current manager has a clue. I'm not trying to paint myself anyway. If I wanted to do that I could have joined in with the stuff against the last bloke, which would have been easier.

Then the intent and effect of your posts then are totally polar of what you expect. You do come across as a whinging doom mongerer, evidenced by the amount of polls and threads you post.

[newboy]

Would have preferred it to have been Stuey making his comeback against West Brom than Chungy

[Mar]

Would have preferred it to have been Stuey making his comeback against West Brom than Chungy

I would prefer Chungy. But from Chungy's outing you could see he was clearly rusty. Hopefully he'll be back in stride on Sunday and that would've just been to get it out of his system.

[Worthy4England]

Let's be honest with ourselves. The past 3 or 4 seasons we've stayed up by the skin of our teeth. Without Sturridge last year we'd have gone down. To lose 2 of our most important players and have others shackled by injuries, it was always going to be hard, if not impossible.

Yes, the manager is tactically naieve at times, but we are where we are because we aren't good enough, haven't got enough money to buy improvement and will struggle to compete for many years to come. I'm looking forward to Burnley next year already. When it comes to it, so will all of you.

Can't argue with that. When you put it into perspective, we must have spent on average about £3m per player in the side when you look at sides around us (QPR) throwing money at players, Villa spending £24m on Bent and only being 3 points above us and Stoke spending £20m on strikers.... hell, even Wolves spent £13m on theirs and players like Stephen Hunt and Roger Johnson weren't cheap and look where they are.

You get what you pay for. We've been the exception to that for some time and now it's finally hit us.

I can.

We needed ten points from about 14 games when Sturridge joined us, to stay up. I don't believe we'd have gone down without him. We had 30 points from 24 when he joined us, and actually managed a further 16 from our remaining 14 games. We also shunted our top scorer into the midfield to accommodate him.

Another remarkable decision bought to you by Commander Clueless.

[Harry Genshaw]

But I'd like to point out to people of the Sammy Lee persuasion, that unrelenting positivity (to the extent you can argue a draw against WBA is better than a win) means you don't bail out of a sinking ship - HMS Owen Coyle - when you still have a chance, but instead get sucked into the vortex and drown.

Nor, unless you believe very strongly in various Buddhist concepts, will any negativity expressed on a forum materially affect the performance or standing of the club as a whole. It's usually just in the interest of talking about football.

The 1st paragraph for me represents the best analogy I've seen on here. Ever

As for the 2nd paragraph - hoorah. I've no problem that some folk on here want to keep Coyle and some want him out. Makes feck all difference to our chances of stopping up.

[thebish]

See youre trying to paint that ive always been the doom mongering misery again Bish.

no - see, I didn't say that at all. I am just musing at the different ways you and (say, Sponge) have of reacting to adversity. I'm very sure that in happy times your a jolly happy bunny - so not always a doom mongering misery, I didn't paint you as that at all.

I think it's interesting to see how different people react - and I suspect it is down to personality type (rather than being right or wrong about football or being a proper or not-proper fan in some sense.)

[Whookam]

And it was Meggo who signed Klasnic.

Megson signed him on loan. Coyle signed him on a proper contract in August 2010.

Hangover's killing me.

Yep, making him a Gary Megson signing.

[BWFC_Insane]

See youre trying to paint that ive always been the doom mongering misery again Bish.

no - see, I didn't say that at all. I am just musing at the different ways you and (say, Sponge) have of reacting to adversity. I'm very sure that in happy times your a jolly happy bunny - so not always a doom mongering misery, I didn't paint you as that at all.

I think it's interesting to see how different people react - and I suspect it is down to personality type (rather than being right or wrong about football or being a proper or not-proper fan in some sense.)

How did I react under the last manager though? I don't doubt that I'm pessimistic about our chances however, you also have to understand that I believe that if you vocalise that you think you're going to win you've jinxed it.......