Now he's gone, who's next?

[danardif1]

My dad says he wouldn't say no to Phil Brown as manager

Wouldn't mind him back at the club, but perhaps not as manager...

[officer_dibble]

Double post

[danardif1]

Whys julian darby taking training? Links with Billy Davies?

Or just helping out his home club like the others...

[Salford Trotter]

Just had a 1st teamer round and they're as much in the dark about the new manager as we are

[no_sleep]

OGS odds down to just 2:1 on skybet.

[Sponge]

Just had a 1st teamer round and they're as much in the dark about the new manager as we are

Ooh, get you! A first teamer! Did you get any gossip on the players' opnions of Coyle? On the general atmosphere?

[Salford Trotter]

Just had a 1st teamer round and they're as much in the dark about the new manager as we are

Ooh, get you! A first teamer! Did you get any gossip on the players' opnions of Coyle? On the general atmosphere?

He hadn't lost the dressing room as many thought he had but the results just weren't coming so he had to go. He said that some of the team would be happy with a SL/JP combo for the next couple of games

[Wandering Willy]

Just had a 1st teamer round and they're as much in the dark about the new manager as we are

Ooh, get you! A first teamer! Did you get any gossip on the players' opnions of Coyle? On the general atmosphere?

He hadn't lost the dressing room as many thought he had but the results just weren't coming so he had to go. He said that some of the team would be happy with a SL/JP combo for the next couple of games

Aye - the ones who wouldn't get a game under a real manager. Or be captain.

[Salford Trotter]

Just had a 1st teamer round and they're as much in the dark about the new manager as we are

Ooh, get you! A first teamer! Did you get any gossip on the players' opnions of Coyle? On the general atmosphere?

He hadn't lost the dressing room as many thought he had but the results just weren't coming so he had to go. He said that some of the team would be happy with a SL/JP combo for the next couple of games

Aye - the ones who wouldn't get a game under a real manager. Or be captain.

maybe so...no surprise that the fat kit man has gone too

[danardif1]

Just had a 1st teamer round and they're as much in the dark about the new manager as we are

Ooh, get you! A first teamer! Did you get any gossip on the players' opnions of Coyle? On the general atmosphere?

He hadn't lost the dressing room as many thought he had but the results just weren't coming so he had to go. He said that some of the team would be happy with a SL/JP combo for the next couple of games

Aye - the ones who wouldn't get a game under a real manager. Or be captain.

Well I think Petrov, Sordell and others might be happy that they'll a chance to prove Coyle wrong rather than being benched to the likes of friggin' Afobe...

[Wandering Willy]

We may be on the same wavelength briefly.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I've done a little asking about Paolo di Canio. I know a few Swindon fans, and the club has in the past had some dealings with us. And the sense I'm very strongly getting is that we should stay away. Nothing to do with Di Canio's political beliefs (if they exist): just his man-management and the general carnage that surrounds it.

"Everything goes through the media," says one source. "It terrifies the club." Most fans ended up backing him in the argument with goalkeeper Wes Foderingham but fear that it may have emboldened him to do more of the same: public humiliation, trial by media.

And it's not just his underlings: after the tribunal fee triggered an FFP-enforced transfer embargo, PdC couldn't wait to tell the media how the board needed to sort this out and needed to back him financially if they want another promotion – something Swindon fans could barely believe given the amount they've paid in transfers and (notably) agent fees and the subsequent strength of their squad: "He's got two or three good players for every position except goalkeeper, which is his own fault."

There is disquiet that his confrontational methods, which have worked so far, will get less respect as he moves (or they move) up the divisions. Some of the newer players brought in from Championship level have found themselves "in and out of the team" after quietly enquiring why Swindon were doing double training as a matter of course rather than necessity. Of course, after the allegedly lax regime Bolton have had, the idea of a confrontational manager who has them in all day might sound like sweet music to the ears of disenchanted Wanderers, but I would worry that Di Canio might go too far in the other direction, too soon.

You simply don't get the impression he picks his fights or keeps things in-house, as a certain purple-faced septuagenarian down the road tends to do. I dislike stereotypes but evidence suggests that Di Canio's a hot-head - not because he's Italian or Roman, but he just is. And I that his personality type simply won't work higher up the league, or at least won't work for long and won't work for all players. Ostracising a lower-league player costs a lot less than sidelining someone like, for instance, Martin Petrov. One word used to describe him was "bully". Players who've been around a bit tend not to react well to that sort of thing: they just mark time and sit out their contracts, contrary to the system set up by Eddie Davies and Phil Gartside (and willingly signed up to by Owen Coyle).

The Swindon folks I spoke to suspect "it will all end badly" - whether in "financial meltdown" or him walking out, either for a better job or if it all goes wrong. They think he'd be interested in the job and whispers have already started to that effect, although that could well be the media looking to hoist an entertaining manager closer to the spotlight.

I'm glad Paolo di Canio exists, but I'm glad he doesn't manage my club. Not because of any suspect politics, but because of suspect management: I fear he may in time turn out to be an overspending autodidact media whore who thinks himself better than any club he's at. So no thanks.

Thanks for that, DSB. An interesting piece in its own right.

As it is, it doesn't really put me off.

The Foderingham incident is an interesting case study and I still say the thing I find most important is that the player reacted well to it in his form following that game. I don't think there's any other evidence that he deals with individual players in a 'public' way. The Foderingham incident had to be public because the decision he took was that he needed to withdraw him from a game. And lots of managers appeal to their boards via the press. I don't think PdC is exceptional in this regard.

I admit it - a lot of his confrontational, hard methods actually appeal to me. I'm fed up of gormless, simple, 'nice guys' like Sammy Lee and Owen Coyle. I would like to see a Bolton team train harder than any other in the league, within the bounds of what sports science has to say about fatigue, of course.

The way I see it, the situation with managers is a bit like the situation with players. Our pull is limited, moreso now than at any time in the past decade. In the same way that we have taken risks with players in a bid to get beyond the ordinary, such as taking on Diouf's baggage to get to a player with the ability to be African player of the year, I would be for us taking a calculated risk on a manager. I accept that hiring a manager to be in overall charge is a more important step than taking on one member of playing staff, but I am so desperate to get beyond the same old uninspiring merry go round of faces that I am willing to countenance the risk with someone like Di Canio, who I appreciate has some imperfections and learning to do.

Presumably, this is the reason I am also open to the possibility of giving OGS a go despite the fact that I can't remember ever having heard him speak!

[bobo the clown]

I think DSB (& thanks for that, by the way) has put a goodly amount of meat on my instinct that De Canio creates a circus around himself. That, frankly, we don't need.

I have no problem with him being a hard man, or a bit dictatorial. The bllx about his political opinions is just that ... reactionary & head-lining. But we don't need a fiasco.

Soory mummy, but " I'm out" !

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I think DSB (& thanks for that, by the way) has put a goodly amount of meat on my instinct that De Canio creates a circus around himself.

I'm going to have to ask for some order here - DSB has written in an interesting way about the 'sense' he gets, but there isn't much hard fact in there!

The two hard examples of this supposed 'circus' are the Foderingham substitution (as I say, necessarily public given that he wanted to withdraw him from the field of play in a match) and the appeal to the board for more support (very commonplace, as I said).

Imagine having "two or three good players" for every outfield position! One in most would do...

[bobo the clown]

I think DSB (& thanks for that, by the way) has put a goodly amount of meat on my instinct that De Canio creates a circus around himself.

I'm going to have to ask for some order here - DSB has written in an interesting way about the 'sense' he gets, but there isn't much hard fact in there!

The two hard examples of this supposed 'circus' are the Foderingham substitution (as I say, necessarily public given that he wanted to withdraw him from the field of play in a match) and the appeal to the board for more support (very commonplace, as I said).

I was merely pointing out that my one-liner about the foo-fah which comes with him seemed to be correct from the better supported info. from DSB.

I wasn't proposing it for a doctorate.

[officer_dibble]

Salford/davidlee (;-)) - any insight into coyles tactics or owt now said unnamed player could doubtless be more open?

What Im angling for is hope that a more tacticaly astute manager could get more out of this bunch; and that its not just coyle signing shit.

Fat kitmans gone...how unusul to take your kitman with you....it was his BIL though i guess

[Salford Trotter]

Salford/davidlee (;-)) - any insight into coyles tactics or owt now said unnamed player could doubtless be more open?

What Im angling for is hope that a more tacticaly astute manager could get more out of this bunch; and that its not just coyle signing shit.

Fat kitmans gone...how unusul to take your kitman with you....it was his BIL though i guess

I think it's obvious for all to see that OC's tactics were not working and there was nothing the player said that suggested that Coyle was right to persist. One thing was absolutely clear, that Coyle was popular in the dressing room amongst the majority of players however others deemed the situation couldn't continue as it was.
thanks, David

[BWFC_Insane]

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wol ... job-talks/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

McCarthy coming for talks according to this.

I'd not be unhappy. It would not be exciting, but his honest approach might be what we need after the last few years of bullshit.

[Lord Kangana]

As long as we lose honestly there'll be no need to call him a cancer on the club?

[Beefheart]

I'd be really disappointed with McCarthy personally. He might seem the man to sort out our defense because he's old fashioned and has an accent, but Wolves defensive record with him in charge was pretty woeful. Plus, he'd definitely keep SKD in the team.