Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sat May 27, 2023 11:26 am

Tyler Smith would be interesting, as he's not necessarily the type I thought would arrive after Evatt's comments about signing players who physically look more like Premier League players.

He can run in behind a bit, use both feet, get at a defender, etc; but he's less physical than Charles and certainly doesn't look like the Vik, Nlundulu "brick wall who can still run" sort.

I'm really interested to see what type of player Evatt means when he says the money will enable him to sign players who can play his sort of football.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Worthy4England » Sat May 27, 2023 11:33 am

Yeah mate. A good spot. I still think Evatt has 3/4 strikers and probably one free slot up front. I'm sure if "the deal too good to refuse" came along then he'd go for it and I think he'll add one, I'd probably be a little surprised if it was this one...

Ali Da played in the Premiership...jsl :-)

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sat May 27, 2023 7:58 pm

Luton proving what can be done on minimal resources.

Brilliant stuff.

9 years from non-league to Prem.

To win that despite having Lockyer collapse on the pitch. Amazing.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat May 27, 2023 9:25 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sat May 27, 2023 7:58 pm
Luton proving what can be done on minimal resources.

Brilliant stuff.

9 years from non-league to Prem.

To win that despite having Lockyer collapse on the pitch. Amazing.
Rare occasion where a penalty shoot out produces the deserving winners. How Luton didn’t win that three times over in normal time is beyond me. Coventry were rubbish.

Amazing Luton story but the thing is they aren’t trying to outfootball anyone. It is I think easier to do what they do on limited resources than what Evatt wants to do. As Coventry demonstrated today…

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sat May 27, 2023 9:56 pm

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Sat May 27, 2023 9:25 pm
Rare occasion where a penalty shoot out produces the deserving winners. How Luton didn’t win that three times over in normal time is beyond me. Coventry were rubbish.

Amazing Luton story but the thing is they aren’t trying to outfootball anyone. It is I think easier to do what they do on limited resources than what Evatt wants to do. As Coventry demonstrated today…
Na. Coventry have been a basket case off the pitch and were promoted a season after. What it actually shows is that you can play that way and win against all odds.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat May 27, 2023 11:13 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sat May 27, 2023 9:56 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat May 27, 2023 9:25 pm
Rare occasion where a penalty shoot out produces the deserving winners. How Luton didn’t win that three times over in normal time is beyond me. Coventry were rubbish.

Amazing Luton story but the thing is they aren’t trying to outfootball anyone. It is I think easier to do what they do on limited resources than what Evatt wants to do. As Coventry demonstrated today…
Na. Coventry have been a basket case off the pitch and were promoted a season after. What it actually shows is that you can play that way and win against all odds.
Today was reminiscent of us against Watford. Coventry wanted to play but Luton were just too good at stopping them. Same with us against Barnsley.

Or Big Sams side against Preston. Ultimately I do think the more you want to play the better relative to your opponents you need to be.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sat May 27, 2023 11:46 pm

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Ultimately I do think the more you want to play the better relative to your opponents you need to be.
Oh, if that's what you mean I 100% agree. I just think the style of football Evatt is working to produce here makes teams better relative to opponents. Especially in a basketcase league like the Championship where teams tend to be all over the show in terms of coaching consistency.

You have to have the right coaches and the right core of players, but when this kind of technical coaching gets going the results speak for themselves at all levels.

I don't really think it's as much about budget as it is about time (money obviously really, really helps). What Evatt wants to do takes more time than (for example) what Dyche does. In the short term it's harder to get points, but over time it overtakes more simplified coaching and has a much higher ceiling (to use one of those football buzzwords that isn't really a buzzword).

Evatt's had three seasons here now and we're seeing returns. The first two seasons were rescued by January recruitment, but this last one I think we'd all say wasn't and we got the play-offs and a cup.

With the players we have retained (or hope to) I think we now have that core that's both good enough to compete and can transmit club identity to the next lot of recruits (who are hopefully a level above in terms of talent).

I've said before that football is about a balance between time and money. Next season we'll be at the point where Evatt has had the time to get a settled squad, impose his ideas etc...we may also have some more money to improve the raw quality a bit more quickly.

I'll reserve judgement a bit until I see who we get in, but my feeling generally is that we *should* be able to put together a squad that will go up and then form the nucleus of a Championship squad that can do something at that level.

Previously I thought we'd be able to go up, but we'd probably rely on more short term fixes to some issues and we'd have to do more of a rebuild right away in the Championship. I'm certain of nothing right now, but I'm hopeful the lads we add this window can be of a level to impress a league up.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by The_Gun » Sun May 28, 2023 8:06 am

Nixon seems to be suggesting that Sheehan has contract offers from ourselves and Exeter.

I’d like to see him back, but he’s not one to break the bank for.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun May 28, 2023 9:06 am

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Sun May 28, 2023 8:06 am
Nixon seems to be suggesting that Sheehan has contract offers from ourselves and Exeter.

I’d like to see him back, but he’s not one to break the bank for.
This. Given we are reported to have a bigger budget I think it wouldn’t be disastrous if he moved on.

He’s definitely not going to be a championship player and I think is too physically limited.

Need a more imposing option for me if it’s possible.

If he stays then I don’t think it’s disastrous either.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by The_Gun » Sun May 28, 2023 9:12 am

If Exeter are offering better wages/additional years then he probably goes. He’d be a starter there, they’re a good club that will likely be at least mid table, and it’s a bit closer to where he comes from.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Worthy4England » Sun May 28, 2023 9:14 am

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Sun May 28, 2023 8:06 am
Nixon seems to be suggesting that Sheehan has contract offers from ourselves and Exeter.

I’d like to see him back, but he’s not one to break the bank for.
Yup. We've offered what we think he's worth to us. So stick. In what became our starting three of Demps, Morley and Sheehan, they all feel like "not a lot between them" in terms of game impact...and I think most would like the MF to improve some...

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun May 28, 2023 10:19 am

The_Gun wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 8:06 am
Nixon seems to be suggesting that Sheehan has contract offers from ourselves and Exeter.

I’d like to see him back, but he’s not one to break the bank for.
Wouldn't surprise me. If they are losing Archie Collins then Sheehan is the most obvious replacement.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun May 28, 2023 11:41 am

Been a busy week at work (the cheek of it!) so I'm just catching up on released/retained lists.

BIRMINGHAM
Released first-teamers: Maxime Colin, Harlee Dean, Troy Deeney, George Friend, Jordan Graham and Kevin Long. Talks remain ongoing with a number of released players.

A further seven young professionals have been released: Alfie Brooks, Lewis Cunningham, Adan George, Mitchell Roberts, Keyendrah Simmonds, Ryan Stirk and Remi Walker.

Exiting loanees: Krystian Bielik, Hannibal, Reda Khadra, Dion Sanderson, Auston Trusty.

The following players all remain under contract:
Juninho Bacuna, Oliver Basey, Jobe Bellingham, Rico Browne, Tate Campbell, Alfie Chang, Tahith Chong, Tommy Fogarty, Sam Cosgrove, Neil Etheridge, Gary Gardner, Nico Gordon, George Hall, Scott Hogan, Jordan James, Zach Jeacock, Lukas Jutkiewicz, Brandon Khela, Emmanuel Longelo, Marcel Oakley, Marc Roberts, John Ruddy, Ivan Sunjic, Finley Thorndike, Kieran Wakefield.

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BRISTOL CITY
Released: Nathan Baker, Jay Dasilva, Taylor Moore and James Morton. Discussions with Tomas Kalas and Andy King are ongoing while a contract has been offered to Han-Noah Massengo.

In addition, Will Buse, Prince Henry, Josh Owers, Joe Porton and James Taylor have also been released.

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BURNLEY
Released: Matt Lowton, Will Norris (GK who was on loan to Posh Jan-May), GK Lukas Jensen.
Academy releasees: U21s Frankie Deane, Joe McGlynn, Ayodeji Sotona, Lewis Thomas, Seb Thompson, Ne-Jai Tucker, Jacson Coppack, Keelan Williams, Jacob Hamilton, Dane McCullough, Kade Ratchford and U18s Nathan James, Trevon Bryan and Tosin Olopade.

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MIDDLESBROUGH
Released: Luke Daniels, Darnell Fisher, Grant Hall, Joe 'Anna' Lumley, Isiah Cornet, Joe Ridley, Oliver Swan and Alfie Doherty, along with scholars Louie Evans, Ash MacCarthy, and Tylah Wallace-Ming.

Contract extensions offered: Jeremy Sivi and Isaac Fletcher

Exiting loanees: Cameron Archer, Ryan Giles, Alex Mowatt, Rodrigo Muniz, Aaron Ramsey and Zack Steffen.

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SUNDERLAND

Out Of Contract and Released: Harrison Bond, Jacob Carney, Cameron Jessup, Ethan Kachosa, Nathan Newall, Owen Robinson, Thomas Scott, Harrison Sohna, Carl Winchester

In discussions regarding signing a new contract: Harry Gardiner, Michael Spellman

Exiting loanees: Amad Diallo, Joseph Gelhardt, Edouard Michut

Youth Players Offered Professional Contracts: Oliver Bainbridge, Marshall Burke, Henry Fieldson, Harrison Jones, Ben Middlemas, Ethan Moore, Joseph Ryder

Second-Year Scholars Released At The End Of Their Scholarship: Will Cain, William Dowling, Louie Salkeld, Ben Williams

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WIGAN
Out of contract and leaving the club: Joe Bennett, Steven Caulker, Jordan Cousins, Tendayi Darikwa, Gwion Edwards, Ryan Nyambe

Discussions ongoing in relation to an extended registration: Jamie Jones, Max Power

Exiting loanees: Miguel Azeez, Ashley Fletcher, Martin Kelly, Omar Rekik, Danel Sinani, Christ Tiéhi

Contracted players for 2023/2024: Ben Amos, Thelo Aasgaard, Charlie Hughes, Stephen Humphrys, Jordan Jones, Will Keane, Jason Kerr, Callum Lang, Josh Magennis, James McClean, Jamie McGrath, Tom Naylor, Tom Pearce, Luke Robinson, Anthony Scully, Graeme Shinnie, Curtis Tilt, Jack Whatmough, Charlie Wyke

UNDER 21s
Contracted players for 2023/2024: Baba Adeeko, James Carragher, Matthew Corran, Harry McHugh, Kai Payne, Jack Reilly, Scott Smith, Josh Stones, Chris Sze, Sam Tickle, Matthew Wonnacott

Option year triggered: Joe Adams, Luke Brennan, Youssef Chentouf, Ethan Mitchell, Joe Rodwell-Grant, Abdi Sharif, Tom Watson
New contracts offered: Dylan Dwyer, Kieran Lloyd

Out of contract and leaving the club: Darrin Enahoro–Marcus, Owen Mooney (pray for him)

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According to my instruments, from the middle two divisions that just leaves Cardiff, Sheff U and Watford plus play-off finalists Coventry, Luton <sniffs air for scent of Kioso>, Barnsley and Sheff Wed

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun May 28, 2023 12:10 pm

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Luton <sniffs air for scent of Kioso>
If Luton still smells of Kioso the kid needs a bath. He's been at Rotherham for a year.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Worthy4England » Sun May 28, 2023 12:18 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 12:10 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:41 am
Luton <sniffs air for scent of Kioso>
If Luton still smells of Kioso the kid needs a bath. He's been at Rotherham for a year.
And is on their retained list. ;-)

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun May 28, 2023 12:58 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 12:18 pm
GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 12:10 pm
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 11:41 am
Luton <sniffs air for scent of Kioso>
If Luton still smells of Kioso the kid needs a bath. He's been at Rotherham for a year.
And is on their retained list. ;-)
Bugger.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun May 28, 2023 1:35 pm

Kioso is the type of Championship player we might be able to target.

When you look at what Wigan were paying players to try and stay up (20k a week to Nyambe, over £1m on fees and wages to loan Sinani for 6 months, etc) you can see what established Championship players get paid. They were already massively outspending us before they went up, because their model was based on experienced lads on good money.

Lads who have gone up to that level and flopped are probably affordable. That's Randell Williams sort of territory.

Last season I was hoping Dom Ball might be short on offers and become affordable for us. He ended up on 15k a week at Ipswich.

If our increased budget goes on higher wages for Championship players you risk having a squad of haves and have nots. You're also probably tied into expensive contracts for longer than that glut of cash will last.

I doubt we're looking to break the wage structure. If we are, we need a rethink.

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by TANGODANCER » Sun May 28, 2023 1:55 pm

Getting near the time our Scouts, waggled their woggles and came up with some options. Silence isn't always golden. Name names fellas, even if we've never heard of half of them. :oyea:
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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Worthy4England » Sun May 28, 2023 2:23 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
Sun May 28, 2023 1:55 pm
Getting near the time our Scouts, waggled their woggles and came up with some options. Silence isn't always golden. Name names fellas, even if we've never heard of half of them. :oyea:
Don't think the window actually opens until 14th June TD...

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Re: Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

Post by jmjhb » Sun May 28, 2023 2:34 pm

I'm rioting if we don't have 5 in by the 15th

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